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jeanpierre 09-21-2018 12:23 AM

Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 

jeanpierre 09-21-2018 12:24 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
BY JOEL A. ERICKSON | JERICKSON@THEADVOCATE.COM SEP 20, 2018 - 9:53 AM

New Orleans believed in Cameron Meredith this offseason, and he's had to wait two games before he could start rewarding the Saints' faith.

Meredith might get his chance this week.

After being declared inactive for the first two games due to a lack of time on the practice field, Meredith has been getting time with the first team this week, and it might be time to let him loose.

"This will be a week we'll look to see how he progresses and see if we can get him into this plan,' Saints head coach Sean Payton said.

Meredith has spent the first two weeks watching from the sidelines.

After signing a two-year, $9.4 million deal to leave Chicago, Meredith wanted to be on the field right away.

"It's always tough, especially when you feel like you should be out there helping your team," Meredith said. "Going into this game, I'm just focusing on the details, focusing on being productive. It's good to go out there and get some more reps with the first team."

Meredith made two big plays in the final preseason game, a sign that he's fully recovered from the torn ACL he suffered in his final year with Chicago.

But he was held out of enough practices leading up to that game that Meredith didn't have time to absorb the nuances of the offense.

"In training camp, I didn't have a chance to get as many reps as I wanted and get on the same page as Drew," Meredith said. "Now that we've had a couple of weeks during the season, putting in more time in practice together, I've gotten those reps this week."

And New Orleans might finally get a chance to test out its new toy.

AsylumGuido 09-21-2018 07:03 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Wait! I was told he was supposed to miss at least the first quarter of the season from someone here! This must be wrong, right?

turbo_dog 09-21-2018 08:47 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
The article's tone sounds as if Payton didn't think Mer was mentally prepared.
That seems unusual for someone who had and entire offseason to learn. Let's get him in there and see what he can do!

The Dude 09-21-2018 10:47 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 813812)
The article's tone sounds as if Payton didn't think Mer was mentally prepared.
That seems unusual for someone who had and entire offseason to learn. Let's get him in there and see what he can do!

Like I said “lack of time” B.S. he’s supposedly been healthy for a month now. He’s a vet. It shouldn’t take him this long to get in gear.

leilung 09-21-2018 12:08 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Where is he supposed to play? We need help in the slot, big time.

K Major 09-21-2018 12:33 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 813825)
Like I said “lack of time” B.S. he’s supposedly been healthy for a month now. He’s a vet. It shouldn’t take him this long to get in gear.

Have any idea of how the timing is with Brees /Meredith at practice because I sure don't. He didn't get a lot of looks with the 1st team at t/c. Reps, timing, rhythm @ practice is paramount in a Sean Payton style of offense.

This is only week 3. As fans, all we see is the finished product on Sundays.

spkb25 09-21-2018 12:45 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 813829)
Where is he supposed to play? We need help in the slot, big time.

Think they're giving him a try at middle linebacker

Beastmode 09-21-2018 01:07 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
I could see Brees lodging one in his helmet but only in garbage time so unlikely this game.

Rugby Saint II 09-21-2018 01:15 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Maybe.....just maybe he had a set back and hasn't had time to get on the same page as Drew.

saintfan 09-21-2018 02:16 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 813832)
Think they're giving him a try at middle linebacker

:banana:

AsylumGuido 09-21-2018 02:24 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 813833)
I could see Brees lodging one in his helmet but only in garbage time so unlikely this game.

Where do you keep coming up with this garbage time crap? Can you get me into the coaches' meetings with you? That would be so cool.

AsylumGuido 09-21-2018 02:29 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 813837)
Maybe.....just maybe he had a set back and hasn't had time to get on the same page as Drew.

He didn't get practice reps until around the third week of preseason and then that was with the second string. They're saying he really didn't get a chance to get first string reps and actually work with Brees fully in 7 on 7's and 11 on 11's until this past week. That's where you get your timing down. As soon as he sees the field (sounds like this weekend) I expect him to get his share of looks.

K Major 09-21-2018 02:48 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 813853)
Where do you keep coming up with this garbage time crap?

I'm not getting that either :confused:

Maybe he's still locked in on how bad Chicago's offense (trash maybe) was while Meredith was having back ups & tier 2 type QB's throwing him the ball?

st thomas 09-21-2018 03:19 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 813812)
The article's tone sounds as if Payton didn't think Mer was mentally prepared.
That seems unusual for someone who had and entire offseason to learn. Let's get him in there and see what he can do!



Let’s check them high school grades of his may tell us real story

AsylumGuido 09-21-2018 03:41 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 813812)
The article's tone sounds as if Payton didn't think Mer was mentally prepared.
That seems unusual for someone who had and entire offseason to learn. Let's get him in there and see what he can do!

I don't quite get that read. The article's writer wrote something about the limited practice time hadn't given him the chance to pick up on all of the nuances of the offense. It sounds to me more physical and timing related. I would imagine it would take many repetitions in Payton's offense to be able to change offensive assignments based upon defensive alignments and to be on the same page as Brees on those calls. And then also have the timing down on all of those variations. From everything I have studied about Payton's offense, a given WR can have as many as three different routes on one base play and the defense would dictate which route is to be run. The timing is different, of course, on each different route. He needs to be on the same page as Brees since Brees is reading the same thing and anticipating where the WR is supposed to be at a certain count. This isn't something that can be accomplished in whiteboard sessions alone.

Meredith was about two weeks behind the other WR's in on field practice with Brees. This is basically Meredith's week one after four weeks of his version of preseason.

AsylumGuido 09-21-2018 03:47 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 813871)
Let’s check them high school grades of his may tell us real story

Illinois State Athletics - Cameron Meredith

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St. Joseph's HS: Three-year letterwinner ... passed for 2,000 yards and rushed for over 400 yards as a senior ... threw 12 touchdown passes and ran in seven more ... threw for a career-high 318 yards and three touchdowns against Benet Academy ... also recorded seven interceptions on defense ... named an all-area and all-conference selection ... passed for 1,250 yards and 10 touchdowns as a junior, while running for over 100 yards and scoring two TD's on the ground ... named an all-area selection as a junior and was honorable mention as a sophomore, with over 700 passing yards and five touchdowns ... prep teammate of fellow Redbird Anthony Boddy ... coached by Mark Zaragnin ... also played baseball for one year and lettered as a senior in basketball for legendary head coach Gene Pingatore.

Personal: Born September 21, 1992, in Berwyn, Ill. ... son of Lonnie and Tonjua Meredith ... named to the honor roll every semester of senior year ... plans to major in sport management.
The real story is that Cameron Meredith was an honor roll student while lettering at QB for three years in high school.

K Major 09-21-2018 03:55 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Recent sound byte from Cameron. Key words he uses on returning to form ... "rhythm, practice, reps with the 1st team, timing".


AsylumGuido 09-21-2018 06:15 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 813885)
Recent sound byte from Cameron. Key words he uses on returning to form ... "rhythm, practice, reps with the 1st team, timing".

Cameron Meredith | Week 3 Post-Practice | "My main focus is preparing for the Falcons" - YouTube

Hmmm. Sounds pretty much what I was expressing. ;)

rezburna 09-21-2018 08:13 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Adrian Peterson has people spoiled when it comes to coming back from ACL tears. At least let him get healthy and play before you write him off.

The Dude 09-21-2018 10:44 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 813931)
Adrian Peterson has people spoiled when it comes to coming back from ACL tears. At least let him get healthy and play before you write him off.

I don’t think anyone expected him to be ready. A lot of people didn’t like the signing because they thought he would take longer to heal. That being Saturday said Payton said he was ready physically a month or so ago. Either Payton lied or he just isn’t catching on. A vet should be able able to step in pretty quickly if they are as good as MerIdeth was made out to be.

Beastmode 09-22-2018 12:23 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
91% of the receptions will continue to go to the same players. That leaves everyone else with next to nothing. When Ingram returns it will only get worse for CM and Tre'Quan.

Only way would be injury related or if Peyton starts tinkering with something that is not broken which he won't. Brees does not have to spread the ball around as much having the best two players in the NFL right now. He never had that before so things look different.

Another thing, when MI returns and we get our run game online again forget about WR 3 and 4. They become next to invisible at that point.

Beastmode 09-22-2018 01:47 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Brees is completing 81% of his passes which is insane. Introducing another target right now is not needed.

AsylumGuido 09-22-2018 07:16 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 813943)
I don’t think anyone expected him to be ready. A lot of people didn’t like the signing because they thought he would take longer to heal. That being Saturday said Payton said he was ready physically a month or so ago. Either Payton lied or he just isn’t catching on. A vet should be able able to step in pretty quickly if they are as good as MerIdeth was made out to be.

No, that jives exactly with the timeline I gave. One month ago Meredith was given the okay to be full go. That's when he started working out with the second string ... week three of the preseason. Until this past week, according to Payton, he hadn't gotten all of the nuances of the offense down yet, much like the others stood weeks ago. Apparantly this past week they determined he was caught up enough to move up to the first string and start getting on the same page with Brees.

AsylumGuido 09-22-2018 07:21 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 813949)
Brees is completing 81% of his passes which is insane. Introducing another target right now is not needed.

You can't play winning football throwing to only two targets.

Beastmode 09-22-2018 08:45 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 813955)
You can't play winning football throwing to only two targets.


It's actually 4 targets but those are seesawed more. That will continue if Brees keeps completing 81% of his passes which is stupid. Nothing is saying he can't keep doing that right now. Browns have a good D and they could not do it.

WillMacKenzie 09-22-2018 09:39 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
As long as they don’t make it obvious that they’re looking to force feed him the ball.

Defenses will quickly begin to recognize what you’re up to.

Doubt Sean would do that though, he can be pretty tricky.

The Dude 09-22-2018 10:51 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 813955)
You can't play winning football throwing to only two targets.

This I agree with. We are going to need someone to step up be it Smith, Carr, or Meridith. I have about given up on the running game. Until Ingram gets back we are just going to have to Air it out and use Kamara. Either our two best players are going to get hurt or defenses will find a way to stop them if we don’t.
What’s Coleman doing these days? I’m sure his blocking alone wouldn’t hurt.

The Dude 09-22-2018 10:52 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 813958)
As long as they don’t make it obvious that they’re looking to force feed him the ball.

Defenses will quickly begin to recognize what you’re up to.

Doubt Sean would do that though, he can be pretty tricky.

He can also be pretty damn hard headed.

ChrisXVI 09-22-2018 11:22 AM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Have people forgotten that our offense was at it’s best when Brees had 8 or 9 different people catching passes per game? I don’t understand being so critical of trying to get back to doing what we do best.

dizzle88 09-22-2018 12:20 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 813968)
Have people forgotten that our offense was at it’s best when Brees had 8 or 9 different people catching passes per game? I don’t understand being so critical of trying to get back to doing what we do best.

Precisely, I love the stat from 2009 to 2011 when Brees led a scoring drive and it showed that he threw to 6 or 7 different people on one drive. That's when we were at our best.

Whilst Kamara is great, I hate that little flare pass we throw to him, far too easy for Defenses to read.

K Major 09-22-2018 12:23 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 813949)
Brees is completing 81% of his passes which is insane. Introducing another target right now is not needed.

You're joking right? When good D coordinators take away (it will happen) our #1 target, then what?

Did you watch any Saints football last season and the offensive woes (Snead disappeared on 3rd down) we had with pass catching to anyone not named Thomas or Kamara?

dizzle88 09-22-2018 12:31 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 813972)
You're joking right? When good D coordinators take away (it will happen) our #1 target, then what?

Did you watch any Saints football last season and the offensive woes (Snead disappeared on 3rd down) we had with pass catching to anyone not named Thomas or Kamara?

The game vs Lions became atrocious very quickly. 45-10 up in the first half, offense couldn't convert a third down at all in the 2nd half, Lions scored 28 unanswered points and we got lucky on D to score a TD that sealed the game.

It will happen, our offense will sputter if they don't find another target.

rezburna 09-22-2018 12:32 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Like I said...if Thomas and Kamara were actually covered when Brees was throwing them ball it would be a different conversation. He isn’t forcing it to then like he did with Jimmy Graham. Meredith will make a difference though.

blackangold 09-22-2018 12:37 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Brees is not the key to us being a SB contender... it’s the running game. If we can start running the ball well again we will start putting more wins together. It’s not about Brees throwing to 100 different WRs or only targeting 1 guy all game, just run the ball well to set up the PA and keep the defense off the field.

spkb25 09-22-2018 12:39 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 813978)
Brees is not the key to us being a SB contender... it’s the running game. If we can start running the ball well again we will start putting more wins together. It’s not about Brees throwing to 100 different WRs or only targeting 1 guy all game, just run the ball well to set up the PA and keep the defense off the field.

And the defense. We need a 16-20 defense

rezburna 09-22-2018 12:59 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
The last two posts are good points. I think we have a top 15 defense if they would just do their jobs and stop trying to run a single-high safety.

Beastmode 09-22-2018 01:38 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Getting more touches to another WR won't change anything because it's not an issue with Brees completing 8 of 10 passes. Nobody has that going on. Stop it first then it needs attention.

The D has to turn it around. The big strikes are killing us but that is what we do. Give up big 30 plus yards strikes consistently and then demand Brees bail us out. He can do it sometimes but not every damn game. They have to step up.

dizzle88 09-22-2018 01:41 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 813981)
Getting more touches to another WR won't change anything because it's not an issue with Brees completing 8 of 10 passes. Nobody has that going on. Stop it first then it needs attention.

The D has to turn it around. The big strikes are killing us but that is what we do. Give up big 30 plus yards strikes consistently and then demand Brees bail us out. He can do it sometimes but not every damn game. They have to step up.

It has already become an issue when we didn't score a TD until the 4th quarter vs the Brown's.

AsylumGuido 09-22-2018 01:44 PM

Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 813981)
Getting more touches to another WR won't change anything because it's not an issue with Brees completing 8 of 10 passes. Nobody has that going on. Stop it first then it needs attention.

The D has to turn it around. The big strikes are killing us but that is what we do. Give up big 30 plus yards strikes consistently and then demand Brees bail us out. He can do it sometimes but not every damn game. They have to step up.

Those receptions are being contained. They are not turning into scoring plays. A defense can give up short passes all day long as long as they contain the play. Having more receivers in play will spread the field more and lead to more explosive plays, thus more scoring.


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