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CharityMike 09-24-2018 08:11 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
Why the hell do I keep seeing trade Ingram?? WTF is wrong with you people, you don't trade away your good players for draft picks, gtfo

turbo_dog 09-24-2018 08:13 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever (Post 814808)
In the first 2 games AK had 20 & 19 touches.
At Atlanta he had 31, plus some return duty. And he played nearly an entire extra quarter with O/T. Yeah, that's a lot. And I think Sean is/was well aware of what he's asking this 23 year old to do. This was a divisional game and we badly needed this win after already losing 1 divisional game to the Bucs.
We've got one more game in NY and then Mark Ingram will be back, & angry. And we love it when MI is angry.
So, have a beer and relax.
Yeah, I'm with you. Except for the fact that I cringe every time I see Kamara catch a punt. I think the fact it was the Falcons is the main reason we saw so much AK. This game was VITAL to the season! My hope is that next week we see someone else catching kicks and Gillislee and Williams step up. Oh and if we could keep the other team from scoring over 30, that'd be pretty awesome.

:bng:

turbo_dog 09-24-2018 08:15 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 814848)
Yeah, I'm with you. Except for the fact that I cringe every time I see Kamara catch a punt. I think the fact it was the Falcons is the main reason we saw so much AK. This game was VITAL to the season! My hope is that next week we see someone else catching kicks and Gillislee and Williams step up. Oh and if we could keep the other team from scoring over 30, that'd be pretty awesome.

:bng:
Anyone else think Taysom Hill might be the second string running back next week?
:stupid:

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-24-2018 08:50 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 814847)
Why the hell do I keep seeing trade Ingram?? WTF is wrong with you people, you don't trade away your good players for draft picks, gtfo
There is actually a both sides argument at this point. Ingram is in the last year of his contract. Despite what some say here, he's a premier 3-down back in the NFL. He's also going to be 29 years old in December. The combination of the two means that this next contract will likely be his last big contract.

With running backs getting money like Gurley, Freeman, and Bell, Ingram's asking price is likely to be north of $10 million per year, It's a huge jump from the current $4 million he's getting now.

So this sets up the dilemma: the likelyhood of the Saints paying Ingram that type of money, or franchising him and being on the hook for close to $15 million is virtually zero. However, going past the trade deadline means that the Saints may get a relatively small compensation for Ingram leaving, though the Saints gets the benefit of a truly motivated Ingram in a contract year until the season is over. So option 3 is looking for a trade partner and trying to maximize the value in return for Ingram because it's clear that there's no way to work him into the long term plans.

My gut says that option #2 is going to be the choice. The Saints will ride Ingram until the wheels fall off, then part ways and allow Ingram to find his golden parachute in free agency.

I can already tell that some will consider that selling out on the team. But the NFL is a business. And it's a business that chews up running backs. So if Ingram can find a team that'll pay him market value, my opinion is more power to him. I'll wish him well.

SFIAH

ScottF 09-24-2018 09:03 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 814849)
Anyone else think Taysom Hill might be the second string running back next week?
:stupid:
That ^^ I'm not concerned about...let him return punts

ScottF 09-24-2018 09:09 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 814858)
There is actually a both sides argument at this point. Ingram is in the last year of his contract. Despite what some say here, he's a premier 3-down back in the NFL. He's also going to be 29 years old in December. The combination of the two means that this next contract will likely be his last big contract.

With running backs getting money like Gurley, Freeman, and Bell, Ingram's asking price is likely to be north of $10 million per year, It's a huge jump from the current $4 million he's getting now.

So this sets up the dilemma: the likelyhood of the Saints paying Ingram that type of money, or franchising him and being on the hook for close to $15 million is virtually zero. However, going past the trade deadline means that the Saints may get a relatively small compensation for Ingram leaving, though the Saints gets the benefit of a truly motivated Ingram in a contract year until the season is over. So option 3 is looking for a trade partner and trying to maximize the value in return for Ingram because it's clear that there's no way to work him into the long term plans.

My gut says that option #2 is going to be the choice. The Saints will ride Ingram until the wheels fall off, then part ways and allow Ingram to find his golden parachute in free agency.

I can already tell that some will consider that selling out on the team. But the NFL is a business. And it's a business that chews up running backs. So if Ingram can find a team that'll pay him market value, my opinion is more power to him. I'll wish him well.

SFIAH
I agree. A trade partner still has to sign him, so why give anything up?
He'll either take the hometown discount or get overpaid elsewhere. Can we afford him at 8 or 9? Maybe, as we are finally shedding that mountain of dead cap.
Is he worth more? Looking at the Tag number maybe, but looking at the top average, no way

Beastmode 09-24-2018 09:43 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814839)
Your point which everyone else thought was pretty damned stupid.

:dunce:
I get your opinion but the name calling, WTF is up with the name calling. I have never done this to you. Calling me stupid because a player will not be here next year and, if someone emerged, we could have got a pick. We do not have much firepower next year if you have not noticed.

This team is firmly built on good drafting. That is our strength. Why not focus on our strength and give up a RB if we do not need it.

We need him but no way anybody knew that before the season started. If anybody else blew up then what? Do we really need MI at that point.

No. Trade him. Our draft is going to suck next year. If we fall short that is the reality in about 7 months from now.


The name calling though is BS. Anyone that disagrees with you, you call them ignorant and stupid? I imagine you must have a life worthy of worthlessness. Nobody would want to be around someone like that. No woman, man or child. Just pathetic.

Saintsfan4ever 09-24-2018 11:21 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 814849)
Anyone else think Taysom Hill might be the second string running back next week?
:stupid:
I would bet you this, he would do as good or better at RB than anyone else we have behind AK right now.

CharityMike 09-24-2018 11:29 PM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 814858)
There is actually a both sides argument at this point. Ingram is in the last year of his contract. Despite what some say here, he's a premier 3-down back in the NFL. He's also going to be 29 years old in December. The combination of the two means that this next contract will likely be his last big contract.

With running backs getting money like Gurley, Freeman, and Bell, Ingram's asking price is likely to be north of $10 million per year, It's a huge jump from the current $4 million he's getting now.

So this sets up the dilemma: the likelyhood of the Saints paying Ingram that type of money, or franchising him and being on the hook for close to $15 million is virtually zero. However, going past the trade deadline means that the Saints may get a relatively small compensation for Ingram leaving, though the Saints gets the benefit of a truly motivated Ingram in a contract year until the season is over. So option 3 is looking for a trade partner and trying to maximize the value in return for Ingram because it's clear that there's no way to work him into the long term plans.

My gut says that option #2 is going to be the choice. The Saints will ride Ingram until the wheels fall off, then part ways and allow Ingram to find his golden parachute in free agency.

I can already tell that some will consider that selling out on the team. But the NFL is a business. And it's a business that chews up running backs. So if Ingram can find a team that'll pay him market value, my opinion is more power to him. I'll wish him well.

SFIAH
Ok, I get that point of view. I just don't wanna end up seeing him twice a yr.

spkb25 09-25-2018 07:34 AM
Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814827)
They did the best they could with
Really...really?? The best they could? No, they chose not to worry about it and put a half assed effort into it


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