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homerj07 09-24-2018 04:10 PM

Is AK alright?
 
I had to watch highlights of the game on Red zone and such BUT it looked liked/seemed that Kamara wasn't having fun. He usually seems happy and carefree.
Are the coaches working him too hard while Ingram is out?

You guys get to see the games more then me. So I thought I would get your opinion.

Thanks :bng:

ScottF 09-24-2018 04:15 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
I really think he was gassed at the end of the game. On consecutive plays he ducked out-of-bounds when he usually turns for the extra yard or two.
He was pretty amped when he thought he had the winning TD, so he's okay mentally. We need to find someone else to pick up 5-6 touches next week. Seems like Brees checks down to him way too often

AsylumGuido 09-24-2018 04:17 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 814756)
I really think he was gassed at the end of the game. On consecutive plays he ducked out-of-bounds when he usually turns for the extra yard or two.
He was pretty amped when he thought he had the winning TD, so he's okay mentally. We need to find someone else to pick up 5-6 touches next week. Seems like Brees checks down to him way too often

There's really no other option at this point for the check down until Ingram returns.

K Major 09-24-2018 04:35 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Can't speak for any other poster but Kamara is getting used far too much in this offense. He's a RB/slot back, WR & now occasionally punt returns. In the words of my grandmother ... "he's probably spent & exhausted".

Kamara is a special player & his health is paramount. One more week and then Mark Angrum :disgust: returns.

Supertek 09-24-2018 04:39 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
There is always another option let both Guilise (SP?) and Williams walk bring back Scott and Tate. I think they made the wrong choices. As far as Kamara he is definitely being over used punt returns for what ? They are going to get this man hurt if they aren't careful. Glad Ingram will be back soon. As far as him stepping out of bounds I think was the smart thing to do they had the angle on him and why take hits for little reward ?

spkb25 09-24-2018 05:17 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 814766)
Can't speak for any other poster but Kamara is getting used far too much in this offense. He's a RB/slot back, WR & now occasionally punt returns. In the words of my grandmother ... "he's probably spent & exhausted".

Kamara is a special player & his health is paramount. One more week and then Mark Angrum :disgust: returns.

He is going to get injured if sp doesn't slow the f down.

spkb25 09-24-2018 05:18 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814760)
There's really no other option at this point for the check down until Ingram returns.

Dude had 16 carries and like 15 catches...plus returns. Wayyyy tooooo much. We better figure out something else. SP was well aware of the MI suspension. No excuses

AsylumGuido 09-24-2018 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 814790)
Dude had 16 carries and like 15 catches...plus returns. Wayyyy tooooo much. We better figure out something else. SP was well aware of the MI suspension. No excuses

And your solution if we still want to win every game?

spkb25 09-24-2018 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814794)
And your solution if we still want to win every game?

Solved it in the draft or off-season like the Saints should have. Not to injure one of our main weapons would be a start. I wouldn't excuse over using one of our stars to the point that he's going to get injured from fatigue.

Saintsfan4ever 09-24-2018 05:50 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
In the first 2 games AK had 20 & 19 touches.
At Atlanta he had 31, plus some return duty. And he played nearly an entire extra quarter with O/T. Yeah, that's a lot. And I think Sean is/was well aware of what he's asking this 23 year old to do. This was a divisional game and we badly needed this win after already losing 1 divisional game to the Bucs.
We've got one more game in NY and then Mark Ingram will be back, & angry. And we love it when MI is angry.
So, have a beer and relax.

cmike 09-24-2018 06:01 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
The guys don’t seem to be having fun as a whole. Always playing from behind.

cmike 09-24-2018 06:02 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Keep him off the return duties.

Barry from MS 09-24-2018 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmike (Post 814815)
Keep him off the return duties.

Boom goes the dynamite.

AsylumGuido 09-24-2018 06:32 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 814802)
Solved it in the draft or off-season like the Saints should have. Not to injure one of our main weapons would be a start. I wouldn't excuse over using one of our stars to the point that he's going to get injured from fatigue.

The draft is over. What would your solution be today, with the current roster, if we want to win every game?

Is it any different than what is being employed so far?

CharityMike 09-24-2018 06:37 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814821)
The draft is over. What would your solution be today, with the current roster, if we want to win every game?

Is it any different than what is being employed so far?

Me, I would bring back Tate. Not expensive, I am sure we have a player that bounces back and forth off of the team. It would solve the issue we have atm.

spkb25 09-24-2018 06:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814821)
The draft is over. What would your solution be today, with the current roster, if we want to win every game?

Is it any different than what is being employed so far?

That's the problem, they had advanced notice. That would be applicable if it was an injury vs a suspension they were aware of. So why didn't they solve it?

AsylumGuido 09-24-2018 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 814825)
That's the problem, they had advanced notice. That would be applicable if it was an injury vs a suspension they were aware of. So why didn't they solve it?

They did the best they could with cap and roster constraints. Could we hve done better?

Beastmode 09-24-2018 06:48 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
We drafted a RB and brought in what, 3 or 4. Great job of exhausting all our options but there is nobody else. MI can't get here soon enough. My hope was that someone else would emerge and we would be in the position to trade MI but that boat has sailed. Sucks because we are Aunt Jemina light on picks next year with not much hope getting a 1 back. AND I KNOW, MI is not a 1 but the point was to BUNDLE, BUILD picks to trade up for a 1.

Barry from MS 09-24-2018 06:57 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
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AsylumGuido 09-24-2018 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 814828)
We drafted a RB and brought in what, 3 or 4. Great job of exhausting all our options but there is nobody else. MI can't get here soon enough. My hope was that someone else would emerge and we would be in the position to trade MI but that boat has sailed. Sucks because we are Aunt Jemina light on picks next year with not much hope getting a 1 back. AND I KNOW, MI is not a 1 but the point was to BUNDLE, BUILD picks to trade up for a 1.

Your point which everyone else thought was pretty damned stupid.

:dunce:

CharityMike 09-24-2018 08:11 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Why the hell do I keep seeing trade Ingram?? WTF is wrong with you people, you don't trade away your good players for draft picks, gtfo

turbo_dog 09-24-2018 08:13 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever (Post 814808)
In the first 2 games AK had 20 & 19 touches.
At Atlanta he had 31, plus some return duty. And he played nearly an entire extra quarter with O/T. Yeah, that's a lot. And I think Sean is/was well aware of what he's asking this 23 year old to do. This was a divisional game and we badly needed this win after already losing 1 divisional game to the Bucs.
We've got one more game in NY and then Mark Ingram will be back, & angry. And we love it when MI is angry.
So, have a beer and relax.

Yeah, I'm with you. Except for the fact that I cringe every time I see Kamara catch a punt. I think the fact it was the Falcons is the main reason we saw so much AK. This game was VITAL to the season! My hope is that next week we see someone else catching kicks and Gillislee and Williams step up. Oh and if we could keep the other team from scoring over 30, that'd be pretty awesome.

:bng:

turbo_dog 09-24-2018 08:15 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 814848)
Yeah, I'm with you. Except for the fact that I cringe every time I see Kamara catch a punt. I think the fact it was the Falcons is the main reason we saw so much AK. This game was VITAL to the season! My hope is that next week we see someone else catching kicks and Gillislee and Williams step up. Oh and if we could keep the other team from scoring over 30, that'd be pretty awesome.

:bng:

Anyone else think Taysom Hill might be the second string running back next week?
:stupid:

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-24-2018 08:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 814847)
Why the hell do I keep seeing trade Ingram?? WTF is wrong with you people, you don't trade away your good players for draft picks, gtfo

There is actually a both sides argument at this point. Ingram is in the last year of his contract. Despite what some say here, he's a premier 3-down back in the NFL. He's also going to be 29 years old in December. The combination of the two means that this next contract will likely be his last big contract.

With running backs getting money like Gurley, Freeman, and Bell, Ingram's asking price is likely to be north of $10 million per year, It's a huge jump from the current $4 million he's getting now.

So this sets up the dilemma: the likelyhood of the Saints paying Ingram that type of money, or franchising him and being on the hook for close to $15 million is virtually zero. However, going past the trade deadline means that the Saints may get a relatively small compensation for Ingram leaving, though the Saints gets the benefit of a truly motivated Ingram in a contract year until the season is over. So option 3 is looking for a trade partner and trying to maximize the value in return for Ingram because it's clear that there's no way to work him into the long term plans.

My gut says that option #2 is going to be the choice. The Saints will ride Ingram until the wheels fall off, then part ways and allow Ingram to find his golden parachute in free agency.

I can already tell that some will consider that selling out on the team. But the NFL is a business. And it's a business that chews up running backs. So if Ingram can find a team that'll pay him market value, my opinion is more power to him. I'll wish him well.

SFIAH

ScottF 09-24-2018 09:03 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 814849)
Anyone else think Taysom Hill might be the second string running back next week?
:stupid:

That ^^ I'm not concerned about...let him return punts

ScottF 09-24-2018 09:09 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 814858)
There is actually a both sides argument at this point. Ingram is in the last year of his contract. Despite what some say here, he's a premier 3-down back in the NFL. He's also going to be 29 years old in December. The combination of the two means that this next contract will likely be his last big contract.

With running backs getting money like Gurley, Freeman, and Bell, Ingram's asking price is likely to be north of $10 million per year, It's a huge jump from the current $4 million he's getting now.

So this sets up the dilemma: the likelyhood of the Saints paying Ingram that type of money, or franchising him and being on the hook for close to $15 million is virtually zero. However, going past the trade deadline means that the Saints may get a relatively small compensation for Ingram leaving, though the Saints gets the benefit of a truly motivated Ingram in a contract year until the season is over. So option 3 is looking for a trade partner and trying to maximize the value in return for Ingram because it's clear that there's no way to work him into the long term plans.

My gut says that option #2 is going to be the choice. The Saints will ride Ingram until the wheels fall off, then part ways and allow Ingram to find his golden parachute in free agency.

I can already tell that some will consider that selling out on the team. But the NFL is a business. And it's a business that chews up running backs. So if Ingram can find a team that'll pay him market value, my opinion is more power to him. I'll wish him well.

SFIAH

I agree. A trade partner still has to sign him, so why give anything up?
He'll either take the hometown discount or get overpaid elsewhere. Can we afford him at 8 or 9? Maybe, as we are finally shedding that mountain of dead cap.
Is he worth more? Looking at the Tag number maybe, but looking at the top average, no way

Beastmode 09-24-2018 09:43 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814839)
Your point which everyone else thought was pretty damned stupid.

:dunce:

I get your opinion but the name calling, WTF is up with the name calling. I have never done this to you. Calling me stupid because a player will not be here next year and, if someone emerged, we could have got a pick. We do not have much firepower next year if you have not noticed.

This team is firmly built on good drafting. That is our strength. Why not focus on our strength and give up a RB if we do not need it.

We need him but no way anybody knew that before the season started. If anybody else blew up then what? Do we really need MI at that point.

No. Trade him. Our draft is going to suck next year. If we fall short that is the reality in about 7 months from now.


The name calling though is BS. Anyone that disagrees with you, you call them ignorant and stupid? I imagine you must have a life worthy of worthlessness. Nobody would want to be around someone like that. No woman, man or child. Just pathetic.

Saintsfan4ever 09-24-2018 11:21 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 814849)
Anyone else think Taysom Hill might be the second string running back next week?
:stupid:

I would bet you this, he would do as good or better at RB than anyone else we have behind AK right now.

CharityMike 09-24-2018 11:29 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 814858)
There is actually a both sides argument at this point. Ingram is in the last year of his contract. Despite what some say here, he's a premier 3-down back in the NFL. He's also going to be 29 years old in December. The combination of the two means that this next contract will likely be his last big contract.

With running backs getting money like Gurley, Freeman, and Bell, Ingram's asking price is likely to be north of $10 million per year, It's a huge jump from the current $4 million he's getting now.

So this sets up the dilemma: the likelyhood of the Saints paying Ingram that type of money, or franchising him and being on the hook for close to $15 million is virtually zero. However, going past the trade deadline means that the Saints may get a relatively small compensation for Ingram leaving, though the Saints gets the benefit of a truly motivated Ingram in a contract year until the season is over. So option 3 is looking for a trade partner and trying to maximize the value in return for Ingram because it's clear that there's no way to work him into the long term plans.

My gut says that option #2 is going to be the choice. The Saints will ride Ingram until the wheels fall off, then part ways and allow Ingram to find his golden parachute in free agency.

I can already tell that some will consider that selling out on the team. But the NFL is a business. And it's a business that chews up running backs. So if Ingram can find a team that'll pay him market value, my opinion is more power to him. I'll wish him well.

SFIAH

Ok, I get that point of view. I just don't wanna end up seeing him twice a yr.

spkb25 09-25-2018 07:34 AM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814827)
They did the best they could with

Really...really?? The best they could? No, they chose not to worry about it and put a half assed effort into it

K Major 09-25-2018 08:27 AM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
If and when that time comes (2019) for Ingram to say good bye to New Orleans ... the Saints front office better have a damn good back up plan in place at RB.

After 3 weeks of football, it's very obvious how important his skill set is in this offense & how vital he is to our running attack.

At this level, you can't outscore every body.

SmashMouth 09-25-2018 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 814903)
If and when that time comes (2019) for Ingram to say good bye to New Orleans ... the Saints front office better have a damn good back up plan in place at RB.

After 3 weeks of football, it's very obvious how important his skill set is in this offense & how vital he is to our running attack.

At this level, you can't outscore every body.

It's a shame they haven't used Boston Scott at all...they need to. He just might be what the doctor ordered.

K Major 09-25-2018 09:15 AM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 814910)
It's a shame they haven't used Boston Scott at all...they need to. He just might be what the doctor ordered.

Either SP is being stubborn, or coaches simply don't trust him.

ScottF 09-25-2018 10:00 AM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
We have a ton of receivers that could see more of the ball: put Meredith, Smith or Austin in the backfield and run that swing pass or check down to them.

As far as AK on punt returns, that is simply asinine.

Has anyone forgotten the Seattle PO game when we had no RB's left?

SaintGup 09-25-2018 10:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 814849)
Anyone else think Taysom Hill might be the second string running back next week?
:stupid:

YAAAYYY!!!

vpheughan 09-25-2018 10:51 AM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
He'd have to change his number.

Papa Voodoo 09-25-2018 11:51 AM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 814760)
There's really no other option at this point for the check down until Ingram returns.

Take out Williams and bring up Scott. He has to be better than the garbage we're putting out there aside from Kamara.

Rugby Saint II 09-25-2018 12:07 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 814935)
Take out Williams and bring up Scott. He has to be better than the garbage we're putting out there aside from Kamara.

Ditto Kiddo!!!:bng:

rezburna 09-25-2018 12:24 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
When Ingram comes back we’ll be fine.

AsylumGuido 09-25-2018 12:28 PM

Re: Is AK alright?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 814868)
I get your opinion but the name calling, WTF is up with the name calling. I have never done this to you. Calling me stupid because a player will not be here next year and, if someone emerged, we could have got a pick. We do not have much firepower next year if you have not noticed.

This team is firmly built on good drafting. That is our strength. Why not focus on our strength and give up a RB if we do not need it.

We need him but no way anybody knew that before the season started. If anybody else blew up then what? Do we really need MI at that point.

No. Trade him. Our draft is going to suck next year. If we fall short that is the reality in about 7 months from now.


The name calling though is BS. Anyone that disagrees with you, you call them ignorant and stupid? I imagine you must have a life worthy of worthlessness. Nobody would want to be around someone like that. No woman, man or child. Just pathetic.

I never called you stupid. Very intelligent people make stupid statements. Hell, I'll admit I've said and done stupid things. Regardless of how intellectual you may be, the vast majority of members here felt your insistence on trying to trade Ingram was stupid.


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