Saints Re-Signing WR Brandon Tate

dizzle88 · 09-26-2018, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I understand that players regress, have bad years, classic sophomore slump etc... but I don't believe all the cornerbacks and safeties on a team regress all at the same time. It has to be the scheme.

It's always been the scheme. That's how GW turned Scott Shanle, Roman Harper and Alex Brown into a top 10 D - schemed to play to their collective strengths.

Payton and Allen are responsible when players look bad, and the D gets worse and worse no matter how many pro bowlers we bring in. That shows everyone it isn't the players.

Payton can't even play a newly signed LB in his original position.

|Mitch| · 09-26-2018, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Payton and Allen are responsible when players look bad

Wouldn’t that make them responsible for them looking great last year?

dizzle88 · 09-26-2018, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Wouldn’t that make them responsible for them looking great last year?

It certainly would, which begs the question, what happened?

Rugby Saint II · 09-26-2018, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

It certainly would, which begs the question, what happened?

I think the answer is that Allen put too many wrinkles in the defense and never gave any position group time to gel. He needs to simplify the scheme again and let the talent stop thinking all the time and just do their job instinctively.

AsylumGuido · 09-26-2018, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I think the answer is that Allen put too many wrinkles in the defense and never gave any position group time to gel. He needs to simplify the scheme again and let the talent stop thinking all the time and just do their job instinctively.

You beat me to it, Rugby. But, yes, I agree. It's too logical not to be the reason.

AsylumGuido · 09-26-2018, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

It certainly would, which begs the question, what happened?

What could have changed? The complexity of the scheme most likely. The same thing happened everywhere that Rob Ryan coached. He would implement a stripped down vanilla version of his offense and they would have immediate success. Thee following year he would open up the playbook and players would begin to look lost. Sound familiar?

09-26-2018, 11:35 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,560	Re: Saints Re-Signing WR Brandon Tate Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I understand that players regress, have bad years, classic sophomore slump etc... but I don't believe all the cornerbacks and safeties on a team regress all at the same time. It has to be the scheme. It's always been the scheme. That's how GW turned Scott Shanle, Roman Harper and Alex Brown into a top 10 D - schemed to play to their collective strengths. Payton and Allen are responsible when players look bad, and the D gets worse and worse no matter how many pro bowlers we bring in. That shows everyone it isn't the players. Payton can't even play a newly signed LB in his original position. Barry from MS and Rugby Saint II like this.

09-26-2018, 12:27 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints Re-Signing WR Brandon Tate Originally Posted by dizzle88 Payton and Allen are responsible when players look bad Wouldn’t that make them responsible for them looking great last year?

09-26-2018, 12:58 PM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,560	Re: Saints Re-Signing WR Brandon Tate Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Wouldn’t that make them responsible for them looking great last year? It certainly would, which begs the question, what happened?

09-26-2018, 01:28 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: Saints Re-Signing WR Brandon Tate Originally Posted by dizzle88 It certainly would, which begs the question, what happened? I think the answer is that Allen put too many wrinkles in the defense and never gave any position group time to gel. He needs to simplify the scheme again and let the talent stop thinking all the time and just do their job instinctively. Barry from MS and AsylumGuido like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Saints Re-Signing WR Brandon Tate Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I think the answer is that Allen put too many wrinkles in the defense and never gave any position group time to gel. He needs to simplify the scheme again and let the talent stop thinking all the time and just do their job instinctively. You beat me to it, Rugby. But, yes, I agree. It's too logical not to be the reason.

09-26-2018, 01:31 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Saints Re-Signing WR Brandon Tate Originally Posted by dizzle88 It certainly would, which begs the question, what happened? What could have changed? The complexity of the scheme most likely. The same thing happened everywhere that Rob Ryan coached. He would implement a stripped down vanilla version of his offense and they would have immediate success. Thee following year he would open up the playbook and players would begin to look lost. Sound familiar? Rugby Saint II likes this.

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