Possible Deuce Holdout

tiggerpolice · 05-20-2005, 08:15 AM

On top of that, McAllister is hoping to work out a new contract with the team before training camp begins July 29. The rookie contract he signed in 2001 was scheduled to expire after the 2006 season, but the final year of the deal was voided.

Even that will come in due time, he said. McAllister mentioned the possibility of holding out of training camp or the regular season, but only if negotiations don't move forward in a positive manner. He said he's leaving that up to agent Ben Dogra and Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis.

papz · 05-20-2005, 10:16 AM

I doubt there will be any holdout with Deuce. We'll get something done soon. He just doesn't seem like the type to put his team in a bad situation. He probably just said a little something to speed up the process.

ScottyRo · 05-20-2005, 10:21 AM

I agree, Papz. While he probably wont holdout, he's not going to throw out that leverage he can have by threatening it, if necessary. But I don't see him as the kind of guy to hold out. However, if they don't get him a new deal before the year is out, I can see him being extremely difficult to re-sign (depending on the market - which was carp for Rbs this year).

natedogg02 · 05-20-2005, 11:34 AM

Deuce did hold out his rookie season, so he is the type to hold out, but i think he really wants to be here so i doubt he will again unless something dont happen.
And he will want top 5 money prob, and i think he deserves it.
He's our best player on offense, and a top 5 RB.

JKool · 05-20-2005, 11:43 AM

Does anyone know Duece's current cap number? It may be possible to sign him to a longer deal and save some money a la Horn.

ScottyRo · 05-20-2005, 12:53 PM

Deuce did hold out his rookie season, so he is the type to hold out, but i think he really wants to be here so i doubt he will again unless something dont happen.

While that's true nate, at that time he was a rookie without a contract. Now he has a contract. I think it's a much different situation. But again, likely moot because Loomis appears as if he is actively trying to get it done.

JK, NFLPA lists his compensation for '05 at $2.3M. I don't know what his cap number is though. Anyone know where to find that?

no_cloning · 05-20-2005, 03:18 PM

His signing bonus was $3.8 million, so his cap number should be around $3.2 million. It's possible that a new deal would free up a couple houndred thousand, it may turn out flat.
The Saints are under the cap right now (as far as I know) and somehow I think the roster is pretty much set for the season. So that's not really a concern.

The threat of holding out has me a little bit worried though. It may just mean two weeks less time for losing the excess pounds Deuce seems to show up with in recent years. While I'm sure he'll be there when the regular season starts, he also needs training camp.

JKool · 05-20-2005, 04:00 PM

If his cap number is close to 4 mil, then there should be no trouble getting him an extention that increases his salary significantly.

I don't think Duece will hold out. If McKenzie didn't, then I don't see Duece doing it. There is a good feeling about this season in the locker room - momentum carried from a good end of last season. I think that helps our chances of resigning all these guys.

Of course, it is important to do it now then (instead of after the season starts) in case we start off rocky.

spkb25 · 05-20-2005, 04:19 PM

they will get it done i have no doubt. im sure they are trying to get howard done and then get the others done. i'd let brown sit. i wouldnt give in to his ****

05-20-2005, 08:15 AM	#1
tiggerpolice 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: new orleans Posts: 584	Possible Deuce Holdout On top of that, McAllister is hoping to work out a new contract with the team before training camp begins July 29. The rookie contract he signed in 2001 was scheduled to expire after the 2006 season, but the final year of the deal was voided. Even that will come in due time, he said. McAllister mentioned the possibility of holding out of training camp or the regular season, but only if negotiations don't move forward in a positive manner. He said he's leaving that up to agent Ben Dogra and Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis.

05-20-2005, 10:16 AM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	RE: Possible Deuce Holdout I doubt there will be any holdout with Deuce. We'll get something done soon. He just doesn't seem like the type to put his team in a bad situation. He probably just said a little something to speed up the process.

05-20-2005, 10:21 AM	#3
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	RE: Possible Deuce Holdout I agree, Papz. While he probably wont holdout, he's not going to throw out that leverage he can have by threatening it, if necessary. But I don't see him as the kind of guy to hold out. However, if they don't get him a new deal before the year is out, I can see him being extremely difficult to re-sign (depending on the market - which was carp for Rbs this year).

05-20-2005, 11:34 AM	#4
natedogg02 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 145	RE: Possible Deuce Holdout Deuce did hold out his rookie season, so he is the type to hold out, but i think he really wants to be here so i doubt he will again unless something dont happen. And he will want top 5 money prob, and i think he deserves it. He's our best player on offense, and a top 5 RB.
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05-20-2005, 11:43 AM	#5
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	RE: Possible Deuce Holdout Does anyone know Duece's current cap number? It may be possible to sign him to a longer deal and save some money a la Horn.

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05-20-2005, 12:53 PM	#6
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	RE: Possible Deuce Holdout Deuce did hold out his rookie season, so he is the type to hold out, but i think he really wants to be here so i doubt he will again unless something dont happen. While that's true nate, at that time he was a rookie without a contract. Now he has a contract. I think it's a much different situation. But again, likely moot because Loomis appears as if he is actively trying to get it done. JK, NFLPA lists his compensation for '05 at $2.3M. I don't know what his cap number is though. Anyone know where to find that?

05-20-2005, 03:18 PM	#7
no_cloning 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 249	RE: Possible Deuce Holdout His signing bonus was $3.8 million, so his cap number should be around $3.2 million. It's possible that a new deal would free up a couple houndred thousand, it may turn out flat. The Saints are under the cap right now (as far as I know) and somehow I think the roster is pretty much set for the season. So that's not really a concern. The threat of holding out has me a little bit worried though. It may just mean two weeks less time for losing the excess pounds Deuce seems to show up with in recent years. While I'm sure he'll be there when the regular season starts, he also needs training camp.
no_cloning 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 249

05-20-2005, 04:00 PM	#8
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	RE: Possible Deuce Holdout If his cap number is close to 4 mil, then there should be no trouble getting him an extention that increases his salary significantly. I don't think Duece will hold out. If McKenzie didn't, then I don't see Duece doing it. There is a good feeling about this season in the locker room - momentum carried from a good end of last season. I think that helps our chances of resigning all these guys. Of course, it is important to do it now then (instead of after the season starts) in case we start off rocky.

05-20-2005, 04:19 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	they will get it done i have no doubt. im sure they are trying to get howard done and then get the others done. i'd let brown sit. i wouldnt give in to his ****