Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever

jeanpierre · 10-06-2018, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Packers fans have started down the same path JP when it comes to Rodgers-McCarthy.

Well, I give McCarthy a little more of a break because there you've had a true (not Yes Man) GM than the situation you have in New Orleans...

For years Thompson made the calls come draft day; at least they're smarter when it comes to delegation and division of authority within that organization...

And that's really my pet peeve more than anything...

SaintSproles · 10-06-2018, 11:57 PM

I dare someone to find a listing that has Brees in the top 10 best qbs of all time. It doesn't exist.

Is Brees better than Favre? Of course, Brees has a 2.4% interception rate, Favre a gaudy 3.3%. End of discussion.

Is Brees better than Elway? Of course he is. While Elway was a clutch performer late in games, statistically he was not elite even in his generation of Young, Montana and Marino. Not even close in fact.

Is Brees better than Marino? That one is actually a closer call, but the edge still clearly goes to Brees.

There are only 2 qbs clearly ahead of Brees, Brady and Montana and it all has to do with rings.

What Brees will need to do is play another 4 seasons and get to 90,000 yards and 600 TDs and leave no doubt that he belongs in that 3rd spot.

Win another Super Bowl and he immediately moves into the top 5.

Brees has suffered from a lack of support from his teammates, and that sub 60% win rate is weighing him down. Half the seasons not making the playoffs, heavily weighing on his legacy as well. No fault of his own, but it counts against him in the pundits eyes.

It's sad, but it's the way it is.

I personally have him 3rd already.

Destroy all the records and win a second SB and I'd personally have him #1.

Rugby Saint II · 10-07-2018, 02:45 PM

It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up.

Utah_Saint · 10-07-2018, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up.

Utah is a NFL black hole so I don't get to hear all the behind the scenes stuff. But from what I read on here,
Loomis is just a yes man
Payton meddles with the defense
And all good draft picks are made by Ireland and all bad draft picks are made by Payton.

Where does all that come from? I don't see anything like that on the national sports reports so I'm assuming it must be something local.

SaintSproles · 10-07-2018, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up.

Payton is an offensive genius but a mediocre head coach.

Half of Drew's time here is non winning seasons, and that is totally unacceptable.

Plus the playoff debacles vs the 49ers and Vikings (and Seahawks for that matter). What could have been had we invested in defense, special teams, kicking game, etc. But alas, Payton has been overly consumed with having his high flying offense on display and has largely paid the cost with heart wrenching losses due to terrible support for Brees.

The Dude · 10-07-2018, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Am also a Patriots fan since the days of Steve Grogran, John Hannah, Russ Francis, Mike Haynes, Stanley Morgan...

But I still argue with one of my best friends that Manning was better than Brady, though I've given Brady more respect since the come-from-behind-win vs the Falcons...

This is how I finally got one in on my Brother in this debate...

We both agreed that Barry Sanders was head and shoulders a superior running back to Emmitt Smith (wasn't hard as he hates the Cowboys)...

So I brought up that Smith had three Superbowls and the rushing title and without thinking twice he responded "But that was a team effort to..."

As he said it, he realized I had finally had him...

It is much the same truth for Brees. For years, especially when it came to Brees' contracts, I'd argue that Brees is the beneficiary of Payton...

But now reflecting on Payton's tenure since 2006 with Brees, I now admit I was wrong to criticize Brees to go along with his greed-is-good agent...

I've become a more intense follower of the NFL Draft the last twelve years, and I realized it's Payton that's the failure for only winning one with Drew...

Payton is a lot like Don Shula who basically go tenure for a SuperBowl win and really has coasted with Brees, and that's a shame to waste Brees talent...

Now, like many here, I've high hopes for this squads' success this year, but I no longer extend any slack whatsoever to the Payton-Loomis front office...

And when the books are done and it's time to account for Brees' career and success - I will be very unforgiving to Payton-Loomis and the chances they wasted...

I googled “top ten QBs of all time” and this was the very first thing that popped up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...-time.amp.html

The Dude · 10-07-2018, 07:22 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...LX6wd#image=44

Utah_Saint · 10-07-2018, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by SaintSproles

Payton is an offensive genius but a mediocre head coach.

Half of Drew's time here is non winning seasons, and that is totally unacceptable.

Plus the playoff debacles vs the 49ers and Vikings (and Seahawks for that matter). What could have been had we invested in defense, special teams, kicking game, etc. But alas, Payton has been overly consumed with having his high flying offense on display and has largely paid the cost with heart wrenching losses due to terrible support for Brees.

I don't know if I would say mediocre.

Payton has the 5th highest winning percentage of active coaches in the league @ .600.

That's good for 35th in the 98 year history of the NFL. And 7 of the coaches ahead of him only coached for 5 years or less.

Of the 4 active coaches with better overall records, only Belichick has a higher playoff winning percentage.

*Min 50 games coached

foreverfan · 10-07-2018, 08:24 PM

Ask who the Falcons thinks is the best and it has to be Brees.

QBREES9 · 10-07-2018, 08:31 PM

to me the GOAT!

10-06-2018, 06:08 PM	#11
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Packers fans have started down the same path JP when it comes to Rodgers-McCarthy. Well, I give McCarthy a little more of a break because there you've had a true (not Yes Man) GM than the situation you have in New Orleans... For years Thompson made the calls come draft day; at least they're smarter when it comes to delegation and division of authority within that organization... And that's really my pet peeve more than anything... ChrisXVI likes this.

10-06-2018, 11:57 PM	#12
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever I dare someone to find a listing that has Brees in the top 10 best qbs of all time. It doesn't exist. Is Brees better than Favre? Of course, Brees has a 2.4% interception rate, Favre a gaudy 3.3%. End of discussion. Is Brees better than Elway? Of course he is. While Elway was a clutch performer late in games, statistically he was not elite even in his generation of Young, Montana and Marino. Not even close in fact. Is Brees better than Marino? That one is actually a closer call, but the edge still clearly goes to Brees. There are only 2 qbs clearly ahead of Brees, Brady and Montana and it all has to do with rings. What Brees will need to do is play another 4 seasons and get to 90,000 yards and 600 TDs and leave no doubt that he belongs in that 3rd spot. Win another Super Bowl and he immediately moves into the top 5. Brees has suffered from a lack of support from his teammates, and that sub 60% win rate is weighing him down. Half the seasons not making the playoffs, heavily weighing on his legacy as well. No fault of his own, but it counts against him in the pundits eyes. It's sad, but it's the way it is. I personally have him 3rd already. Destroy all the records and win a second SB and I'd personally have him #1.

10-07-2018, 02:45 PM	#13
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up.

10-07-2018, 03:55 PM	#14
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up. Utah is a NFL black hole so I don't get to hear all the behind the scenes stuff. But from what I read on here, Loomis is just a yes man Payton meddles with the defense And all good draft picks are made by Ireland and all bad draft picks are made by Payton. Where does all that come from? I don't see anything like that on the national sports reports so I'm assuming it must be something local.

10-07-2018, 06:34 PM	#15
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up. Payton is an offensive genius but a mediocre head coach. Half of Drew's time here is non winning seasons, and that is totally unacceptable. Plus the playoff debacles vs the 49ers and Vikings (and Seahawks for that matter). What could have been had we invested in defense, special teams, kicking game, etc. But alas, Payton has been overly consumed with having his high flying offense on display and has largely paid the cost with heart wrenching losses due to terrible support for Brees.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by jeanpierre Am also a Patriots fan since the days of Steve Grogran, John Hannah, Russ Francis, Mike Haynes, Stanley Morgan... But I still argue with one of my best friends that Manning was better than Brady, though I've given Brady more respect since the come-from-behind-win vs the Falcons... This is how I finally got one in on my Brother in this debate... We both agreed that Barry Sanders was head and shoulders a superior running back to Emmitt Smith (wasn't hard as he hates the Cowboys)... So I brought up that Smith had three Superbowls and the rushing title and without thinking twice he responded "But that was a team effort to..." As he said it, he realized I had finally had him... It is much the same truth for Brees. For years, especially when it came to Brees' contracts, I'd argue that Brees is the beneficiary of Payton... But now reflecting on Payton's tenure since 2006 with Brees, I now admit I was wrong to criticize Brees to go along with his greed-is-good agent... I've become a more intense follower of the NFL Draft the last twelve years, and I realized it's Payton that's the failure for only winning one with Drew... Payton is a lot like Don Shula who basically go tenure for a SuperBowl win and really has coasted with Brees, and that's a shame to waste Brees talent... Now, like many here, I've high hopes for this squads' success this year, but I no longer extend any slack whatsoever to the Payton-Loomis front office... And when the books are done and it's time to account for Brees' career and success - I will be very unforgiving to Payton-Loomis and the chances they wasted... I googled “top ten QBs of all time” and this was the very first thing that popped up. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...-time.amp.html
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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by SaintSproles Payton is an offensive genius but a mediocre head coach. Half of Drew's time here is non winning seasons, and that is totally unacceptable. Plus the playoff debacles vs the 49ers and Vikings (and Seahawks for that matter). What could have been had we invested in defense, special teams, kicking game, etc. But alas, Payton has been overly consumed with having his high flying offense on display and has largely paid the cost with heart wrenching losses due to terrible support for Brees. I don't know if I would say mediocre. Payton has the 5th highest winning percentage of active coaches in the league @ .600. That's good for 35th in the 98 year history of the NFL. And 7 of the coaches ahead of him only coached for 5 years or less. Of the 4 active coaches with better overall records, only Belichick has a higher playoff winning percentage. *Min 50 games coached saintfan and K Major like this.

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