Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever

ChrisXVI · 10-06-2018, 11:56 AM

Packers fans have started down the same path JP when it comes to Rodgers-McCarthy.

jeanpierre · 10-06-2018, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Packers fans have started down the same path JP when it comes to Rodgers-McCarthy.

Well, I give McCarthy a little more of a break because there you've had a true (not Yes Man) GM than the situation you have in New Orleans...

For years Thompson made the calls come draft day; at least they're smarter when it comes to delegation and division of authority within that organization...

And that's really my pet peeve more than anything...

lee909 · 10-06-2018, 04:14 PM

I really don't care if he breaks the record this week or next week

Win first and if the records falls it falls.

SaintSproles · 10-06-2018, 10:57 PM

I dare someone to find a listing that has Brees in the top 10 best qbs of all time. It doesn't exist.

Is Brees better than Favre? Of course, Brees has a 2.4% interception rate, Favre a gaudy 3.3%. End of discussion.

Is Brees better than Elway? Of course he is. While Elway was a clutch performer late in games, statistically he was not elite even in his generation of Young, Montana and Marino. Not even close in fact.

Is Brees better than Marino? That one is actually a closer call, but the edge still clearly goes to Brees.

There are only 2 qbs clearly ahead of Brees, Brady and Montana and it all has to do with rings.

What Brees will need to do is play another 4 seasons and get to 90,000 yards and 600 TDs and leave no doubt that he belongs in that 3rd spot.

Win another Super Bowl and he immediately moves into the top 5.

Brees has suffered from a lack of support from his teammates, and that sub 60% win rate is weighing him down. Half the seasons not making the playoffs, heavily weighing on his legacy as well. No fault of his own, but it counts against him in the pundits eyes.

It's sad, but it's the way it is.

I personally have him 3rd already.

Destroy all the records and win a second SB and I'd personally have him #1.

SaintGup · 10-08-2018, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by SaintSproles

I dare someone to find a listing that has Brees in the top 10 best qbs of all time. It doesn't exist.

Is Brees better than Favre? Of course, Brees has a 2.4% interception rate, Favre a gaudy 3.3%. End of discussion.

Is Brees better than Elway? Of course he is. While Elway was a clutch performer late in games, statistically he was not elite even in his generation of Young, Montana and Marino. Not even close in fact.

Is Brees better than Marino? That one is actually a closer call, but the edge still clearly goes to Brees.

There are only 2 qbs clearly ahead of Brees, Brady and Montana and it all has to do with rings.

What Brees will need to do is play another 4 seasons and get to 90,000 yards and 600 TDs and leave no doubt that he belongs in that 3rd spot.

Win another Super Bowl and he immediately moves into the top 5.

Brees has suffered from a lack of support from his teammates, and that sub 60% win rate is weighing him down. Half the seasons not making the playoffs, heavily weighing on his legacy as well. No fault of his own, but it counts against him in the pundits eyes.

It's sad, but it's the way it is.

I personally have him 3rd already.

Destroy all the records and win a second SB and I'd personally have him #1.

I tend not to go by rings as that would mean Eli Manning is better and Trent Dilfer on a par. Look at pure Quarterback stats, forget what the team has achieved, and you will find that Brees outstrips them all.

jeanpierre · 10-09-2018, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGup

I tend not to go by rings as that would mean Eli Manning is better and Trent Dilfer on a par. Look at pure Quarterback stats, forget what the team has achieved, and you will find that Brees outstrips them all.

I'd say Eli is better than many, especially G'nats fans and media, judge him to be but certainly not better than Drew nor Peyton...

SaintSproles · 10-09-2018, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd say Eli is better than many, especially G'nats fans and media, judge him to be but certainly not better than Drew nor Peyton...

Eli Manning is totally cow dung.

Do you know that his career QB rating is worse than the NFL average during that time span?

You know what that makes him? Slightly less than mediocre.

The stats say he's mediocre, the eye test certainly says he's at best mediocre.

He should not sniff the HOF. I will be totally disgusted if he makes it.

Rugby Saint II · 10-07-2018, 01:45 PM

It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up.

Utah_Saint · 10-07-2018, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up.

Utah is a NFL black hole so I don't get to hear all the behind the scenes stuff. But from what I read on here,
Loomis is just a yes man
Payton meddles with the defense
And all good draft picks are made by Ireland and all bad draft picks are made by Payton.

Where does all that come from? I don't see anything like that on the national sports reports so I'm assuming it must be something local.

SaintSproles · 10-07-2018, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up.

Payton is an offensive genius but a mediocre head coach.

Half of Drew's time here is non winning seasons, and that is totally unacceptable.

Plus the playoff debacles vs the 49ers and Vikings (and Seahawks for that matter). What could have been had we invested in defense, special teams, kicking game, etc. But alas, Payton has been overly consumed with having his high flying offense on display and has largely paid the cost with heart wrenching losses due to terrible support for Brees.

10-06-2018, 05:08 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Packers fans have started down the same path JP when it comes to Rodgers-McCarthy. Well, I give McCarthy a little more of a break because there you've had a true (not Yes Man) GM than the situation you have in New Orleans... For years Thompson made the calls come draft day; at least they're smarter when it comes to delegation and division of authority within that organization... And that's really my pet peeve more than anything... ChrisXVI likes this.

10-06-2018, 04:14 PM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever I really don't care if he breaks the record this week or next week Win first and if the records falls it falls.

10-06-2018, 10:57 PM	#4
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever I dare someone to find a listing that has Brees in the top 10 best qbs of all time. It doesn't exist. Is Brees better than Favre? Of course, Brees has a 2.4% interception rate, Favre a gaudy 3.3%. End of discussion. Is Brees better than Elway? Of course he is. While Elway was a clutch performer late in games, statistically he was not elite even in his generation of Young, Montana and Marino. Not even close in fact. Is Brees better than Marino? That one is actually a closer call, but the edge still clearly goes to Brees. There are only 2 qbs clearly ahead of Brees, Brady and Montana and it all has to do with rings. What Brees will need to do is play another 4 seasons and get to 90,000 yards and 600 TDs and leave no doubt that he belongs in that 3rd spot. Win another Super Bowl and he immediately moves into the top 5. Brees has suffered from a lack of support from his teammates, and that sub 60% win rate is weighing him down. Half the seasons not making the playoffs, heavily weighing on his legacy as well. No fault of his own, but it counts against him in the pundits eyes. It's sad, but it's the way it is. I personally have him 3rd already. Destroy all the records and win a second SB and I'd personally have him #1.

10-08-2018, 06:17 AM	#5
SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by SaintSproles I dare someone to find a listing that has Brees in the top 10 best qbs of all time. It doesn't exist. Is Brees better than Favre? Of course, Brees has a 2.4% interception rate, Favre a gaudy 3.3%. End of discussion. Is Brees better than Elway? Of course he is. While Elway was a clutch performer late in games, statistically he was not elite even in his generation of Young, Montana and Marino. Not even close in fact. Is Brees better than Marino? That one is actually a closer call, but the edge still clearly goes to Brees. There are only 2 qbs clearly ahead of Brees, Brady and Montana and it all has to do with rings. What Brees will need to do is play another 4 seasons and get to 90,000 yards and 600 TDs and leave no doubt that he belongs in that 3rd spot. Win another Super Bowl and he immediately moves into the top 5. Brees has suffered from a lack of support from his teammates, and that sub 60% win rate is weighing him down. Half the seasons not making the playoffs, heavily weighing on his legacy as well. No fault of his own, but it counts against him in the pundits eyes. It's sad, but it's the way it is. I personally have him 3rd already. Destroy all the records and win a second SB and I'd personally have him #1. I tend not to go by rings as that would mean Eli Manning is better and Trent Dilfer on a par. Look at pure Quarterback stats, forget what the team has achieved, and you will find that Brees outstrips them all.

10-09-2018, 06:46 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by SaintGup I tend not to go by rings as that would mean Eli Manning is better and Trent Dilfer on a par. Look at pure Quarterback stats, forget what the team has achieved, and you will find that Brees outstrips them all. I'd say Eli is better than many, especially G'nats fans and media, judge him to be but certainly not better than Drew nor Peyton...

10-06-2018, 11:56 AM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Packers fans have started down the same path JP when it comes to Rodgers-McCarthy. jeanpierre and K Major like this.

10-09-2018, 09:38 PM	#7
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd say Eli is better than many, especially G'nats fans and media, judge him to be but certainly not better than Drew nor Peyton... Eli Manning is totally cow dung. Do you know that his career QB rating is worse than the NFL average during that time span? You know what that makes him? Slightly less than mediocre. The stats say he's mediocre, the eye test certainly says he's at best mediocre. He should not sniff the HOF. I will be totally disgusted if he makes it. jnormand likes this.

10-07-2018, 01:45 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up.

10-07-2018, 02:55 PM	#9
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up. Utah is a NFL black hole so I don't get to hear all the behind the scenes stuff. But from what I read on here, Loomis is just a yes man Payton meddles with the defense And all good draft picks are made by Ireland and all bad draft picks are made by Payton. Where does all that come from? I don't see anything like that on the national sports reports so I'm assuming it must be something local.

10-07-2018, 05:34 PM	#10
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Unpopular Opinions: Drew Brees is most underrated player ever Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It will be criminal if Drew hangs up his cleats with only one Lombardi! I love Payton, but his yes man Loomis has let him run the program with free reign. Payton is a brilliant offensive strategist but he tinkers with all of our defenses and screws them up. Payton is an offensive genius but a mediocre head coach. Half of Drew's time here is non winning seasons, and that is totally unacceptable. Plus the playoff debacles vs the 49ers and Vikings (and Seahawks for that matter). What could have been had we invested in defense, special teams, kicking game, etc. But alas, Payton has been overly consumed with having his high flying offense on display and has largely paid the cost with heart wrenching losses due to terrible support for Brees.

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