Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed

blackangold · 10-09-2018, 12:45 PM

Need to see how we do in the next 3 games. Looking at the teams we have played so far none of them are top 10 teams. I’d like to see how we play against playoff caliber teams before saying we are the team to beat.

Rugby Saint II · 10-12-2018, 12:59 PM

Our safeties are not impressive at all. We just don't have the help over-the-top that we did last year. I blame Dennis Allen for being too creative and confusing his players.

K Major · 10-12-2018, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Our safeties are not impressive at all. We just don't have the help over-the-top that we did last year. I blame Dennis Allen for being too creative and confusing his players.

Last two games Dennis has made better adjustments with pass coverage though. Having two very good DE's will make up for a struggling secondary.

It's not that we don't have talent, it's scheme.

saintfan · 10-12-2018, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Last two games Dennis has made better adjustments with pass coverage though. Having two very good DE's will make up for a struggling secondary.

It's not that we don't have talent, it's scheme.

Definitely scheme if you ask me - but I'm no expert. I just can't believe we don't have the talent.

AsylumGuido · 10-12-2018, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Definitely scheme if you ask me - but I'm no expert. I just can't believe we don't have the talent.

The talent is there. They proved that the last part of last season. Additional talent is now in place. It was definitely scheme ... and perhaps some chemistry. Inserting Coleman into the mix in place of Vacarro had to have had an effect. And the jostling at the LB position.

jeanpierre · 10-13-2018, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Our safeties are not impressive at all. We just don't have the help over-the-top that we did last year. I blame Dennis Allen for being too creative and confusing his players.

There it is right there. As our late Brother, Hagan was oft to say square pegs, round holes...

The criticism of Kurt Coleman is not accurately warranted because his best years were as a cover-2 safety, and Dennis Allen is scheming him in an alien way...

Mr. Marcus is late on so many plays this year so I'm not buying he forgot how to be a great safety in one season - it's the scheme, it's on Allen & Payton...

SaintSproles · 10-12-2018, 10:29 PM

Baltimore is a huge test.

We've seen dynamic offensive performances at home in prime time before only to be followed up by a dud on the road. That's happened far too often for my liking during the Payton era.

Baltimore has a solid defense and our offensive line will need to carry over what we did vs Washington.

ChrisXVI · 10-13-2018, 10:08 AM

I like how we’re establishing tendencies right now with Taysom Hill so that we can change it up later in the season and catch teams off-guard. Right now, defenses know Hill is going to keep it on the read-option. As the season goes on and teams think they know what’s coming when Hill is in the game... That’s when we call a play-action pass. The defense will come up to stop Taysom Hill the runner and someone will slip behind the defense for the deep ball.

jeanpierre · 10-16-2018, 03:01 PM

Though, in the end, it's a week-to-week league of matchups, was encouraged that the Redskins physically whooped the Panthers...

10-09-2018, 12:45 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed Need to see how we do in the next 3 games. Looking at the teams we have played so far none of them are top 10 teams. I’d like to see how we play against playoff caliber teams before saying we are the team to beat. saintfan likes this.

10-12-2018, 12:59 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed Our safeties are not impressive at all. We just don't have the help over-the-top that we did last year. I blame Dennis Allen for being too creative and confusing his players. WillMacKenzie, K Major and MarchingOn like this.

10-12-2018, 01:58 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Our safeties are not impressive at all. We just don't have the help over-the-top that we did last year. I blame Dennis Allen for being too creative and confusing his players. Last two games Dennis has made better adjustments with pass coverage though. Having two very good DE's will make up for a struggling secondary. It's not that we don't have talent, it's scheme. saintfan, SaintFanInATLHELL, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

10-12-2018, 03:07 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed Originally Posted by K Major Last two games Dennis has made better adjustments with pass coverage though. Having two very good DE's will make up for a struggling secondary. It's not that we don't have talent, it's scheme. Definitely scheme if you ask me - but I'm no expert. I just can't believe we don't have the talent.

10-12-2018, 04:31 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed Originally Posted by saintfan Definitely scheme if you ask me - but I'm no expert. I just can't believe we don't have the talent. The talent is there. They proved that the last part of last season. Additional talent is now in place. It was definitely scheme ... and perhaps some chemistry. Inserting Coleman into the mix in place of Vacarro had to have had an effect. And the jostling at the LB position. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-13-2018, 03:10 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Our safeties are not impressive at all. We just don't have the help over-the-top that we did last year. I blame Dennis Allen for being too creative and confusing his players. There it is right there. As our late Brother, Hagan was oft to say square pegs, round holes... The criticism of Kurt Coleman is not accurately warranted because his best years were as a cover-2 safety, and Dennis Allen is scheming him in an alien way... Mr. Marcus is late on so many plays this year so I'm not buying he forgot how to be a great safety in one season - it's the scheme, it's on Allen & Payton...

10-12-2018, 10:29 PM	#7
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed Baltimore is a huge test. We've seen dynamic offensive performances at home in prime time before only to be followed up by a dud on the road. That's happened far too often for my liking during the Payton era. Baltimore has a solid defense and our offensive line will need to carry over what we did vs Washington. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-13-2018, 10:08 AM	#8
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed I like how we’re establishing tendencies right now with Taysom Hill so that we can change it up later in the season and catch teams off-guard. Right now, defenses know Hill is going to keep it on the read-option. As the season goes on and teams think they know what’s coming when Hill is in the game... That’s when we call a play-action pass. The defense will come up to stop Taysom Hill the runner and someone will slip behind the defense for the deep ball. jeanpierre likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: Saints starting to look like contenders after win over Redskins; here's what's changed Though, in the end, it's a week-to-week league of matchups, was encouraged that the Redskins physically whooped the Panthers...

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