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I’m happy we made the move and trust staff that he’s the right fit. Besides I’m sure Payton and Co did their research during his draft process anyway.

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PFF has him rated as the 55th best CB, Crawley is at 105th for comparison.

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I don't really care for this trade.

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If he's average at CB we are good. This could end up being huge. We didn't lose The Crawley so we didn't get any worse...it either improves or remains the same

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Maybe that 75 yard drive by Flacco in less than 60 seconds & subsequent TD was the last straw for Sean ?

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That's true, but I feel like we could have gotten someone better for the same price. I think we made a bad talent evaluation here. I hope I'm wrong.

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Hey I wish I could argue one way or the other. I don't know enough. From whhat I am reading is he has been a good teammate this year and has been dedicated. So let's hope him and ML ball out

This could be the best tandem we have had at CB in the history of SP. If he does workout this could boost us to the SB

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I'm glad to see they recognized a weakness and went out to find a solution! I'm hoping for the best here, as I was not high on him after watching a few highlights from the Falcons game last night. Let's hope Aaron Glenn can show him a few tricks and DA scheme is a good fit. Got to be better than our current weak link.

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Not what I am reading...

But change is good for some players lets hope this change is good.

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I dont know enough one way or the other but some video had him being complimented by coaches etc

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We will owe him 1 million this year; somewhere around 2.5 million next season and have the 5th year option 2 seasons from now... VERY affordable!


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Specifically who were you thinking?

I'm not inside the Saints front office however getting Apple for a 4th (see Rick Leonard) & 7th seems like great value to me.

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Here's his salary.
@MikeTriplett: Saints will owe Eli Apple about $1 million this year, about $2.5 million next year and have the fifth-year option if they decide to keep him in 2020 ($$ amount not set yet, bu would include a hefty raise)

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Hey that's me!

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I think PJ (UFA) is done in NO after this season.

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Too much is being made of his off field stuff
Nobody knows how he was treated by the players,coaching staff etc in New York. Not one of them has had boo to say when OBJ talks crap or acts the diva, yet they spole on Apple, a easy target. Maybe he does have some growing up to do,maybe he was used as a scapegoat for a awful team. Thing is if he was a locker room issue waiting to blow you would think that one of the 3 former college teammates would have been spoke to. The guys 23,been in the league a couple of years of course he has some maturing to do. He will be in a winning team,out of New York and with former teammates, it could well be the stage he needs to progress. And if its not then they have lost a 4th rounder for a half season rental and they'll cut him in the offseason or next year. He was a high first round pick for a reason

Same as everyone here, i would have preffered Peterson, but i also wanted Peters last summer(actually i wanted him drafted the year he came out) but the cost would have been huge for a team with little draft capital and little space to move for the cap if they want to fill some gaps next year and keep Bridgewater and Brees on board.

I think he will give a few penalties away but he has the height needed for the NFC South and if he can just avoid getting burnt his side he will get the help on the backend from Williams.

Hopefully with him and Robinson being close to a return we can see some improved play.

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Another stat: Saints CBs have allowed a 72% catch percentage against them while Apple has allowed a 56% catch percentage...

That 72% also includes Lattimore :doh:


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I think the last few weeks have been better
Though im stuck without gamepass at the moment so just watching highlights and redzone. But they look to be getting caught far more in zone than man 2 man?

What are peoples thoughts on Coleman and Bell
I actually think we are missing Kenny, the guy was far from perfect but could do a bit of everything when fit. Looks to me one of the areas that needs looking at next offseason alongside a capable pass catching TE for the long term

Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints
 

Agreed. Everybody has personal issues. He's 23. He appears to have humbled himself and got back to work. There is nothing there not to respect.

I think we need not dwell on any of that unless he regresses somehow. People here I trust say he's an upgrade. So do the numbers. I'm satisfied. Now let's go kick the :censored: out of the queens.

:bng:

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I wonder what’s the chances we see him in action against the Queens? Or how long it takes him to get up to speed?


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I happy with the attempt to get better. We are all in this season and we had to get help in the secondary. A 4th rd pick for a CB with talent and could be a starter is worth the gamble.

I wanted P2 bad....but their was no way we could pull that off without seriously over compensating Arizona. They seem to be sticking to their guns about not trading him.

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I like the move for a couple of reasons. One, we identified a clear need and addressed it rapidly with talent. I also like that Apple has a previous relationship with Lattimore and possibly Bell (not sure if their collegiate careers overlapped at all- but they are OU alumni if nothing else). Apple has first round grade talent and potential unrealized at this point. I think our locker room and defensive unit has the ability and mentality to help him improve his game. Depth and health at CB has been and could be an issue so this benefits our secondary overall. We are all in to win over this year and next so adding any immediate contributor is a bonus.

His maturity and off field concerns are an issue that I hope become a non-issue with the change of scenery, familiar faces, winning mentality and leadership of this team.

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I haven’t had enough time to read through the whole thread yet... I’m guessing there’s quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the move.

I don’t have any issue with it. Sure it’s underwhelming compared to Patrick Peterson, but come on- we don’t have the ammo for that. Welcome aboard Eli!

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I’m not ready to write PJ off just yet...he is one of the best tackling CBs we have. I wouldn’t mind seeing if he could transition to a Safety position like Jenkins did. He has the size and speed to do so being that he is very physical.

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Kind of hard for me only because of Dennis Allen's game strategy. IIRC we rushed 2 guys & kept 6 back in zone, leaving Bell (not a true deep safety) to cover half a field by himself. I've never seen a team drop two defensive tackles drop in coverage to cover no one. Some of the defensive play calling is puzzling to me.

Trust me, I'm elated with the wins despite the defense falling apart at the end of close games. Eventually the odds will catch up with us unless it's fixed.

Side note - so far Coleman is looking like money wasted, however I'm hopeful he turns a corner.

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I would add, players are normal people too. The Giants suck the big one, and isn't Spags still the DC? I am willing to give him a chance. Playing for a loosing team vs playing for a winner should make an impact. I am just glad we didn't sit still and do nothing. Yeah, I wanted PP as well but as has been mentioned, the Cards wanted way more than we were able to give.

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Oooooohhhhhh lol

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Thinking the same that brown freebee td I don’t no if crawley or bell blew it or Markus it blew someone’s pipe tar to the ceiling

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Could thing is with the cap savings we can go and get Honey Badger next summer

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How can it be wrong if the guy rates the best half of all corners 32 teamsx2= 64 starting corners now on the mental side he might be what ur saying hitta

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And he will make a teeth shattering hit on somebody

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When we agree, we agree wholeheartedly. This is EXACTLY how I feel.

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Yes sir.

DA gameplan is confusing as hell to me.

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Theilen is taking candy every week week latomore will keep him in honest mode we need help with diggs if I’m saying this right

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Has Coleman even been on the field much? He has 12 tackles on the year, zero sacks, zero interceptions, zero fumble recoveries. I can't recall hearing his name called in a single game.