Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?

SmashMouth · 11-23-2018, 09:01 PM

Against teams with a record of 4-6 or better (8 games), they've given up 32.4 (!!) points per game, including 45 to the Saints and 51 (!!) at HOME against the Chiefs. They had a grand total of 0 (!!) sacks against the Saints, yet every single media member outside of NOLA beat writers still drools over Aaron Donald and Marcus Peters.

Saints defense by comparison has given up 19.6 PPG against teams 4-6 or better in 6 games.

The Dude · 11-23-2018, 09:21 PM

They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost.
Their home field advantage sucks too.
I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us.
Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

Utah_Saint · 11-24-2018, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost.
Their home field advantage sucks too.
I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us.
Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case.

Conference tie breakers
Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season).
Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season).
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games

The Dude · 11-24-2018, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case.

Conference tie breakers
Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season).
Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season).
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games

Forgot about the bye. Good. All is well.

WillSaints81 · 11-25-2018, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case.

Conference tie breakers
Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season).
Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season).
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games

I should have read the follow up comments.

hitta · 11-25-2018, 03:43 AM

I'm pretty confident that the Bears are going to beat the Rams. If the Rams get stuck in snow, they are screwed.

SmashMouth · 11-25-2018, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I'm pretty confident that the Bears are going to beat the Rams. If the Rams get stuck in snow, they are screwed.

Rams can't play in a real outdoor stadium... that's the narrative, right?

st thomas · 11-26-2018, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I'm pretty confident that the Bears are going to beat the Rams. If the Rams get stuck in snow, they are screwed.

With chase Daniels? Maybe but not likely they need trebisksy

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-24-2018, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us. Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

Each win is worth a 1/2 game when the losses are equal. At 10-1 the Rams had 5 games. At 9-1 (at the time) the Saints had 4.5 games. That's why the Rams were in the #1 slot. Our win Thursday pulled the records even. Then the tiebreakers kick in. We have the #1 tiebreaker: head to head.

Ties are the same BTW. Worth a 1/2 win. That's why Minnesota at 5-4-1 are ahead of the teams that are 5-5.

SFIAH

SaintGup · 11-24-2018, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost.
Their home field advantage sucks too.
I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us.
Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

They are not ahead of us. We hold the number one seed at the moment.

11-23-2018, 09:21 PM	#2
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11-24-2018, 08:53 AM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"? Originally Posted by The Dude They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost. Their home field advantage sucks too. I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us. Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts. They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case. Conference tie breakers Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season). Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season). Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games SaintFanInATLHELL and RockyMountainSaint like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case. Conference tie breakers Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season). Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season). Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games Forgot about the bye. Good. All is well.
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11-25-2018, 12:55 AM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case. Conference tie breakers Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season). Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season). Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games I should have read the follow up comments.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"? Against teams with a record of 4-6 or better (8 games), they've given up 32.4 (!!) points per game, including 45 to the Saints and 51 (!!) at HOME against the Chiefs. They had a grand total of 0 (!!) sacks against the Saints, yet every single media member outside of NOLA beat writers still drools over Aaron Donald and Marcus Peters. Saints defense by comparison has given up 19.6 PPG against teams 4-6 or better in 6 games. jnormand and RockyMountainSaint like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"? Originally Posted by hitta I'm pretty confident that the Bears are going to beat the Rams. If the Rams get stuck in snow, they are screwed. Rams can't play in a real outdoor stadium... that's the narrative, right?

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"? Originally Posted by hitta I'm pretty confident that the Bears are going to beat the Rams. If the Rams get stuck in snow, they are screwed. With chase Daniels? Maybe but not likely they need trebisksy

11-24-2018, 09:16 AM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"? Originally Posted by The Dude I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us. Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts. Each win is worth a 1/2 game when the losses are equal. At 10-1 the Rams had 5 games. At 9-1 (at the time) the Saints had 4.5 games. That's why the Rams were in the #1 slot. Our win Thursday pulled the records even. Then the tiebreakers kick in. We have the #1 tiebreaker: head to head. Ties are the same BTW. Worth a 1/2 win. That's why Minnesota at 5-4-1 are ahead of the teams that are 5-5. SFIAH

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SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"? Originally Posted by The Dude They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost. Their home field advantage sucks too. I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us. Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts. They are not ahead of us. We hold the number one seed at the moment.

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