Refs

Srgt. Hulka · 01-21-2019, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

These refs need to spend practice time together for conditioning and eye exams! Most of these guys are older. Maybe we need a referee youth movement where the NFL can train these referees to get the call right.

I referee rugby matches and we are human.....but missing two calls on the same play is inexcusable!

No...SEVEN officials missing two calls is inexcusable. Every one of those officials has a flag tucked in his belt, and any one of the seven could have thrown a flag on either of the penalties. That, to me, is 14 missed calls. THAT is inexcusable.

Rugby Saint II · 01-28-2019, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

No...SEVEN officials missing two calls is inexcusable. Every one of those officials has a flag tucked in his belt, and any one of the seven could have thrown a flag on either of the penalties. That, to me, is 14 missed calls. THAT is inexcusable.

You tell 'em girl friend!

SaintKane · 01-21-2019, 04:33 PM

For those asking for names and addresses of the Referees involved in the most egregious officiating gaffe in NFL history, here they are

CONTENT REMOVED

(notice anything fishy about those 3 addresses)

Cavaletto is SJ 60 in the video
Turner is DJ 13
Vinovich was head official who claims he hasn't yet watched the play

Please don't send these guys death threats cause after all it's just a game, but maybe thousands of strongly worded letters over the next year can make these clowns feel as ****ty as we are all feeling today.

neugey · 01-21-2019, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by SaintKane

For those asking for names and addresses of the Referees involved in the most egregious officiating gaffe in NFL history, here they are

(notice anything fishy about those 3 addresses)

Cavaletto is SJ 60 in the video
Turner is DJ 13
Vinovich was head official who claims he hasn't yet watched the play

Please don't send these guys death threats cause after all it's just a game, but maybe thousands of strongly worded letters over the next year can make these clowns feel as ****ty as we are all feeling today.

For me, part of the aging process is realizing when I am powerless. The whole "God give me the serenity ..." thing. This is one of those situations. It's not worth wasting the cost of a stamp.

OldMaid · 01-28-2019, 10:01 AM

Pardon my awful typos. I need to take autocorrect off. It corrects things that do not need to be corrected.

hitta · 01-28-2019, 01:24 PM

Now that I've watched the supposed face mask penalty several times, I'm convinced that it is a borderline play at best. I heard all last week how we got the benefit of the doubt on that call, and somehow it evened things out. In my view this isn't a facemask penalty, but it is very subjective. The hand lets go of the face mask a moment after it is grabbed. I don't even think the grab is what caused the helmet to turn, but the force of the arm and hand going against the helmet. I think more officials would not call that then actually call it.

dskyyksd · 01-28-2019, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

Now that I've watched the supposed face mask penalty several times, I'm convinced that it is a borderline play at best. I heard all last week how we got the benefit of the doubt on that call, and somehow it evened things out. In my view this isn't a facemask penalty, but it is very subjective. The hand lets go of the face mask a moment after it is grabbed. I don't even think the grab is what caused the helmet to turn, but the force of the arm and hand going against the helmet. I think more officials would not call that then actually call it.

The potential face mask was one of the borderline calls they weren't making all game. That was consistent with how they were calling the game. But you can't not throw a flag on the play that threw the game. What I haven't heard anyone else say is that not only were there multiple penalties on the play, but also BOTH penalties should have been assessed because one of them was a personal foul. That would have left the ball at the one-and-a-half yard line, first and goal.

SmashMouth · 01-29-2019, 07:33 AM

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saintsfan1976 · 01-29-2019, 10:25 AM

I want to be clear. IMO, The game was officiated unfairly and in favor of the Rams. People can argue we had chances and I agree we did not do enough but in the end a magnifying glass must be placed on the league and it’s extreme failure to “get it right”.

This article sums up just how many “human errors” affected a CHAMPIONSHIP game.

https://www.thespax.com/nfl/debunkin...ciated-fairly/

AsylumGuido · 01-29-2019, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I want to be clear. IMO, The game was officiated unfairly and in favor of the Rams. People can argue we had chances and I agree we did not do enough but in the end a magnifying glass must be placed on the league and it’s extreme failure to “get it right”.

This article sums up just how many “human errors” affected a CHAMPIONSHIP game.

https://www.thespax.com/nfl/debunkin...ciated-fairly/

Everyone PLEASE read this article so you can be informed. These are all of the EXACT same arguments I have been making with people claiming "the Saints had their chances" and "the officiating was fair to both sides". Among other things, it describes how the now famous picture of four plays where the Rams were supposedly "robbed" is full of crap.

I know some people can only read headlines normally, but it is worth the minute and a half it should take to read.

01-21-2019, 01:45 PM	#1
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Re: Refs Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II These refs need to spend practice time together for conditioning and eye exams! Most of these guys are older. Maybe we need a referee youth movement where the NFL can train these referees to get the call right. I referee rugby matches and we are human.....but missing two calls on the same play is inexcusable! No...SEVEN officials missing two calls is inexcusable. Every one of those officials has a flag tucked in his belt, and any one of the seven could have thrown a flag on either of the penalties. That, to me, is 14 missed calls. THAT is inexcusable. neugey, OldMaid and K Major like this.

01-28-2019, 01:06 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: Refs Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka No...SEVEN officials missing two calls is inexcusable. Every one of those officials has a flag tucked in his belt, and any one of the seven could have thrown a flag on either of the penalties. That, to me, is 14 missed calls. THAT is inexcusable. You tell 'em girl friend! Srgt. Hulka likes this.

01-21-2019, 04:33 PM	#3
SaintKane Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7	Re: Refs For those asking for names and addresses of the Referees involved in the most egregious officiating gaffe in NFL history, here they are CONTENT REMOVED (notice anything fishy about those 3 addresses) Cavaletto is SJ 60 in the video Turner is DJ 13 Vinovich was head official who claims he hasn't yet watched the play Please don't send these guys death threats cause after all it's just a game, but maybe thousands of strongly worded letters over the next year can make these clowns feel as ****ty as we are all feeling today.
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01-21-2019, 07:19 PM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,879 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Refs Originally Posted by SaintKane For those asking for names and addresses of the Referees involved in the most egregious officiating gaffe in NFL history, here they are (notice anything fishy about those 3 addresses) Cavaletto is SJ 60 in the video Turner is DJ 13 Vinovich was head official who claims he hasn't yet watched the play Please don't send these guys death threats cause after all it's just a game, but maybe thousands of strongly worded letters over the next year can make these clowns feel as ****ty as we are all feeling today. For me, part of the aging process is realizing when I am powerless. The whole "God give me the serenity ..." thing. This is one of those situations. It's not worth wasting the cost of a stamp.
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01-28-2019, 10:01 AM	#5
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01-28-2019, 01:24 PM	#6
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,343	Re: Refs Now that I've watched the supposed face mask penalty several times, I'm convinced that it is a borderline play at best. I heard all last week how we got the benefit of the doubt on that call, and somehow it evened things out. In my view this isn't a facemask penalty, but it is very subjective. The hand lets go of the face mask a moment after it is grabbed. I don't even think the grab is what caused the helmet to turn, but the force of the arm and hand going against the helmet. I think more officials would not call that then actually call it.
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01-28-2019, 08:25 PM	#7
dskyyksd Registered Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 73	Re: Refs Originally Posted by hitta Now that I've watched the supposed face mask penalty several times, I'm convinced that it is a borderline play at best. I heard all last week how we got the benefit of the doubt on that call, and somehow it evened things out. In my view this isn't a facemask penalty, but it is very subjective. The hand lets go of the face mask a moment after it is grabbed. I don't even think the grab is what caused the helmet to turn, but the force of the arm and hand going against the helmet. I think more officials would not call that then actually call it. The potential face mask was one of the borderline calls they weren't making all game. That was consistent with how they were calling the game. But you can't not throw a flag on the play that threw the game. What I haven't heard anyone else say is that not only were there multiple penalties on the play, but also BOTH penalties should have been assessed because one of them was a personal foul. That would have left the ball at the one-and-a-half yard line, first and goal.
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01-29-2019, 07:33 AM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,131 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Refs Twitter saintsfan1976 likes this.

01-29-2019, 10:25 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,081 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Refs I want to be clear. IMO, The game was officiated unfairly and in favor of the Rams. People can argue we had chances and I agree we did not do enough but in the end a magnifying glass must be placed on the league and it’s extreme failure to “get it right”. This article sums up just how many “human errors” affected a CHAMPIONSHIP game. https://www.thespax.com/nfl/debunkin...ciated-fairly/ AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-29-2019, 12:50 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Refs Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I want to be clear. IMO, The game was officiated unfairly and in favor of the Rams. People can argue we had chances and I agree we did not do enough but in the end a magnifying glass must be placed on the league and it’s extreme failure to “get it right”. This article sums up just how many “human errors” affected a CHAMPIONSHIP game. https://www.thespax.com/nfl/debunkin...ciated-fairly/ Everyone PLEASE read this article so you can be informed. These are all of the EXACT same arguments I have been making with people claiming "the Saints had their chances" and "the officiating was fair to both sides". Among other things, it describes how the now famous picture of four plays where the Rams were supposedly "robbed" is full of crap. I know some people can only read headlines normally, but it is worth the minute and a half it should take to read. saintsfan1976 likes this.