Anyone still want Josh Rosen?

ScottF · 02-28-2019, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I thought Josh Allen would be the best QB of that class.

but Rosen's name is so much cooler:

Joshua Ballinger Lippincott Rosen

K Major · 02-28-2019, 08:37 AM

Kind of pre mature with the "bust" talk on Rosen. Before people dump on the kid, has anyone seen that offensive line he had in 2018? ... It's "offensive".

Does Kingsbury really expect the likes of a TINY Kyler Murray (if they select him) to save this team? That Cardinals O line has got to be one of, if not the worst in the league.

Build around him. They need help.

ScottF · 02-28-2019, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Kind of pre mature with the "bust" talk on Rosen. Before people dump on the kid, has anyone seen that offensive line he had in 2018? ... It's "offensive".

Does Kingsbury really expect the likes of a TINY Kyler Murray (if they select him) to save this team? That Cardinals O line has got to be one of, if not the worst in the league.

Build around him. They need help.

Hard to believe that the Klingsbury hiring will get them going in the right direction, and drafting Murray would be another step backwards

Rugby Saint II · 02-28-2019, 12:35 PM

Arizona...…..hey, at least it's not Cincinnati!

CHA_CHING · 02-28-2019, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Kind of pre mature with the "bust" talk on Rosen. Before people dump on the kid, has anyone seen that offensive line he had in 2018? ... It's "offensive".

Does Kingsbury really expect the likes of a TINY Kyler Murray (if they select him) to save this team? That Cardinals O line has got to be one of, if not the worst in the league.

Build around him. They need help.

Good points. I believe Rosen was put in a horrible situation being drafted by a team that is completely dysfunctional.

It could get better for him though. Remember Alex Smith in those early years with SF? Many of us thought he was a bust early on, yet as his career went on, he had some decent years. He even had a good year as a game manager in SF. Andy Reid got the best out of Smith IMO. Maybe Rosen could get a coach like Reid later on that helps him.

Crusader · 03-01-2019, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I thought Josh Allen would be the best QB of that class.

Well he still have plenty of time to become the best. For now its Mayfield in the drivers seat by a mile.

Darnold, Allen and Rosen all had pretty much the same stats passing. They all looked decent at times but they need more wapons around them.

BakoSaint · 04-23-2019, 12:43 AM

Didn’t Drew Brees have a slow start his first couple years and get replaced by another QB in the draft? If Payton likes Rosen I think something could happen because I think after Arizona drafts Murray it is possible they could trade Rosen for a 2020 3rd round pick and a capable backup QB. Rookie Rosen is better than rookie Goff and Payton is better than McVay. Either of our backups would be good to pair with Murray. We dont have the picks to get an elite QB to replace Brees unless we shop second hand.

Beastmode · 04-23-2019, 06:11 AM

I recall Payton Manning's first year. When he screwed up (often) it was written off as rookie mistakes in that 3-13 season.

Brees was not the starter his rookie campaign. Doug Flutie commanded the ship. Brees didn't turn the corner for a few years. He wasn't written off either until the injury.

Mayfield was not the starter either. Then they had a coaching change mid season and a starting RB change in Chubb. Totally changed the dynamics of that team.

Rosen will be fine. He needs time to develop and a better organization. I agree though, he looks like a damp firecracker right now but not any different than Manning and Brees out the gate.

As for his hat politics, nobody cares about hats. I hate the hats of all teams we play.

Beastmode · 04-23-2019, 10:04 AM

Rosen was one of the top teen tennis players in the country. One point he was ranked 10th. Isn't Brees a damn good tennis player. Seems like I read that somewhere.

Obviously different sports but there is a connection with agility, accuracy, intelligence with QB and tennis.

K Major · 04-23-2019, 10:18 AM

It appears Rosen is already toast in AZ. The fact that "they want him gone" says a lot of how they feel about his play.

This close to the draft, everything we've read or heard could be a smokescreen.

To be continued ...

02-28-2019, 08:34 AM	#11
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I thought Josh Allen would be the best QB of that class. but Rosen's name is so much cooler: Joshua Ballinger Lippincott Rosen

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? Kind of pre mature with the "bust" talk on Rosen. Before people dump on the kid, has anyone seen that offensive line he had in 2018? ... It's "offensive". Does Kingsbury really expect the likes of a TINY Kyler Murray (if they select him) to save this team? That Cardinals O line has got to be one of, if not the worst in the league. Build around him. They need help. CHA_CHING likes this.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? Originally Posted by K Major Kind of pre mature with the "bust" talk on Rosen. Before people dump on the kid, has anyone seen that offensive line he had in 2018? ... It's "offensive". Does Kingsbury really expect the likes of a TINY Kyler Murray (if they select him) to save this team? That Cardinals O line has got to be one of, if not the worst in the league. Build around him. They need help. Hard to believe that the Klingsbury hiring will get them going in the right direction, and drafting Murray would be another step backwards

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CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? Originally Posted by K Major Kind of pre mature with the "bust" talk on Rosen. Before people dump on the kid, has anyone seen that offensive line he had in 2018? ... It's "offensive". Does Kingsbury really expect the likes of a TINY Kyler Murray (if they select him) to save this team? That Cardinals O line has got to be one of, if not the worst in the league. Build around him. They need help. Good points. I believe Rosen was put in a horrible situation being drafted by a team that is completely dysfunctional. It could get better for him though. Remember Alex Smith in those early years with SF? Many of us thought he was a bust early on, yet as his career went on, he had some decent years. He even had a good year as a game manager in SF. Andy Reid got the best out of Smith IMO. Maybe Rosen could get a coach like Reid later on that helps him.

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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I thought Josh Allen would be the best QB of that class. Well he still have plenty of time to become the best. For now its Mayfield in the drivers seat by a mile. Darnold, Allen and Rosen all had pretty much the same stats passing. They all looked decent at times but they need more wapons around them.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? Didn’t Drew Brees have a slow start his first couple years and get replaced by another QB in the draft? If Payton likes Rosen I think something could happen because I think after Arizona drafts Murray it is possible they could trade Rosen for a 2020 3rd round pick and a capable backup QB. Rookie Rosen is better than rookie Goff and Payton is better than McVay. Either of our backups would be good to pair with Murray. We dont have the picks to get an elite QB to replace Brees unless we shop second hand. foreverfan and MarchingOn like this.
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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? I recall Payton Manning's first year. When he screwed up (often) it was written off as rookie mistakes in that 3-13 season. Brees was not the starter his rookie campaign. Doug Flutie commanded the ship. Brees didn't turn the corner for a few years. He wasn't written off either until the injury. Mayfield was not the starter either. Then they had a coaching change mid season and a starting RB change in Chubb. Totally changed the dynamics of that team. Rosen will be fine. He needs time to develop and a better organization. I agree though, he looks like a damp firecracker right now but not any different than Manning and Brees out the gate. As for his hat politics, nobody cares about hats. I hate the hats of all teams we play. Crusader likes this.
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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? Rosen was one of the top teen tennis players in the country. One point he was ranked 10th. Isn't Brees a damn good tennis player. Seems like I read that somewhere. Obviously different sports but there is a connection with agility, accuracy, intelligence with QB and tennis.
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04-23-2019, 10:18 AM	#20
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Anyone still want Josh Rosen? It appears Rosen is already toast in AZ. The fact that "they want him gone" says a lot of how they feel about his play. This close to the draft, everything we've read or heard could be a smokescreen. To be continued ...

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