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RefsRobbedUs 03-12-2019 11:28 AM

Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Four-year, $14.4 million contract. Sold signing this obviously means Ingram is gone.

saintsfan1976 03-12-2019 11:45 AM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
I like it. History aside, Ingram is a widget. Nonsense in overpaying for a cog. Goood luck Mark but we need a solid O line

K Major 03-12-2019 11:48 AM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs (Post 840114)
Four-year, $14.4 million contract. Sold signing this obviously means Ingram is gone.

Saints probably just couldn't or willing to match a contract from other suitors.

The financial folks probably gave MI a number and a deadline. Unfortunate we'll lose Mark but the NFL is a business.

I wish Mark well wherever he lands though. He gave 100% on every down.

neugey 03-12-2019 11:50 AM

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Not bad. Maybe Murray is a bit undervalued running behind a bad o-line in Minnesota and not really having a lot of offensive weapons around him back in his Oakland days.

We'll lose Ingram's reliability in pass blocking and catching, but Murray is a bigger back and more difficult to bring down. Could help wear down opponents in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

frydaddy 03-12-2019 11:54 AM

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Uh..k

GeauxForMore 03-12-2019 12:00 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Man had a feeling he was gone. Happy we didnt over pay.

ScottF 03-12-2019 12:01 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Ingram probably is going to get double that

good value with LM

lumm0x 03-12-2019 12:06 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Kamara can do it all and better than most. Only concern is his size and his ability to remain healthy with that kind of work load. Any RB we have on the roster with him is nothing more than an insurance policy. May as well buy the cheaper one.

Good luck to Ingram. He was a solid player and good guy and wish him the best.

turbo_dog 03-12-2019 12:08 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
I'm not a fan of this move. I realize Ingram probably wanted more money than he's worth, given his percentage of touches. Still, he was one of the best for the locker room chemistry. And Murray in no way will fill Ingram's shoes.

SaintFanQ 03-12-2019 12:14 PM

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Well I wish MI luck and thank him for all he has done for our club, also welcome aboard Mr Murray!

GEAUX SAINTS! WHO DAT!

saintsfan1976 03-12-2019 12:18 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 840135)
I'm not a fan of this move. I realize Ingram probably wanted more money than he's worth, given his percentage of touches. Still, he was one of the best for the locker room chemistry. And Murray in no way will fill Ingram's shoes.

Stats are virtually identical. Why over pay?

SmashMouth 03-12-2019 12:23 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs (Post 840114)
Four-year, $14.4 million contract. Sold signing this obviously means Ingram is gone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 840123)
I like it. History aside, Ingram is a widget. Nonsense in overpaying for a cog. Goood luck Mark but we need a solid O line

Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 840124)
Saints probably just couldn't or willing to match a contract from other suitors.

The financial folks probably gave MI a number and a deadline. Unfortunate we'll lose Mark but the NFL is a business.

I wish Mark well wherever he lands though. He gave 100% on every down.

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 840138)
Stats are virtually identical. Why over pay?

We overpaid to get Ingram in the beginning with the multiple draft picks. And he took his sweet time developing. So he owes us a hometown discount. His locker room presence has value, but not at an inflated price. If he does sign elsewhere, best of luck to him.

Rsanders24 03-12-2019 12:25 PM

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It’s a huge gamble...I just hope it pays off. I don’t like the idea of messing with our core offensive players but I trust the staff to make the right decision. I just hope Murray can pick up the offense quickly and contribute immediately.

brees84 03-12-2019 12:31 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 840138)
Stats are virtually identical. Why over pay?


Also it will be Kamara show. Dude is too good to be just 3rd down back. You don't pay 7-8 mil per year for 2nd option at RB position. Can't blame Mark, you have to take the money in this situation. Overall Mark is better player than Murray but Murray excels in things we need the most with Kamara as lead back. That's power running between the tackles and 3&1, 4&1 situations.

ScottF 03-12-2019 12:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 840135)
I'm not a fan of this move. I realize Ingram probably wanted more money than he's worth, given his percentage of touches. Still, he was one of the best for the locker room chemistry. And Murray in no way will fill Ingram's shoes.

Need to separate the man from the myth ->

Reality; he had a solid, unspectacular career and was paid well. If GB or someone else wants to give a 29yr old with 6000 career yards a 6 million dollar contract, so be it. We just got younger, bigger, cheaper

ChrisXVI 03-12-2019 01:13 PM

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Taking the emotion out of it, I’m fine with Murray as our #2 RB and he’s coming cheap.

Putting the emotion back into it... Don’t go Mark! I’m going to miss him so much.

voodooido 03-12-2019 01:32 PM

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Good pounding rb to spell AK. I hate losing MIA but Murray is a good replacement

jeanpierre 03-12-2019 01:34 PM

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Like Smash, I hated how we acquired Ingram - not the man, well, I hated his TD spasm dance, but I liked his team-first energy, spirit...

But the impact in acquiring him arguably cost four add'l high picks (one R1, three R2s) plus the first used if you factor the Belichick Trade (R2, FR1) and then Bountygate Penalty likely would have been only a first...

His production was awful for the initial investment, he barely justified one third round pick; but over fiver years he finally became the lead back we'd sought and I felt re-signing him as we did was the right move...

Was in favor of keeping him again, had his costs been the same with a raise for the adjustment for the cap inflation, but, alas, it is what it is...

Beastmode 03-12-2019 01:51 PM

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Slight downgrade but great value. I do see him getting beat out by some unknown in camp.

RefsRobbedUs 03-12-2019 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 840159)
Slight downgrade but great value. I do see him getting beat out by some unknown in camp.



Really? Dang I would take this bet any day of the week. Some are underrating Murray; he is only a slight downgrade due to his passing game inefficiency. As a runner I don't think the Saints miss a beat.

The Dude 03-12-2019 02:09 PM

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We are going to miss his catching ability big time if we don’t get a TE or slot receiver.

K Major 03-12-2019 02:10 PM

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Cue the 2018 Murray highlights ...


The Dude 03-12-2019 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 840133)
Kamara can do it all and better than most. Only concern is his size and his ability to remain healthy with that kind of work load. Any RB we have on the roster with him is nothing more than an insurance policy. May as well buy the cheaper one.

Good luck to Ingram. He was a solid player and good guy and wish him the best.

I think we learned Kamara can’t do it all after the first 4 games of last season. He was getting winded pretty bad by week 3 with no help. He’s going to need someone to split with. We are going to miss the presence Ingram brings to the locker room. I get the move though. Wish it didn’t work out this way but all the best to him. He was one of my all time favorites.

RefsRobbedUs 03-12-2019 02:19 PM

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Probably see this 8 times next year.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l378k...npcI/giphy.gif

brees84 03-12-2019 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 840162)

Powerful and fast.

ScottF 03-12-2019 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 840164)
I think we learned Kamara can’t do it all after the first 4 games of last season. He was getting winded pretty bad by week 3 with no help. He’s going to need someone to split with. We are going to miss the presence Ingram brings to the locker room. I get the move though. Wish it didn’t work out this way but all the best to him. He was one of my all time favorites.

in game 3 AK had 30+ touches and was targetted 20 times. That's absurd, and as much on Brees as anyone. Your main weapon cannot also be your safety valve.
Murray is good for 12 carries a game and should provide nice balance at a level only slightly below Ingram

rezburna 03-12-2019 02:30 PM

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It’s what the Patriots would do. I feel bad though.

Lord_Saint83 03-12-2019 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 840168)
It’s what the Patriots would do. I feel bad though.

Me too Rez, i cant see him in another uniform. But i know its a business and the numbers gotta look right for everyone.

K Major 03-12-2019 02:35 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 840168)
It’s what the Patriots would do. I feel bad though.

Agree 100.

SmashMouth 03-12-2019 02:54 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 840162)


Very nice effective use of the stiff arm. Longer arms than Ingram.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 840168)
It’s what the Patriots would do. I feel bad though.

Yes, indeed. Take the emotion out of personnel management.

Utah_Saint 03-12-2019 03:07 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
I don’t think Murray will be a downgrade in the running game. And he’s reportedly good in pass protection. It’ll be as an outlet receiver and screens that I’m concerned about.

K Major 03-12-2019 03:12 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 840177)
I don’t think Murray will be a downgrade in the running game. And he’s reportedly good in pass protection. It’ll be as an outlet receiver and screens that I’m concerned about.

LMurray had a 85% catch rate for 2018. To put that in perspective, stud Christian McCaffery was @ 86% for the season.

Source - > https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

CHA_CHING 03-12-2019 03:14 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
I am OK with this move.

RBs are interchangeable, so this can work fine.

Ingram had a good run here, but I don't think he ever lived up to his true potential with where he was drafted. He would have those amazing break out games, then the next week he'd struggle. I had a feeling he was gone after the past two years in the playoffs where he was a complete non-factor.

With that said, I wish him well where ever he ends up. Don't think he is a major loss though.

Utah_Saint 03-12-2019 04:14 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 840178)
LMurray had a 85% catch rate for 2018. To put that in perspective, stud Christian McCaffery was @ 86% for the season.

Source - > https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Well, that’s encouraging.

CheramieIII 03-12-2019 04:20 PM

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We win because of the numbers we gave him. I don't think we lose anything at all on the field. Although Mark was a real leader on the team.

Budsdrinker 03-12-2019 04:28 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
If the reported money Ingram is seeking is correct, I agree with the move but I hope Murray can pass block as well as Ingram did. Might take the locker room a little time to heal though.

Beastmode 03-12-2019 04:32 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 840178)
LMurray had a 85% catch rate for 2018. To put that in perspective, stud Christian McCaffery was @ 86% for the season.

Source - > https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb




If Cook was healthy he would have barely seen the field. Still a good RB but no Ingram. I do like the move and was hoping for something close to this pickup.

gulfgambler 03-12-2019 04:44 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 840161)
We are going to miss his catching ability big time if we don’t get a TE or slot receiver.

You mean both!

SmashMouth 03-12-2019 04:45 PM

Re: Saints Sign Latavius Murray
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 840187)
If the reported money Ingram is seeking is correct, I agree with the move but I hope Murray can pass block as well as Ingram did. Might take the locker room a little time to heal though.

$8 million per year is the rumor...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-mark-ingram/



ChrisXVI 03-12-2019 05:31 PM

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Happy for Mark! For a soon-to-be 30 year old RB to DOUBLE his salary is really an accomplishment. Well deserved.


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