Brown, Brown, and Beasley

CHA_CHING · 03-12-2019, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Meredith. Bryant. Kirkwood. Smith. Thomas. Ginn

Guys we HAVE good wide receivers. Our issue was injuries.

Meredith has a history with injuries, something many of us were concerned about when he first signed.

Bryant is washed up and no one wanted him last year. We only signed him as an act of desperation. He was out of shape and immediately suffered a major injury after the signing. He's not the same player he was 5 years ago. There is a reason that Dallas didn't want him back despite being so thin at WR last year and there is a reason no other team wanted him 8 weeks into the season until coach SP realized how badly we needed WRs and went for him.

I don't remember Kirkwood making any impact at all last year.

Smith was a rookie last year and could make a big leap forward this year.

Ginn has speed, but was never a top receiver in all his career.

Last year's Saints had the worst WR corps of any Sean Payton team. They are the real reason we didn't reach the SB (bad non-call aside, I don't think we would've beat the Pats with our offensive struggles).

Outside of Michael Thomas, we didn't have a single other receiver to strike fear into teams. Dallas figured it out and showed the world the blueprint to stopping our offense - shut down Kamara and Thomas, and try to make Brees beat you with a cast of no-names. We didn't have a single game last year with the offense firing on all cylinders without Thomas or Kamara (or both) having monster production in those games. All our games where the offense was explosive, those two were the driving force. If it weren't for our defense stepping up and playing so well, we probably wouldn't have won another game after that nightmare in Dallas. The offense was not the same and it all comes down to not having enough weapons at WR to take the pressure off Thomas and give Brees another target to throw to. Brees stats tanked at the end of the year when the offense was exposed and they simply never got their groove back. Fixing the offense is top priority.

saintsfan1976 · 03-13-2019, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

Meredith has a history with injuries, something many of us were concerned about when he first signed.

Bryant is washed up and no one wanted him last year. We only signed him as an act of desperation. He was out of shape and immediately suffered a major injury after the signing. He's not the same player he was 5 years ago. There is a reason that Dallas didn't want him back despite being so thin at WR last year and there is a reason no other team wanted him 8 weeks into the season until coach SP realized how badly we needed WRs and went for him.

I don't remember Kirkwood making any impact at all last year.

Smith was a rookie last year and could make a big leap forward this year.

Ginn has speed, but was never a top receiver in all his career.

Last year's Saints had the worst WR corps of any Sean Payton team. They are the real reason we didn't reach the SB (bad non-call aside, I don't think we would've beat the Pats with our offensive struggles).

Outside of Michael Thomas, we didn't have a single other receiver to strike fear into teams. Dallas figured it out and showed the world the blueprint to stopping our offense - shut down Kamara and Thomas, and try to make Brees beat you with a cast of no-names. We didn't have a single game last year with the offense firing on all cylinders without Thomas or Kamara (or both) having monster production in those games. All our games where the offense was explosive, those two were the driving force. If it weren't for our defense stepping up and playing so well, we probably wouldn't have won another game after that nightmare in Dallas. The offense was not the same and it all comes down to not having enough weapons at WR to take the pressure off Thomas and give Brees another target to throw to. Brees stats tanked at the end of the year when the offense was exposed and they simply never got their groove back. Fixing the offense is top priority.

Respectfully disagree with almost everything you stated. My point was injuries doomed us - Meredith, Bryant, Ginn, Dural. But we HAVE talent on the roster. Both Kirkwood and Smith should make the leap. Dez and Meredith will be in the mix. If everyone is healthy enough to be on the field we’ll have one of the better receiving rosters in the league.

Budsdrinker · 03-13-2019, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Respectfully disagree with almost everything you stated. My point was injuries doomed us - Meredith, Bryant, Ginn, Dural. But we HAVE talent on the roster. Both Kirkwood and Smith should make the leap. Dez and Meredith will be in the mix. If everyone is healthy enough to be on the field we’ll have one of the better receiving rosters in the league.

Agree, Kirkwood made some crucial catches last year and it was a shame he missed the NFCCG with a calf injury. Could have been the difference maker. Both he and Smith should be better this year.

CheramieIII · 03-13-2019, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Meredith. Bryant. Kirkwood. Smith. Thomas. Ginn

Guys we HAVE good wide receivers. Our issue was injuries.

Glad you said it 76!

jeanpierre · 03-13-2019, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Meredith. Bryant. Kirkwood. Smith. Thomas. Ginn

Guys we HAVE good wide receivers. Our issue was injuries.

And two of those guys were rookies!!!

saintsfan1976 · 03-13-2019, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And two of those guys were rookies!!!

Barring medical setbacks I believe we're fine at WR. Won't be mad if we draft Riley Ridley at 62

K Major · 03-13-2019, 12:28 PM

This may sound weird but I had more confidence in undrafted Kirkwood than Tre' for 2018. He just didn't seem right. Hopefully it's a mental thing that he's over.

I still believe in Cameron Meredith. Hopefully his knee is right & he has a solid camp.

Side note - we still need a TE or slot WR. A chain mover in crucial moments. IMO TLL and Carr are wasted roster spots.

saintsfan1976 · 03-13-2019, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

This may sound weird but I had more confidence in undrafted Kirkwood than Tre' for 2018. He just didn't seem right. Hopefully it's a mental thing that he's over.

I still believe in Cameron Meredith. Hopefully his knee is right & he has a solid camp.

Side note - we still need a TE or slot WR. A chain mover in crucial moments. IMO TLL and Carr are wasted roster spots.

I had the same feeling on Tre vs Kirk.

IF Meredith is healed, he can be the nightmare match up in the seam we've been missing.

Unpopular opinion but I'd like to see Dez back in New Orleans to battle it out in camp

K Major · 03-13-2019, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Unpopular opinion but I'd like to see Dez back in New Orleans to battle it out in camp

I often wonder if Dez would have been that "missing piece" in the NFCCG ? Gotta believe he would have made some sort of impact late in the 4th when everything was on the line.

God Bless him but TLL had no business being on the field late in that game.

03-12-2019, 08:27 PM	#1
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Meredith. Bryant. Kirkwood. Smith. Thomas. Ginn Guys we HAVE good wide receivers. Our issue was injuries. Meredith has a history with injuries, something many of us were concerned about when he first signed. Bryant is washed up and no one wanted him last year. We only signed him as an act of desperation. He was out of shape and immediately suffered a major injury after the signing. He's not the same player he was 5 years ago. There is a reason that Dallas didn't want him back despite being so thin at WR last year and there is a reason no other team wanted him 8 weeks into the season until coach SP realized how badly we needed WRs and went for him. I don't remember Kirkwood making any impact at all last year. Smith was a rookie last year and could make a big leap forward this year. Ginn has speed, but was never a top receiver in all his career. Last year's Saints had the worst WR corps of any Sean Payton team. They are the real reason we didn't reach the SB (bad non-call aside, I don't think we would've beat the Pats with our offensive struggles). Outside of Michael Thomas, we didn't have a single other receiver to strike fear into teams. Dallas figured it out and showed the world the blueprint to stopping our offense - shut down Kamara and Thomas, and try to make Brees beat you with a cast of no-names. We didn't have a single game last year with the offense firing on all cylinders without Thomas or Kamara (or both) having monster production in those games. All our games where the offense was explosive, those two were the driving force. If it weren't for our defense stepping up and playing so well, we probably wouldn't have won another game after that nightmare in Dallas. The offense was not the same and it all comes down to not having enough weapons at WR to take the pressure off Thomas and give Brees another target to throw to. Brees stats tanked at the end of the year when the offense was exposed and they simply never got their groove back. Fixing the offense is top priority. Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-13-2019, 10:03 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley Originally Posted by CHA_CHING Meredith has a history with injuries, something many of us were concerned about when he first signed. Bryant is washed up and no one wanted him last year. We only signed him as an act of desperation. He was out of shape and immediately suffered a major injury after the signing. He's not the same player he was 5 years ago. There is a reason that Dallas didn't want him back despite being so thin at WR last year and there is a reason no other team wanted him 8 weeks into the season until coach SP realized how badly we needed WRs and went for him. I don't remember Kirkwood making any impact at all last year. Smith was a rookie last year and could make a big leap forward this year. Ginn has speed, but was never a top receiver in all his career. Last year's Saints had the worst WR corps of any Sean Payton team. They are the real reason we didn't reach the SB (bad non-call aside, I don't think we would've beat the Pats with our offensive struggles). Outside of Michael Thomas, we didn't have a single other receiver to strike fear into teams. Dallas figured it out and showed the world the blueprint to stopping our offense - shut down Kamara and Thomas, and try to make Brees beat you with a cast of no-names. We didn't have a single game last year with the offense firing on all cylinders without Thomas or Kamara (or both) having monster production in those games. All our games where the offense was explosive, those two were the driving force. If it weren't for our defense stepping up and playing so well, we probably wouldn't have won another game after that nightmare in Dallas. The offense was not the same and it all comes down to not having enough weapons at WR to take the pressure off Thomas and give Brees another target to throw to. Brees stats tanked at the end of the year when the offense was exposed and they simply never got their groove back. Fixing the offense is top priority. Respectfully disagree with almost everything you stated. My point was injuries doomed us - Meredith, Bryant, Ginn, Dural. But we HAVE talent on the roster. Both Kirkwood and Smith should make the leap. Dez and Meredith will be in the mix. If everyone is healthy enough to be on the field we’ll have one of the better receiving rosters in the league. CheramieIII and Budsdrinker like this.

03-13-2019, 12:17 PM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Respectfully disagree with almost everything you stated. My point was injuries doomed us - Meredith, Bryant, Ginn, Dural. But we HAVE talent on the roster. Both Kirkwood and Smith should make the leap. Dez and Meredith will be in the mix. If everyone is healthy enough to be on the field we’ll have one of the better receiving rosters in the league. Agree, Kirkwood made some crucial catches last year and it was a shame he missed the NFCCG with a calf injury. Could have been the difference maker. Both he and Smith should be better this year. saintsfan1976 likes this.

03-13-2019, 07:18 AM	#4
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Meredith. Bryant. Kirkwood. Smith. Thomas. Ginn Guys we HAVE good wide receivers. Our issue was injuries. Glad you said it 76! saintsfan1976 likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Meredith. Bryant. Kirkwood. Smith. Thomas. Ginn Guys we HAVE good wide receivers. Our issue was injuries. And two of those guys were rookies!!!

03-13-2019, 03:13 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley Originally Posted by jeanpierre And two of those guys were rookies!!! Barring medical setbacks I believe we're fine at WR. Won't be mad if we draft Riley Ridley at 62

03-13-2019, 12:28 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley This may sound weird but I had more confidence in undrafted Kirkwood than Tre' for 2018. He just didn't seem right. Hopefully it's a mental thing that he's over. I still believe in Cameron Meredith. Hopefully his knee is right & he has a solid camp. Side note - we still need a TE or slot WR. A chain mover in crucial moments. IMO TLL and Carr are wasted roster spots. CheramieIII, ScottF and st thomas like this.

03-13-2019, 02:52 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley Originally Posted by K Major This may sound weird but I had more confidence in undrafted Kirkwood than Tre' for 2018. He just didn't seem right. Hopefully it's a mental thing that he's over. I still believe in Cameron Meredith. Hopefully his knee is right & he has a solid camp. Side note - we still need a TE or slot WR. A chain mover in crucial moments. IMO TLL and Carr are wasted roster spots. I had the same feeling on Tre vs Kirk. IF Meredith is healed, he can be the nightmare match up in the seam we've been missing. Unpopular opinion but I'd like to see Dez back in New Orleans to battle it out in camp K Major likes this.

03-13-2019, 03:00 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brown, Brown, and Beasley Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Unpopular opinion but I'd like to see Dez back in New Orleans to battle it out in camp I often wonder if Dez would have been that "missing piece" in the NFCCG ? Gotta believe he would have made some sort of impact late in the 4th when everything was on the line. God Bless him but TLL had no business being on the field late in that game. saintsfan1976 and st thomas like this.