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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Your thinking is flawed Danno ole boy, in a few ways. First, you say that a player enters the negotiations with any team knowing that the team reserves the right to release him, and therefore he should factor that in ...
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06-22-2005, 10:06 AM | #11 |
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Your thinking is flawed Danno ole boy, in a few ways.
First, you say that a player enters the negotiations with any team knowing that the team reserves the right to release him, and therefore he should factor that in to his asking price, and then honor the agreement in full. However, the team, as a matter of pragmatism and experience, knows that if the player's performance improves significantly, he will negotiate for more money. The team also may never intend to pay the full contract amount (i.e. Joe Horn) by cutting the player before the payments escalate. As a matter of contract law, misrepresenting your intentions to secure a deal constitutes a breach of contract. Just play out your scenrio from the players perspective: Joe Horn is a Pro Bowl WR. He wants to be paid like one. He bargains with the Saints to receive a $42 million contract that also helps the Saints cap situation in the short-term. Horn intends to perform as specified under the contract for 6 years. Horn returns to the Pro Bowl in 2005, 2006, and 2007. After the 2007 season, Horn's salary under the contract is scheduled to increase significantly. Despite having fulfilled his part of the deal fully, the team cuts Joe simply b/c the deal that they agreed to before no longer seems worthwhile to them. In the real world, there are provisions against that very type of action. Generally, you cannot terminate a contract after receiving substantial performance without having performed equitably ("equally") on your end. (for more info look up the Uniform Commercial Code, Restatements (Second) of Contracts, or other information on requirements contracts). Moreover, the idea of renegotiating due to changing business conditions/requirements is inherent in the laws governing commercial transactions (again see the Uniform Commercial Code). The law of contracts is largely one of commercial equity. Where the underlying instrument or service (here the player's performance) changes during the life of the contract, the parties are normally free to modify their agreement, and in some cases, they're even required to do so. Finally, and maybe most importantly, most people misconstrue NFL contracts to be "commercial" agreements, when, in fact, they aren't. They are labor agreements. Simply b/c the numbers are bigger does not mean that the contract changes. Viewing them in this way, it's easy to see why players can and should hold out (as a last resort IMO). Just because the contract contains a time term does not change the fact that it is an agreement to work for the organization. In that sense, other than the salary components, Horn's contract with the Saints is essentially like yours with your employer. Generally, you are an at-will employee and your employer reserves the right to fire you at any time. However, you likewise generally reserve the right to quit on a dime, get up and walk out of your office, and if they need you, then they'll have to pay you to come back. Just b/c a player demands more money, and does so in the media, doesn't change the underlying legal principles that relate to these types of contracts. The idea that a player has an employment contract, or even a contract to provide services, and he therefore should have to honor it fully while the team reserves the right to cancel at any time simply isn't grounded in any legal theory that I know of. |
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06-22-2005, 11:33 AM | #13 |
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So you aren't discussing A) what it means for a player to honor and NFL contract, or B) whether they should? Somehow I doubt that. You're a smart guy, and it's not worth posting that teams reserve the right to release player.... hey, the sky is blue too. What's your point Danno? It seemed to me that you were saying that players should honor their contracts, no?
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06-22-2005, 07:27 PM | #14 |
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Let me start by saying, WhoDat, I think you have a wonderful grasp of contract law. Much moreso than I think I have. I never really cared for it so that may be the reason. That being said, I'd like to bring out a couple of issues.
First you said,
Both parties are bound to the contract until the contract's termination date, cause exists to terminate, or by provision of the contract otherwise. For example, if I hire someone who has a specific skill set and I sign them to a one-year contract, they are obligated to me for that year. In turn, I am obligated to them. If the employee quits without cause, I have a remedy in a court of law for breach of contract. If I refuse to continue to employ the employee without cause, the employee has a similar remedy. Most of the time the remedy when the employee quits will not be specific performance (meaning the employee wont be forced to work for me), but will be monetary damages or that person will be excluded from the specific area of work (typically handled in no-competition clauses). Now applying this to an NFL contract is difficult because I don't have an NFL contract in front of me nor have I read the CBA. However, I think it works like so. Following simple contract law, the Player is obligated by the contract and cannot simply quit without cause and move to another team. The player can retire, but that is most likely handled by a provision in the contract (the player is still excluded from playing for another team). The team, however, either has an out listed as a provision in the contract that allows them to release a player or the contract likely refers to a provision of the CBA which allows the same at no penalty to the team (excluding salary cap ramifications). It is possible that the contract further refers to the CBA which may state that the player may hold out for more money in certain circumstances. Thus, the player would not be in breach of contract if he did so.
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06-23-2005, 10:49 AM | #16 |
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Scotty - I bow to you.
Of course, I also have a few thoughts... who'd have guessed. Your analysis is lucid and on-point. I would simply suggest a couple of things. First, you are correct that contracts for work which do not contain specific time terms are more commonly deemed "at-will" employment, whereas contracts containing time terms are less likely to be classified that way. However, as I understand it, and keeping in mind that Louisiana is always the exception, generally speaking, at common-law a time term only allows for reliance damages upon breach, and limits the period in which the agreement will remain in place (i.e. at the end of the term the employee has no expectation of continued work). You are also correct that specific performance is virtually never employed in labor disputes - and rightly so. In that case, if Joe Horn, for example, were to hold out the Saints could sign another WR ("cover") and then seek damages amounting to the difference between the cost of the new WR and the cost of Horn. Realistically, this means that the team has no rememdy, b/c it is required to find the cheapest alternative under both the UCC and Restatements. While the team might argue that a "suitable alternative" is another Pro Bowl WR, there are most likely no performance guarantees in Horn's contract. Therefore, Horn would argue that an "NFL-caliber" WR is an equivalent, and the Saints should not be able to recover above and beyond costs associated with the salary of an "average" WR. IMO, he'd probably win on that. As for your comments on non-compete clauses, you're right, but the non-compete is a function of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), and not a player's contract. I have no doubt that every player's contract has a non-compete clause, however every one is most likely unenforceable without the CBA. Non-compete clauses are oft overturned by courts on grounds of "public policy." They are subject to weighing tests that consider both party's interests, and factors such as geographic area covered, time frame, specificity of the non-compete function, and available alternatives. Seeing as how a non-compete in an NFL contract is essentially a restriction on trade for an NFL player, a court would never enforce it IMO. Which is where the CBA comes in, and solves this problem. To me, a player holding out is tantamount to a labor strike that requires an organization to rework an existing labor agreement. I don't see anything wrong in it. Again, contract law is largely one of "fairness" and given the cavalier way that teams drop players like a bad habit, I see nothing wrong with a player who has exceeded expectations asking to be compensated accordingly. For many of them, their entire career earnings potential is reduced from a normal 50 years to more like 5 or 10, and it can end at any moment. NFL players are right to try to get what they can - just like teams are right to try to underpay and get the best value out there. Ultimately, things SHOULD balance out so that a player is paid based on his performance on the field. |
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06-23-2005, 11:23 AM | #17 |
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I don't have a problem with a player getting paid for there work according to there performance. The only fair way to do this would be setting it up that the league would run this. If you are the top rb in the league you get xx% of the pot -excluding Ricky Williams who would thing that word ment something else.
Being ranked on your performance league wide not team wise. Your status with the team is one thing but being the 10 best QB in the league and 1 on your team could mean a couple of million. |
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06-23-2005, 11:34 AM | #18 |
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Let's also look at another possible outcome, injury. We can compare a player to a normal job if we like, but I don't risk tearing my ACL or paralysis daily just doing my job. NFL players do. That is another reason they are allowed to attempt to recoup the most they can during their window in the NFL. They bust their butts to get better in order to have the opportunity to make that payday. If said player gets hurt before that payday and can't play anymore, think the team is gonna say "well, you did outplay your rookie contract and made the pro bowl, so even though you can't play any more, we are still gonna give you that top dollar contract." Hell no. The player is basically screwed and depending n years played, may not even fall under the injury protection clause the NFL has for him to receive a stipend. I feel some players carry things to far, as in the most used example, TO, in the second year of a 7 year 49 million dollar deal, and he is the exception. But the rules are there for players to do so, so they are just as within their rights as owners when they wanna go back to the table. |
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Good post Whodi. I would just like to make one note.
I think I do risk brain damage and paralysis on a daily basis at my job. LOL |
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