brooks? is he good?

Euphoria · 07-06-2005, 10:50 AM

a good mesuring stick is to compare Manning to his peers then and Brooks to his peers now to see how they rank.

-Stat wise (finishing in the top ten) I rank Brooks and Manning tied for first.
-reg. season wins... Bobby Hebert
-Playoff victories... Brooks.

WhoDat · 07-06-2005, 12:51 PM

a good mesuring stick is to compare Manning to his peers then and Brooks to his peers now to see how they rank.

That's a bad idea if you're a Brooks fan, unless all you want to look at are yards and TDs. Everett's numbers as a Saint were better straight up than Brooks' and that was 10 years ago. Hebert's best years were pretty close to Brooks' numbers now and that's 15 years ago. Archie is the only Saints Pro Bowler at QB so you know his are better.

Euphoria · 07-06-2005, 01:14 PM

no your wrong... look at the top 10 finishes in all those categoires and you'll see Brooks and Manning are tied with top ten finishes against there peers while wearing a Saints uniform.

WhoDat · 07-06-2005, 01:27 PM

So you're seriously arguing that Aaron Brooks is as good a QB as Archie Manning was. Seriously?

Archie Manning played with a minor league team surrounding him and finished in the top 10 ever?!?! That's amazing. AB has had one of the most talented offenses in the game for years. Whatever, I'm not even having this conversation. You go ahead and believe AB is a better QB than Archie was if you want. I think Joey Harrington is better than Joe Montana... ooh, maybe Jeff George is better now than Unitas was too!

Euphoria · 07-06-2005, 01:33 PM

No I am saying statisically they are tied amoungst there peers as of now over the long haul. I love Manning and he is my childhood hero growing up, that aside. I am saying Manning and Brooks are the two best QB's this team has ever had while wearing a Saints uniform. Brooks may very well be the best with another top 10 finish edging out Manning. For those who say winning then its Brooks for a play off win or Hebert for better winning percentage during reg. season.

GoldenTomb · 07-06-2005, 02:01 PM

That playoff team was already rolling when Brooks took over and u know it. Brooks was a benefactor of Blake's work.

Enough of this stats stuff. It's about pure honest opinion. If something thinks AB is in the same class as Manning than your evaluation skills are questionable to say the least. He may very well be the second best Saints QB ever, but again what kind of honor is that? Like WhoDat said, he has been average. He's somewhere in the middle of where all of the supporters and bashers are putting him.

trimolo · 07-06-2005, 02:35 PM

I just think people give too much credit and too much blame for QB's....no QB in the NFL throws perfect passes except Peyton Manning....most QB's benefit from great receivers...I am tired of people using Brett Farves name...he throws more interceptions than most QB's...what makes him great...please 2 TD's per 4 INTs...what makes Big Ben so great....100 yards passing...1 TD 2 ints....come on some QB's put big stats on weak teams and weak stats on strong teams....the QB is like a kicker....don't blow it....Our game plan makes AB look bad....Run on 1st, run on second, weak screen 1 receiver route.....or throw 1st, throw 2nd, draw on third..no imagination...no game plans.....oh the saints D is bad....well you have corners who specialize in Man, but you run zone....your DLINE is a pass rushing line, but you cover gaps on the line....your linebackers are young and fast..oooohhh don't blitz...have them do pass coverage.....its the team not being driven properly...stop trying to turn brooks into Peyton and let him be Culpepper....let horn be moss and let them have structured fun...

4saintspirit · 07-06-2005, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by trimolo

I just think people give too much credit and too much blame for QB's....no QB in the NFL throws perfect passes except Peyton Manning....most QB's benefit from great receivers

AB has Horn -- most people put him in a great receiver category -- but I have a slight disagreement with the too much credit and blame to the QBS. The quarterback has his hands on the ball every play (except for a trick play here or there). He is responsible for reading the defensive alignment and making changes at the line -- for reading defenses and selecting the open receiver -- he has the most opportunity to change a game either positively or negatively -- All in all he should shoulder a large part of the blame as well as receive the most credit

[quote = "trimolo"] stop trying to turn brooks into Peyton and let him be Culpepper....let horn be moss and let them have structured fun...[/quote]

Not sure I would put AB in Culpepper's category either -- how about let Brooks be someone else

trimolo · 07-06-2005, 02:58 PM

I don't know....it's just frustrating to lose...being a saints fan is harder than finding good employment in new orleans....I want a winner....noone should be above scrutiny...QB, Coach, Owner, Fans, Vendors..someone should be accountable.......noone is above reproach.....my favorite Saint is Joe Horn....he produces....and could produce more....everyone can do more....more points scores by us, less on us.....more victories.....I agree with everyone...but I just don't like QB's getting so much credit...for victories....

along · 07-09-2005, 02:27 PM

Boy they have a lot of Brooks haters here!!!

8)

07-06-2005, 12:51 PM	#22
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	a good mesuring stick is to compare Manning to his peers then and Brooks to his peers now to see how they rank. That's a bad idea if you're a Brooks fan, unless all you want to look at are yards and TDs. Everett's numbers as a Saint were better straight up than Brooks' and that was 10 years ago. Hebert's best years were pretty close to Brooks' numbers now and that's 15 years ago. Archie is the only Saints Pro Bowler at QB so you know his are better.
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07-06-2005, 01:27 PM	#24
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	So you're seriously arguing that Aaron Brooks is as good a QB as Archie Manning was. Seriously? Archie Manning played with a minor league team surrounding him and finished in the top 10 ever?!?! That's amazing. AB has had one of the most talented offenses in the game for years. Whatever, I'm not even having this conversation. You go ahead and believe AB is a better QB than Archie was if you want. I think Joey Harrington is better than Joe Montana... ooh, maybe Jeff George is better now than Unitas was too!
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07-06-2005, 02:01 PM	#26
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	That playoff team was already rolling when Brooks took over and u know it. Brooks was a benefactor of Blake's work. Enough of this stats stuff. It's about pure honest opinion. If something thinks AB is in the same class as Manning than your evaluation skills are questionable to say the least. He may very well be the second best Saints QB ever, but again what kind of honor is that? Like WhoDat said, he has been average. He's somewhere in the middle of where all of the supporters and bashers are putting him.
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07-06-2005, 02:45 PM	#28
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by trimolo I just think people give too much credit and too much blame for QB's....no QB in the NFL throws perfect passes except Peyton Manning....most QB's benefit from great receivers AB has Horn -- most people put him in a great receiver category -- but I have a slight disagreement with the too much credit and blame to the QBS. The quarterback has his hands on the ball every play (except for a trick play here or there). He is responsible for reading the defensive alignment and making changes at the line -- for reading defenses and selecting the open receiver -- he has the most opportunity to change a game either positively or negatively -- All in all he should shoulder a large part of the blame as well as receive the most credit [quote = "trimolo"] stop trying to turn brooks into Peyton and let him be Culpepper....let horn be moss and let them have structured fun...[/quote] Not sure I would put AB in Culpepper's category either -- how about let Brooks be someone else
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07-06-2005, 01:14 PM	#23
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	no your wrong... look at the top 10 finishes in all those categoires and you'll see Brooks and Manning are tied with top ten finishes against there peers while wearing a Saints uniform.

07-06-2005, 01:33 PM	#25
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	No I am saying statisically they are tied amoungst there peers as of now over the long haul. I love Manning and he is my childhood hero growing up, that aside. I am saying Manning and Brooks are the two best QB's this team has ever had while wearing a Saints uniform. Brooks may very well be the best with another top 10 finish edging out Manning. For those who say winning then its Brooks for a play off win or Hebert for better winning percentage during reg. season.

07-06-2005, 02:35 PM	#27
trimolo Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 16	I just think people give too much credit and too much blame for QB's....no QB in the NFL throws perfect passes except Peyton Manning....most QB's benefit from great receivers...I am tired of people using Brett Farves name...he throws more interceptions than most QB's...what makes him great...please 2 TD's per 4 INTs...what makes Big Ben so great....100 yards passing...1 TD 2 ints....come on some QB's put big stats on weak teams and weak stats on strong teams....the QB is like a kicker....don't blow it....Our game plan makes AB look bad....Run on 1st, run on second, weak screen 1 receiver route.....or throw 1st, throw 2nd, draw on third..no imagination...no game plans.....oh the saints D is bad....well you have corners who specialize in Man, but you run zone....your DLINE is a pass rushing line, but you cover gaps on the line....your linebackers are young and fast..oooohhh don't blitz...have them do pass coverage.....its the team not being driven properly...stop trying to turn brooks into Peyton and let him be Culpepper....let horn be moss and let them have structured fun...

07-06-2005, 02:58 PM	#29
trimolo Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 16	I don't know....it's just frustrating to lose...being a saints fan is harder than finding good employment in new orleans....I want a winner....noone should be above scrutiny...QB, Coach, Owner, Fans, Vendors..someone should be accountable.......noone is above reproach.....my favorite Saint is Joe Horn....he produces....and could produce more....everyone can do more....more points scores by us, less on us.....more victories.....I agree with everyone...but I just don't like QB's getting so much credit...for victories....