5 keys to success

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-09-2005, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I snipped my stuff

Wow, great post SFIAH. I agree with everything you said, finally. :P

I finally got what you were saying about how the offense needs to protect the defense. That makes sense. The defense is still going to have to step up and hold its own, especially in the run game. But the offense needs to be efficient in order to help the defense out.

I don't think that it required Brooks to be all-world. Deuce can be all world when he's in the right shape (which I hear that he is) and has the right situation (and with Brown and Mayberry it looks like he does).

My brother and I disagree on the best way for the offense to proceed. He believes in pounding the ball mercilessly. I favor the more balanced approach of using the run to set up play action down the field. But in either case the offense needs to move the chains and consistenly get the ball into the end zone.

SFIAH

along · 07-09-2005, 09:14 PM

We are in trouble if our Offense have to
protect our Defense!

Defense wins championships!!!
Offense only sell tickets!!!

8)

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-10-2005, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by along

We are in trouble if our Offense have to
protect our Defense!

Defense wins championships!!!
Offense only sell tickets!!!

8)

Then Dude, we are in trouble. Defenses do not change from bottom 5 to top 10 overnight.

Also even if you have the best defense in the world, it's not unreasonable to ask your offense for some ball control, limited turnovers, and some points.

SFIAH

along · 07-10-2005, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Originally Posted by along

We are in trouble if our Offense have to
protect our Defense!

Defense wins championships!!!
Offense only sell tickets!!!

8)

Then Dude, we are in trouble. Defenses do not change from bottom 5 to top 10 overnight.

SFIAH

Dude I'm not looking for our Defense to come
from bottom to top in a single season...without a doubt that
is asking for a lot

But you know that been done before.
You can be sure our Defense need to impove for us to go deep
in the playoff this year!

8)

saintswhodi · 07-10-2005, 08:54 PM

All this they didn't score in the first quarter is nothing more than excuses, to keep the blame on Brooks.

Excuses or facts? Did you watch some other Saints team play besides ours where they were scoring in the first quarter and not going three and out the vast majority of the time? And seriously, when someone says THE OFFENSE did not do such and such, they are talking about the OFFENSE, and not just Brooks. You have some kinda hang up with the guy. Trust me, on this site, when someone has a problem with Brooks, they have no problem saying it.

4saintspirit · 07-12-2005, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

All this they didn't score in the first quarter is nothing more than excuses, to keep the blame on Brooks.

Excuses or facts? Did you watch some other Saints team play besides ours where they were scoring in the first quarter and not going three and out the vast majority of the time? And seriously, when someone says THE OFFENSE did not do such and such, they are talking about the OFFENSE, and not just Brooks. You have some kinda hang up with the guy. Trust me, on this site, when someone has a problem with Brooks, they have no problem saying it.

Bottom line is we need to improve in both areas -- It is absolutely a fact that if an offense consistently goes 3 & out the defense is on the field too long. Conversely if the defense gives up long time consuming drives the offense cannot get in a rythmn -- but to always think we are necessarily blaming Brooks when we say this is just a blind devotion to Brooks

trimolo · 07-12-2005, 05:13 PM

The Keys to the Saints winning is be more aggressive defense...instead of that bend don't break SHYT!!!! Actually give the running game an opportunity to be effective and not abandon it after 3 tries. Creativity on O and D....Ingame adjustments that work...Fire Rick Venturi....Let our players play to the their strenghts and not your game plan....

07-09-2005, 05:02 PM	#11
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: 5 keys to success Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I snipped my stuff Wow, great post SFIAH. I agree with everything you said, finally. :P I finally got what you were saying about how the offense needs to protect the defense. That makes sense. The defense is still going to have to step up and hold its own, especially in the run game. But the offense needs to be efficient in order to help the defense out. I don't think that it required Brooks to be all-world. Deuce can be all world when he's in the right shape (which I hear that he is) and has the right situation (and with Brown and Mayberry it looks like he does). My brother and I disagree on the best way for the offense to proceed. He believes in pounding the ball mercilessly. I favor the more balanced approach of using the run to set up play action down the field. But in either case the offense needs to move the chains and consistenly get the ball into the end zone. SFIAH
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07-09-2005, 09:14 PM	#12
along 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 190	We are in trouble if our Offense have to protect our Defense! Defense wins championships!!! Offense only sell tickets!!! 8)
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07-10-2005, 05:52 PM	#13
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Originally Posted by along We are in trouble if our Offense have to protect our Defense! Defense wins championships!!! Offense only sell tickets!!! 8) Then Dude, we are in trouble. Defenses do not change from bottom 5 to top 10 overnight. Also even if you have the best defense in the world, it's not unreasonable to ask your offense for some ball control, limited turnovers, and some points. SFIAH

07-10-2005, 06:07 PM	#14
along 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 190	Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Originally Posted by along We are in trouble if our Offense have to protect our Defense! Defense wins championships!!! Offense only sell tickets!!! 8) Then Dude, we are in trouble. Defenses do not change from bottom 5 to top 10 overnight. SFIAH Dude I'm not looking for our Defense to come from bottom to top in a single season...without a doubt that is asking for a lot But you know that been done before. You can be sure our Defense need to impove for us to go deep in the playoff this year! 8)
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07-12-2005, 04:27 PM	#16
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by saintswhodi All this they didn't score in the first quarter is nothing more than excuses, to keep the blame on Brooks. Excuses or facts? Did you watch some other Saints team play besides ours where they were scoring in the first quarter and not going three and out the vast majority of the time? And seriously, when someone says THE OFFENSE did not do such and such, they are talking about the OFFENSE, and not just Brooks. You have some kinda hang up with the guy. Trust me, on this site, when someone has a problem with Brooks, they have no problem saying it. Bottom line is we need to improve in both areas -- It is absolutely a fact that if an offense consistently goes 3 & out the defense is on the field too long. Conversely if the defense gives up long time consuming drives the offense cannot get in a rythmn -- but to always think we are necessarily blaming Brooks when we say this is just a blind devotion to Brooks
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	All this they didn't score in the first quarter is nothing more than excuses, to keep the blame on Brooks. Excuses or facts? Did you watch some other Saints team play besides ours where they were scoring in the first quarter and not going three and out the vast majority of the time? And seriously, when someone says THE OFFENSE did not do such and such, they are talking about the OFFENSE, and not just Brooks. You have some kinda hang up with the guy. Trust me, on this site, when someone has a problem with Brooks, they have no problem saying it.

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trimolo Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 16	The Keys to the Saints winning is be more aggressive defense...instead of that bend don't break SHYT!!!! Actually give the running game an opportunity to be effective and not abandon it after 3 tries. Creativity on O and D....Ingame adjustments that work...Fire Rick Venturi....Let our players play to the their strenghts and not your game plan....