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foreverfan 09-15-2019 11:09 PM

Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Who do you want at starting QB if Brees can't start next week?

Based on what I saw today and preseason, I have to give the start to Hill. Teddy looked like he played in preseason today. Hill provides the x factor.

State your pros and cons... :bng:


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hitta 09-15-2019 11:14 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
While I'd pick Taysom Hill, I can't see Payton making that kind of change without giving Teddy a week with prep.

saintfan 09-15-2019 11:15 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
I want Taysom. I feel bad for Teddy. He had no chance today. The team played like crap and the refs were NOT going to let us win that game. No way. No how. Sean isn't going to play Taysom as the starter anyway...

Danno 09-15-2019 11:18 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Teddy is probably the better option with a full week of reps at practice. Hill will likely see twice the normal activity.

CheramieIII 09-15-2019 11:27 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Hill provides a spark. He can run and pass better than Teddy.

The Dude 09-15-2019 11:47 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Someone else here said this in preseason and I made fun of the very idea but I just don’t know if these guys wanna play for TB. Maybe he just doesn’t have the ability to create a spark.

Beastmode 09-16-2019 12:14 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Teddy is the better passer. He is also rough with the timing. There is no time to refine it now. Have to roll with Taysum. He may pass, he may run. Totally screws up defenses. We might be able to edge some out with him. Teddy no way. He's one dimensional and his timing will be off for a while. Play the wild card and see what happens. It won't be pretty but at least we always have a shot.

The Dude 09-16-2019 12:26 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Well everyone wanted to see if either of these guys have what takes to be Brees successor. Guess we are about to find out. We have about another good 4-5 weeks to figure it out before we tank for a draft pick.

Utah_Saint 09-16-2019 12:39 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Coaches made Bridgewater the #2. I'd like to see him get a week working with the 1s and see how he does.

Beastmode 09-16-2019 12:46 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
I see Payton going 60-40 Bridgewater - Hill. Neither is going to get us there but, combined it could happen. A real nightmare for defenses. It already is just need to expand it.

blackangold 09-16-2019 01:15 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 855744)
I see Payton going 60-40 Bridgewater - Hill. Neither is going to get us there but, combined it could happen. A real nightmare for defenses. It already is just need to expand it.

Can’t do that... timing matters as does WRs knowledge of where the QB places the ball. There is something unique about the QB/WR connection.

Hill is the guy imo, I think he could be very successful. Looked amazing in the preseason and gives that X factor. He will only last for 3-4 years until the hits catch up to him. Teddy has nothing unique to his game, locks in on 1 short pass and if it isn’t there it’s a bad play. I used to be a teddy fan until the CAR game last season when I realized how below average he really is.

WillMacKenzie 09-16-2019 05:16 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
“A week with the ones”?

How many times we have to read this book before it sticks — Teddy can’t do it. Let’s try the experimental drug before we subject ourselves to a slow, agonizing death.

TheOak 09-16-2019 05:17 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
If you have called QB the next Steve Young, sober or drunk, your decision is made isn’t it?

Teddy is a starting QB that has been waiting for his chance, he didn’t look like he was prepared for it.

SmashMouth 09-16-2019 05:30 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 855753)
If you have called QB the next Steve Young, sober or drunk, your decision is made isn’t it?

Teddy is a starting QB that has been waiting for his chance, he didn’t look like he was prepared for it.

This is the most logical answer. Teddy sure looks like he lacks pocket presence.

Crusader 09-16-2019 05:47 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
If the injury is as bad as some speculate, with a rehab time of atleast 4-6 months, there has to bee a risk that this was the last we saw of Brees playing football.

Pete 09-16-2019 06:06 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
I'd rather roll the dice with #7

SmashMouth 09-16-2019 06:50 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 855759)
If the injury is as bad as some speculate, with a rehab time of atleast 4-6 months, there has to bee a risk that this was the last we saw of Brees playing football.

He'll be back... Just maybe not this year.

TheOak 09-16-2019 07:23 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 855755)
This is the most logical answer. Teddy sure looks like he lacks pocket presence.

I can only come up with three possible explanations for what we saw and not a single one leaves me with much hope...

1. The pressure of coming off the bench cold shook him. (As seasoned as he is this should have not been the case)

2. The chance that he hung his helmet on to stay in New Orleans, a chance that a lot of names have dreamed of while passing through our locker room, arrived and he wasn't ready. (this one troubles me the most)

3. What we are seeing of Teddy is as good as he gets. (Sadly this I do believe is the case when I consider what we saw of him in pre-season)

I am open to rainbows if someone can throw a couple my way lol. Thoughts and prayers just to not resonate in my world. :broccoli:

Danno 09-16-2019 07:55 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 855741)
Well everyone wanted to see if either of these guys have what takes to be Brees successor. Guess we are about to find out. We have about another good 4-5 weeks to figure it out before we tank for a draft pick.

Teams don't tank.

jnormand 09-16-2019 08:02 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
I love watching Hill play. I think he's crazy. That being said, I'm willing to be patient and see how TB does with a week of preparation and first team reps. Maybe he'll be well worth the backup money he was paid. He has a lot to play for. If he comes in and does well, he'll get signed to a large contract for a team to be the starter in the off season.

If he comes out flat and lays an egg, let Hill get in there and see what he can do.

dizzle88 09-16-2019 08:11 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Taysom - he provides a spark and the offense feeds off his energy.

I hated bridgewaters demeanor, he looked defeated and constantly throwing off his back foot.

jeanpierre 09-16-2019 08:34 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 855803)
Taysom - he provides a spark and the offense feeds off his energy.

I hated bridgewaters demeanor, he looked defeated and constantly throwing off his back foot.

That right there. That's what bothered me most about Bridgewater's performance. Right behind that was his reluctance to pull the ball down and take off when he had as much as a 20yd cushion...

He could have easily scampered to first downs on the sideline.

On one third down, he done it already before when I mentioned it to my krewe, they finally came around and said he definitely hesitated and now defenses know it and will scheme accordingly...

Bridgewater is still playing fearful of injury. I can empathize with him, but you can't play scared and be successful in the NFL, Not for Long...

brees84 09-16-2019 08:46 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
There are way too many holes in Teddy's game for him to be considered legit NFL starter. No pocket presence whatsoever, slow reads, doesn't throw with anticipation, throwing mechanics, awful body language. This guy lacks natural leadership. Last night it was obvious that saints players don't believe in this guy. Focus on some stars on Saints offense last night. Completely different behavior on the field from what we are used to. After some catches Michael Thomas was like Colston 2.0 which is definitely not him. No emotion, no flexing muscles...

Hill is exact opposite. Hill is not great passer but he is quick decision maker, going through his reads much faster than Teddy, smart player, great runner and most importantly he brings that spark in our offense. Dude is a natural born leader. He will make some mistakes on the filed but I'd rather watch that than anemic offense with mister checkdown under center.

In the NFL starters get hurt and their backups more often than not make some very nice plays on the field. Just look at that Minshew guy from Jacksonville. And he is not paid 7+ millions...

brees84 09-16-2019 08:53 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
This reminds me of McCown vs Panthers. Drew gets hurt, McCown plays next week against at the time great Panthers defense. Almost wins the game. Seahawks are not that great on defense but solid test nonetheless.

SaintsBro 09-16-2019 09:54 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Rather amazingly, the defense held on, and kept us hanging by a fingernail in that game, until a certain point early in the 4th when the defense's back was finally broken, and they just couldn't keep up any longer. But even at a score of 20-9, if somewhere during that early window of time, if ANYWHERE in the first 3 quarters, if Teddy had shown up and made 3, 4, maybe 5 decent or clutch plays, that game could have had a much different tone and it could have been close right up to the very end.

For all the griping about the Saints defense (and there is much to gripe about) they STILL kept the Saints in the game, for most of the game, against a team that was in the Super Bowl last year. But Teddy running with the offensive 1's, produced almost nothing noteworthy to write home about. That was very dispiriting and disheartening to watch.

Cruize 09-16-2019 10:04 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
I voted for Hill. Look for Thomas. Look for Kamara. Look for Cook. Run Taysom Run! I truly believe he's absolutely ready. But, it won't happen. Bridgewater will start. I understand it. He can win. I fear he has to be perfect to do so though. Tough ask. Hill on the other hand brings an x factor. An athletic QB is almost impossible to defense. And he's just a tough, positive cat that I feel the team would rally around.

Rugby Saint II 09-16-2019 10:10 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 855811)
There are way too many holes in Teddy's game for him to be considered legit NFL starter. No pocket presence whatsoever, slow reads, doesn't throw with anticipation, throwing mechanics, awful body language. This guy lacks natural leadership. Last night it was obvious that saints players don't believe in this guy. Focus on some stars on Saints offense last night. Completely different behavior on the field from what we are used to. After some catches Michael Thomas was like Colston 2.0 which is definitely not him. No emotion, no flexing muscles...

Hill is exact opposite. Hill is not great passer but he is quick decision maker, going through his reads much faster than Teddy, smart player, great runner and most importantly he brings that spark in our offense. Dude is a natural born leader. He will make some mistakes on the filed but I'd rather watch that than anemic offense with mister checkdown under center.

In the NFL starters get hurt and their backups more often than not make some very nice plays on the field. Just look at that Minshew guy from Jacksonville. And he is not paid 7+ millions...

I could not have said it better. You nailed it!:broccoli::broccoli:

papz 09-16-2019 10:25 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Bridgewater but I'd like to see Taysom get a couple of full series in so we can evaluate him further.

On sheer will and intangibles, I do feel Taysom could Tebow us into a couple of wins if given the chance.

leilung 09-16-2019 10:36 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 855755)
This is the most logical answer. Teddy sure looks like he lacks pocket presence.

True. But how does a QB get that presence working with the 2's in practice. He really can't. From what I saw, TB was hesistant in throwing the routes so he held onto the ball far longer than he should have.

I believe that if anyone can get him up to speed with running the offense, SP can. But I give him 3 games to show me someething before Taysom Time...

K Major 09-16-2019 11:01 AM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Due to the Brees injury, the "Swiss Army knife" role has been put on ice for Taysom. Simply can't risk it if something happens to TB. I saw Hill lined up as a WR on a couple of series yesterday.

I think the coaches plan will be to start TB against the Seahawks but if he has another bad performance, Hill may get his chance vs the Cowboys in the dome.

foreverfan 09-16-2019 12:25 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Hill could have been the difference in the game yesterday.

Syntho 09-16-2019 12:46 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
You guys know more about football than I do so maybe you can answer this. When a team has a great player that we all KNOW can do the job better than others and the whole fanbase is literally screaming PUT XXXXX IN YOU IDIOTS because it's so obvious, they still decide to leave in some underachiever that gives a subpar performance? It's the same thing as running the ball, getting shut down, then... running the ball, getting shut down, then... hey guys, let's run the ball again! It's a great idea! Then get shut down time after time.

No disrespect to Bridgewater but Hill is just explosive. It's a no-brainer to me. At the least, he would make for some really intense football.

Budsdrinker 09-16-2019 12:55 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Bridgewater will get this week and at least 1/2 of the Dallas game. If he doesn't show any progress in this time, Hill will start second half of Cowgirl game.

jnormand 09-16-2019 02:48 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 855888)
Hill could have been the difference in the game yesterday.

I just found this out on the NFL Network. Hill was the WR3 yesterday because of injuries.

Good hell.

foreverfan 09-16-2019 03:31 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 855930)
I just found this out on the NFL Network. Hill was the WR3 yesterday because of injuries.

Good hell.

I sure hope his thumb is fine.

voodooido 09-16-2019 04:47 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Hill would be 3-3. TB 0-6. The guy has the slowest release I’ve ever seen. It took him 3 days to go through his progressions. Trade TB for a hot pocket and roll on with hill

WhoDat!656 09-16-2019 04:57 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Knowing your first 2 starts are a road game @ Seattle and a primetime home game against Dallas would be enough to keep most QBs awake at night.

Teddy passed up a chance to start in Miami to stay as a back-up in New Orleans; now is the time to show that he wants to be Brees' successor.

I am hoping for the best but expecting the worse.

neugey 09-16-2019 05:48 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
I'm voting to give Teddy a game or two and see how looks after a full week of practice as #1. Haven't had enough time to gauge his effectiveness yet. Yesterday was a mix of good and bad from him.

AsylumGuido 09-16-2019 06:11 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Hill's strength is eliminated if he plays every down. For the best of the team a Bridgewater that has worked with the ones coupled with Hill coming in more often than with Brees will be our best approach.

That should keep us undefeated until Brees returns.

18-1 Baby!

:bng:

Danno 09-16-2019 07:51 PM

Re: Teddy Bridgewater or Taysom Hill?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 855974)
Hill would be 3-3. TB 0-6. The guy has the slowest release I’ve ever seen. It took him 3 days to go through his progressions. Trade TB for a hot pocket and roll on with hill

I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen Hill go past his 1st read. Right now he’s mostly one read and take off running. He still needs a lot of work.


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