It's no rumor-Jake wins QB challenge
 

Way to go Jake, winning under pressure on the final event. Good go hometown.

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And the achievements just keep piling up .......

Pretty good for a quarterback who was not good enough to fill in for an injured Brooks when the Saints had the chance to make the play offs .

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Boy, you really are a Brooks lover. For some reason you have to attempt to down Jake winning the challenge? Let me guess, you CAN'T be from Louisiana. Right? Jake is better than your man crush, get over it. And this thread wasn't even about that. Don't be mad the front office went with the wrong guy. As the phrase goes, "Don't playa hate, congratulate."

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Oh yes - lets play this game again. It's one of my favorite.

Care to compare Jake's numbers last season to Brooks? Care to compare the rate at which each QB progressed from his first as a starter to his second? Care to compare winning percentage, playoff appearances, Super Bowl appearances? Attitude, leadership, commitment, heart????

Please make your argument why AB is a better QB than Jake. I'd love to "discuss" it with you. LOL :)

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Nuff said.

Oxymoron.

Oh he did. Unless you don't think better numbers ACROSS THE BOARD than AB is overcoming losing both RBs, your number one receiver, and half your offensive line. In case you missed it the first 50 times I said it, the Panthers had to play max protect the entire second half of the season and Jake still smoked AB stat wise. It's not even close. And get this: Jake had less pass attempts, a worse running game, a worse O-line, yet still had more TDs and more yards than AB in a MAX PROTECT OFFENSE. Just give it up.

Let's compare that to Panthers verses the Pats in the superbowl. No running game and defense getting stomped on, Jake throws three Tds and no INTs and would have been the game MVP had a kicker known not to boot the kickoff out of bounds. Jake wins again. Unless you think a playoff game against the Vikes is more important than a Superbowl against the Pats, a dynasty. :roll:

No he wasn't, but no team was as hurt as the Panthers were last year with injuries to starters. And I am sorry, but Jake doesn't need excuses. He does his job regardless. It's your boy they have to make excuses for every year and have 5th round QBs drafted and instantly have fans calling for them to start over him. Oh, it was the line, and the defense, and the receivers, and the sun was in his eye, and he feels bad cause he gets booed and blah blah blah. Nope, I don't hear those excuses for Jake. As a matter of fact, despite the injuries he said he should have played better than 29 TDs, 15 INts, and 3880 yards. We get, "I am a great QB on a struggling team." Jake wins again. So, just give it up.

Sorry whodi, but the team with the most injuries were the Titans...
sorry.....

I don't think that's right. Injuries to starters? I know McNair, and Brown was out a couple of games. Who else did they lose that was a starter? I tried to make it clear I was speaking of starters only. But it could be. Hmm, well if the Panthers weren't first, they were second. But again, we are talking about injuries to starters right?

Halo --

Could we open up yet another forum...this time we could call it the "Deciples of Jake" Forum so that folks that wanna come to a Saints Web Site and prop up another team's QB have a place all their own to do it?

Just a thought. ;)

.. the QB challenge is merely a promotional venue for both the NFL and EA, and there is really not much translation between it and a football game..

... that said, after 5 years, I still don't get the animosity towards Jake Delhomme...

... from the "he'll be an eternal clipboard holder in the NFL" -circa 2000, when he actually was a Saint and Aaron Brooks was still in Green Bay- to now ...


..BonB, didn't you win the QB challenge in 2003, or was it just the long throw competition?

Or he could make an I hate local guys who don't play for us forum. That's for those who could care less about people from their home state when they do well, except if they wear black and gold and aren't from here, then it doesn't really matter if they suck and embarrass the team, love them anyway!!

That's interesting. Of course, I don't know of anybody here who hates Jake. The perception is that not hating Brooks = hating Jake. But then people that think that aren't really reading they're assuming, or just trying to stir trouble.

Anyhoo, what other Louisiana players do you start threads about, or is it just Jake, and isn't there a Delhomme website or a Panther web site where it might not be so, well, the word that comes to mind is "obvious"? Then again, I don't think you'd get the desired results at one of those places huh? ;)

What other Louisiana player has recently won an NFL sanctioned event or been in a Superbowl? I'll wait on your answer to see who I missed. 8)

Keep comments like this out of the forums.

Recently won an "NFL sanctioned" event or been in a Superbowl? Tell ya what, I'll keep my eye on the next " NFL sanctioned event" for one. How'd that be? Oh, Wait!

21 Randall Gay, CB 5-11 186 5/5/82 R Louisiana State
33 Kevin Faulk, RB 5-8 202 6/15/76 6 LSU
91 Marquise Hill, DE 6-6 300 8/7/82 R Louisiana State
97 Jarvis Green, DL 6-3 290 1/12/79 3 LSU


All of the above players not only went to school in Louisiana but were born there and were on the Patriots 2004 Super Bowl roster and yet none of them have been so fortunate as to have you start a thread about them on a Saints web Site simple because they did well.

Let's see, the 2004 Superbowl. Wasn't that the one in Houston? I think it was. Wasn't that the one where the Patriots beat the Panthers (read Jake Delhomme since he's clearly a one man team)? Yes, I do think it was. 4 players from Louisiana on the roster of the winning team that year. Now that should qualify as "recent" I'd think, and they have a ring too huh? Yeppers, they sure do. I guess they weren't as prominant in the game tho huh Whodi? Either way, they're from Louisiana, and they won the frappin' Superbowl man! Shouldn't they, at the very least, have someone like you post a thread here in their honor based on your qualifications...ummm...being from Louisiana and either having won an "NFL Sactioned Event" or been in a Superbowl. Hell man, these guys are all OVER that, and yet you missed them totally. Oooooops, huh? 8)

Didn't take long eh? AND, they're on the Pats, another of your favorite teams. How in the WORLD did you ever miss THOSE guys? Oh, I bet I know. I bet it's because you couldn't stir up quite so much crap by mentioning their names huh? Yes, yes, it's ok Whodi. We all get busted from time to time.

So tell me why, again, it is that you've got such a stiffy for Jake Delhomme...08 tell you how good he was, or does winning the "NFL Sanctioned" QB challenge really mean that much to you? Maybe you're trying to impress Whodat? LMMFAO :o

Throwing my 2 cents in -- congratulations Jake -- Wish you were here but since you're not I hope you have another great season but bomb in your games against New Orleans -- However -- while I wish you well statwise I want your team to go 1-15.

Wow, I guess you missed the post I made about them, as well as Marshall Faulk, and Aeneas Williams, in another thread. Yikes saintfan. When you go down in flames, you make sure it's a BIG explosion. Let me pour some gas:

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/ind...r=asc&start=15

Crash and burn.

That was your post...this very thread...the one you linked to, the very first post in it. You have not started other threads giving props to other louisiana players, you have mentioned other louisiana players in your defense of starting this thread about Jake Delhomme.

Can you see the difference? Probably not...pour all the gas you'd like Whodi, but I met your criteria, can you meet mine? I'd like to see a link where YOU started a thread on this site giving props to a player from Louisiana because he either "Won an NFL Sanctioned Event" or played in a Superbowl. Can you do it bud? Wanna try? Here's some gas to add to that little fire.

...crash...

OH, and burn.

wow. That was weak. But I was doing a little reaearch. Found a goody back from January.
http://www.blackandgold.net/site/ind...t=7738&start=0

Guess who was the first to comment about Rohan Davey? And openly lobbied for us to bring him in? Back in January? Damn saintfan, what you doing walking through fire with gasoline draws on? That was WAY before this Jake thread. I am sure I could find others giving props to LSU players, but I think you have been embarrassed enough.

Did you start the CURRENT thread by stating Jake is available and we should go after him? Naw...you sure didn't. You seem to miss the point, or you seem to be taking a cue from your brethren, which is fairly clear.

Rohan Davey? Keep reading here for more about Mr. Davey and how he's not what you're looking for based on your very own criteria. Find me ONE...just ONE thread, a thread YOU started, and started for NO OTHER REASON (you say) other than to give props to a player from another team simply because he's from Louisiana and he "Won an NFL Sanctioned Event" or played in a Superbowl. You can't do it Whodi because you've NEVER done it. Jeesh, man, I didn't make up the rules here, you did...thing is you didn't know you'd get called to the carpet for it either huh? LMAO

Oh and by the way, Mr. Davey isn't from anywhere NEAR Louisiana. The deal here is LOUISIANA PLAYERS is it not? Players FROM Louisiana. Along with your lesson in humility I'll be glad to thown in some Geography for a very small fee. You see, players from Jamaica don't fit your previously mentioned criteria now do they?

Oh, and, here's the link to the Patriots site just in case... ;)

http://cachewww.patriots.com/Team/in...rBio&bio=17890

Yes, I agree that it was. VERY weak in fact.

Embarrassed? I think not... 8)

Who's wearing the gasoline draws Whodi? :lol:

LMAO. The ultimate irony. Not hating Brooks = hating Jake, huh?

Could the same be said of not hating Jake = hating Brooks?


To draw any inference on a person's feeling about one player based on his thoughts on another is unwise. If I say that Jake is a better QB than Brooks, which is an opinion (that just happens to be true), does that mean I don't like Brooks? Have I said Brooks is a bad QB? Have I blamed him for the team's woes? Why is it that if I were to say that LT is a better back than Deuce nobody would bat an eyelash, but if I say Delhomme is a better QB than Brooks I'm an agenda-wongering pessimist who simply hates AB? And don't even pretend like you haven't said exactly that. :)

Well well well...here's comes the cavalry! I can already smell the horse shi!.

Would it also then be unwise to "draw any inference" on a person's feeling about the QB based on his/her thoughts about the defense? Would that also be unwise? Get Fu&^'in real spin doctor.

No, it certainly does not. The crap you've spewed here for years is how I know you don't like Brooks. If we won the Superbowl with Brooks as our QB I swear I do think some people would say we won it in spite of him, and you'd be right there leading the charge.

Your "agenda" has not one damn thing to do with Delhomme. Don't even "pretend like" you don't know that. Neither I not Delhomme nor Brooks have anything to do with the fact that you're an "agenda-wongering pessimist". Blame your parents for that one.

By the way Whodi, it was nice of Whodat to do what he could to divert the "conversation"...you remember...the one where you were tellling me (or trying to) that you post stuff about Louisiana players ALL the time...oh sure you do. :roll: I'm still waiting...maybe Whodat will help you look. He used to do that for some of his other deciples, so don't go thinking your special. ;)

Damn, you are reaching now saintsfan. Did Davey or did he not go to LSU? Does LSU stand for Laos State University, or maybe it stands for Lincoln State University? No, is stands for LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY. Get it? Meaning a player from LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY is gonna get my support. Cause LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY is in no other state than, yup you guessed it, LOUISIANA. Get it now? I also made a thread openly callign for Saban to be our head coach. Guess where his last college job was? I also made a thread saying the 3rd WR job was Devery's once we traded Pathon. Guess where he went to school. LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY which in in the state of......well, I hope you can figure that out yourself. How long ago was the superbowl saintfan? 6 months? If that recent to you? Would yesterday be more recent than 6 months ago? In my world it is.

HEre's my Saban thread:

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/ind...ght=nick+saban

Again LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY. Didn't know you would try to pick at something so small, but let me explain. If player A goes to LSU, played A is a hometown guy to me. If player B is from Louisiana but does not go to LSU, player B is still a hometown guy to me. Any clearer? But ya know what? This is getting us nowhere. I didn't know saying something good about a local guy could cause so many people to be offended. I guess Brooks has more crushes than just Billy.

Out of respect for Halo, that's my last reply on this junk. Brooks lovers know how to turn a good thing into drama. :roll:

Well Let's see here Whodi...a player from LSU gets your support...mine too. That's GREAT to hear. Now, moving forward...be so kind as to allow me to quote ya on a few things here brotha...

I'm reaching? I read that as "Louisiana player", don't you? Lemme quote you again if I may be so bold...

"Those who could care less about people from their home state when they do well" I do believe you said. PEOPLE FROM FROM FROM FROM FROM THEIR HOME STATE!!!!!!!!!!!! Your whole argument here is that Jake is a homestate boy right? That's how you began defending your posting of this thread (among others)...that you give props to home state players that do good things. Excuse me for pointing this out, but Davey doesn't qualify, geographically speaking. Now, I can certainly understand how you'd want to expand this little deal based on the fact that you haven't been able to locate one single solitary thread that YOU started where you're giving props to another player FROM Louisiana for having won some "NFL Sanctioned Event" or playing in the Superbowl, so you feel the need to now expand it so that you're allowed to include players that played their college ball in Louisiana. How bout you expand it even further and include any player in the NFL who's ever even been to New Orleans, to play football or otherwise. Go ahead and expand your own rules out that far and keep looking and do the following:

Fine ONE thread that YOU started with the purpose of giving props to ANY player for either winning an officialy sponsored "NFL Event" or for playing in the Superbowl. You might have a chance so long as we don't restrict you to Louisiana born players.

Oh, by the way, back home well call this Crawfishin'...or in your case, crawfishin' with gasoline draws. ;)

Reading comprehension. :wink:

In my homestate. I have made several threads about players and a coach from that school, which is in my homestate, which I support.

Stir the pot all you want, you have nothing better to do then to start petty arguments that falls back into how much you love Aaron, and how much you hate Jake. His every success eats at you so much you have to pick out little insignificant details and turn them into an argument that wasn't even based on the original thought. Just cause I don't think you are clear on this, LSU PLAYERS ARE HOMESTATE GUYS TO ME. Or do you think you only have to be born there to go to LSU? For some reason, I can believe that. Halo has asked me to move on, I suggest you do the same, cause you have done nothing but prove you have a crush on Brooks, and will pounce at any chance to discredit anyone who respects Jake. Sad, but when you support Aaron Brooks, what else do you really have but attempting to down others? Jake is from my homestate, he gets my support. LSU players attend the most successful college in my state, they get my support. Your Brooks love agenda isn't gonna change that. Find a new hobby.

I don't particularly want to further inflame the situation but.....
It's pretty obvious to me that both of you ( well 3 if you count whodat) have very strong feelings about the issue. The reality is that for more objective Saints fans (not from Louisiana, incidentally) Delhomme is someone who blossomed when thrown into a second half rally that defied the odds. He just took that momentum and kept going. In many ways, he set the standard right out of the gates, the team seemed to respond and rally around some off-field crisis' and snowball it into a memorable season.

Last year the team was genuinely hurt by significant injuries and somehow they managed a late season surge. Character. However, as we all know, when crunch time came, when it was all on the line, the playoffs beckoning with a win at HOME, the panthers were dominated. The scoreline would suggest that it was a squeaker, but it wasn't. Following the personal foul call on the Saints in the first half, the Saints just decided they were going to win ( count AB among those) and they did.

My lingering impression of Delhomme from that day is one of a gutsy leader who was outmatched. Truth be told he tried to do too much and threw some bad balls. This was the same team that had rallied through the second half of the season and was on the brink of success vs. the team that had been ridiculed by its owner. The saints won fair and square. And Brooks was obviously the more composed and clinical QB on the day. My gut feeling is that Delhomme is like a much less talented Favre, while AB is like a much less likeable Randall Cunningham. When AB is ON he will throw the 60 yard rainbow or scramble for the heart in the mouth 3rd and 10. They both have greatness in them, but neither can do it all alone. For that matter NO QB can do it alone. Try to reconcile your differences boys 'cause this is gonna be a good year for the Black and Gold. Honest. It will be.

johnnythesaint,

Well put. I appreciate your level headed reply. And to all on this thread, let's stop the finger pointing and repeated arguments. Go to the everything else board to fight. If you're going to reply please say something with substance. If it can't work I'll lock it but I don't want to and you guys know that.

Excuse me, but I didn't start this one. I called you to the floor for your intensions -- the very reason that you started this thread, and you've crawfished your way into a corner you can't get out of. It's ok. I tee'd you up and took a swing, I admit that. Maybe you can admit why you REALLY started this thread now, but I doubt you're capable. Either way, I think we all know why you started it, at least those of us that read your posts know why.

For the record, and you can look it up, I have nothing against Jake, not now and not ever. I simply recognize where all the Jake love comes from...at least most of it, and the reason you and a very select few others start threads like this one, and you apprear to be guilty as charged. Go check my post just after the 2004 Superbowl and quote me. After you've done that, THEN come back here and type "Brooks Lover" and "Jake Hater" and all that other crap followed by my name...IF you can. Know your facts before you start in with me k? In fact, how about I post it for you and save you the work. You've been searching in vain most of the day I'm sure for those "ghost" posts of yours...here's mine:

You better believe I've argured the Jake/Brooks argument. You have no idea my man...none a'tall, but there you have my feelings on Jake Delhomme all summed up nicely for you. Before you start in on callling me a "Jake Hater" or a "Brooks Lover" you might check and make sure you're not standing on shaky ground. I know why you started this little thread and you know why you started this little thread. Your opening comment pretty much says it all, substantiated by today's crawfishin'.

Hey Whodat, he used that "A" word. What are you gonna do about it? Got your RED MARKER handy? Bias much? LMAO

My work here is done...'til next time ya'll. 8)

And people ask why I retired? LOLOLOL

I get it now, you are back to ASSuming. You ASSumed why I started this thread, then ASSumed a repsonse that really had no place in the discussion. I started a thread to congratulate a guy from Louisiana. Sorry if that offends you. Every other player I named went to LSU, if I went just hometown, threre would only be about two out of actual New Orleans. But LSU is within my state and happens to be the college I love, and their players play FOR THE STATE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA, therefore, they are hometown boys form me. I am sorry I can't make you understand that Louisiana Stae University is in Louisiana, but I am sure everyone else understands that. There's always one though. Just so you are straight, I previously reported a rumor that a player from my home state won the NFL QB challenge, and after it was over I confirmed it. NOTHING in my original post says ANYTHING at all about Brooks, but all you have to do is ASSume right?

And who cares what you wrote about a Superbowl two years ago? You readily admit you were happy when he was playign bad.

And so cause he played fantastic, you want me to believe you started liking him? And I am crawfishing? Tell me about the bridge you have for sale, it's about as believable as that drivel. IF you can't accept congratulations for a player form our home state, I don't know what to tell you. My state ain't the greatest, but I am glad I grew up there, and like to see success stories form there, cause there are so few. Too bad your Jake hate doesn't allow that.

Amen.

A guy can't even joke anymore. :) Good to see you around though Joe.

Oh, and Johnny - don't lump me in with those two lunatics! LOL



As for the AB v. Jake debate.... well, I just don't know what more there is to talk about. Unless and untill AB can put together a halfway decent year, there's really no contest. Delhomme has the leadership, heart, and character you want in any player, especially a quarterback. I don't know that anyone has ever been able to make a convincing argument otherwise. AB just doesn't have the intangibles.

AB's strength over Delhomme has always been his superior athleticism. However, Delhomme has progressed more rapidly in his two years as a starter and his stats this year were better than Brooks' in about every category... and he did it with his starting RBs out, his number one WR gone, his line beat up, and that great defense decimated by injuries. If those are all excuses for AB, why are they not for Delhomme.

So Delhomme is ahead in intangibles, has better recent stats, has a better winning percentage as a starter, and has proven that he can take a team to the playoffs and super bowl, and come up big when it counts. All AB has PROVEN is that he is physically gifted, but seemingly unable to translate those gifts into consistent quality play. Where people must make excuses and use "ifs" for Aaron Brooks, Delhomme has proven that he is capable already by his play. There's really no argument...

I feel ya saintfan.....Delhomme is regarded as some kind of God in this forum.
I like the dude too but HE IS NOT A SAINT!
Aaron Brooks is who we have and thats that.
Who's better?????who cares.
The decision was made and we got who we got.
Geez....some of you guys are like X-girlfriends who don't accept the breakup.
<ching>

And for the record, I was born in LA but reside in L.A.....
I love the state of LA and love the history and passion of natives...BUT
I feel that alot of times "people" are blinded by the HOMER mentality.
Good is good and bad is not what we want the Saints to be.

Should rename this place "knottslanding.com" :roll:

you funny dude......

What kind of rating would we get with :

:shock:

A damn hi one.....smartass...

Local boy from a small college makes it to the NFL and capitalizes on his small opportunity to play. If you are from La., you would be talking about Delhomme. If you are from Ms., you would be talking about Favre. Two great players with the same story. Back your hometown hero!

Jake's been gone for quite a while now and he's not coming back. It would be nice if we still had Jake but we do not. Brooks is our guy for the time being like him or not. I understand people from the area following his career but I root aganist him every game he plays. He is a QB for a division rival just like Vick and Griese and I hope he plays poorly every time out. Jake has been with the Panthers long enough now that I rarely even think about his time as a Saint. I do think that there is some resentment towards Brooks implied when there is a post commending Jake. No one ever mentions Willie Roaf who is a local guy who we could have really used the past few years.

Just to get back on topic,

I just watched the QB Challenge on NFL Network. Jake looked really good. Afterwards his comments seemed to sound like his comments during the season. "The receivers caught the throws well even when I didn't deliver them correctly" (paraphrased).

HUMILITY!

CERTAIN QBs understand that they are not the whole team. Some don't get that. Maybe that is why the ones who do get it are more endearing to fans. I loved the fact that Bobby Hebert was a local guy but his attitude turned me off as much as the BRATTY attitude my 9 year old nephew displays. Perhaps if our current QB acted more like a teammate instead of thinking he is the team then we would rally around him more.

That being said: Joe Horn is the man! AB is POO without him.

OBTW, Jake LED his team to a Super Bowl.
Don't we have the most talented but underachieving team in the NFL?
Isn't the poster boy AB? :shock: