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Saint in Aus 09-23-2019 02:50 AM
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I'm definitely willing to give Teddy some time. Hasn't played a full game of regular season football for a very long time. It will take a bit of adjusting.

Crusader 09-23-2019 03:12 AM
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1. Harris is the best returnman we have had since Beerman. Sure he dropped one but stuff like that happens. His TD was glorious and exactly what the team needed to start the game.

2. Morsteads punting was stellar today. Pinning them inside the five twice is huge.

3. This might have been Davenports finest performance so far. Very active, stout against the run and bringing good pressure.

4. Alvin Kamara is something the truth. He carried the team today.

5. Teddy looked better today. Still a bit uneasy but better. He played as Cpt. Check down but doing so completed 70% of his passes.

6. Penalties, we have to clean this up. We can't have false starts, not being set when snapping the ball etc. It hurt the offense early in the game and helped the Seahawks late. If you try to make a tackle and happen to get hold of the facemask or push a little too much while trying to break free on a route I won't get mad but the pre-snap stuff drives me nuts.

7. McCoys athleticism on Kamaras screen TD was impressive. The big boy got down field in a hurry helping to clear the way.

8. Really good playcall on the TD to Thomas. Smart to throw a bubble screen which allows the guys in front to block for him.

9. The last TD the Seahawks scored kinda irked me. We picked it off twice to no avail because of penalties. 33-27 is allright but 33-21 would have looked even better.

10. I wanna send a gift to the Seahawks LB who nailed Carroll in the face.

11. The runblocking needs to get a whole lot better, QUICK.


EFFORT! You saw guys really fighting today. I believe its the type of game that can make or break a season. We lost one of the best QBs in the game last week which kinda deflated the team and we lost the game.
Today was a new game and the boys came out fighting and they kept fighting. Great team win!

SmashMouth 09-23-2019 04:12 AM
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So much for that September streak

Amazingly, the defeat was the Seahawks’ first at home in September during Pete Carroll’s 10 seasons as Seattle’s coach. Carroll’s Seahawks were 15-0 at home in September coming into Sunday. Carroll, it appeared, somehow got hit in the face by a football during pregame warmups, leaving the coach with a large cut on the left side of his nose. Yes, it was that kind of day. Did we mention Drew Brees didn’t even play for the Saints? The idea that the Seahawks could not only lose to a backup quarterback at home, but lose in such stupefying fashion has been almost unthinkable throughout the Carroll era.
Seattle Times Sports Page

SmashMouth 09-23-2019 04:36 AM
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SmashMouth 09-23-2019 04:40 AM
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Crusader 09-23-2019 04:52 AM
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Thats a pretty crazy streak.

TheOak 09-23-2019 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 857336)

I'll say it and I was wrong for years - Sean Payton ain't sh*t without Drew Brees - Brees has been worth every penny we've ever paid him...
You get an honorable mention for the honorable mention and exhibition of character. :bng:



I'll be here for everyone when Brees is gone and we start to remember what it was like to be a Saints fan before 2006. Brees has been a Saint for 14 years and for the last 10 years of that his name is mentioned consistently with only 2-3 others and one could argue top 10 in the history of the league...

Some times we do not want to know what we know because of what is implied after it is over... 'maybe she isn't that into you, she's just horny' :birthday:

Human nature can be difficult to understand at times, even our own. Does Teddy Bridgewater and Taysom Hill have the fans they do because they are that appealing or is it a hope that they end up being able to fill Drew's shoes? Both look the same, very different drivers.

TheOak 09-23-2019 06:53 AM
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1. Teddy does not make receivers better like Drew does, he is an average NFL QB. This is not a knock on Teddy average in the NFL for a QB is huge but he isn't going to make others around him better.

2. Kamara/Thomas/Morestead will carry this team. What you think about kickers needs to be put aside and you need to recognize that Morestead does more to give opponents bad field position that any other player or group on our team including our defense, and that's crucial.

3. To anyone that ever thought Drew was replaceable without a huge drop off. Sorry, its a cliff.

4. Our O-Line is good but can be very sloppy.

5. Our offense lacks a leader without Drew on the field. Helmets should have been slapped yesterday and none were.

6. Our defensive secondary lives and dies on luck, not skill.

7. In spite of all of the above we won, and that is what winners do. If you need stars to align to win you are average at best :bng:

K Major 09-23-2019 06:58 AM
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No one gonna mention Davenport so I will ...

Pressure all day on Wilson (Houdini), 7 tackles and held his own against a very good LT. Totally disruptive but it won't show on the highlights because Wilson has the ability to escape like no other.

Can't wait to see how Marcus does against Tyrin Smith in the dome.

Garry42 09-23-2019 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 857379)
1. Harris is the best returnman we have had since Beerman. Sure he dropped one but stuff like that happens. His TD was glorious and exactly what the team needed to start the game.

2. Morsteads punting was stellar today. Pinning them inside the five twice is huge.

3. This might have been Davenports finest performance so far. Very active, stout against the run and bringing good pressure.

4. Alvin Kamara is something the truth. He carried the team today.

5. Teddy looked better today. Still a bit uneasy but better. He played as Cpt. Check down but doing so completed 70% of his passes.

6. Penalties, we have to clean this up. We can't have false starts, not being set when snapping the ball etc. It hurt the offense early in the game and helped the Seahawks late. If you try to make a tackle and happen to get hold of the facemask or push a little too much while trying to break free on a route I won't get mad but the pre-snap stuff drives me nuts.

7. McCoys athleticism on Kamaras screen TD was impressive. The big boy got down field in a hurry helping to clear the way.

8. Really good playcall on the TD to Thomas. Smart to throw a bubble screen which allows the guys in front to block for him.

9. The last TD the Seahawks scored kinda irked me. We picked it off twice to no avail because of penalties. 33-27 is allright but 33-21 would have looked even better.

10. I wanna send a gift to the Seahawks LB who nailed Carroll in the face.

11. The runblocking needs to get a whole lot better, QUICK.


EFFORT! You saw guys really fighting today. I believe its the type of game that can make or break a season. We lost one of the best QBs in the game last week which kinda deflated the team and we lost the game.
Today was a new game and the boys came out fighting and they kept fighting. Great team win!
Great post!! Yes, there are areas that need improvement, but the whole Team played their hearts out today and won in a convincing manner. It was great to see!

K Major 09-23-2019 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 857390)
6. Our defensive secondary lives and dies on luck, not skill.
Depending how the Cards season unfolds, I'd make a call and see what it would take to get Patrick Petersen before the deadline.

Garry42 09-23-2019 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 857311)
Reading the Falcons board is one of my favorite things!! :)

st thomas 09-23-2019 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 857394)
Depending how the Cards season unfolds, I'd make a call and see what it would take to get Patrick Petersen before the deadline.


We tried . Before the season I thought. He’s not for sale/trade

ChrisXVI 09-23-2019 07:31 AM
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Just looking at the snap counts from yesterday and Latavius Murray only played one more snap than our fullback Zach Line.

st thomas 09-23-2019 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Garry42 (Post 857398)
Reading the Falcons board is one of my favorite things!! :)


Sounds like a bunch of 12 yos printing what the leader board looks like after week 3 is funny too

jeanpierre 09-23-2019 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 857394)
Depending how the Cards season unfolds, I'd make a call and see what it would take to get Patrick Petersen before the deadline.
If you're gonna spend that kind of draft capital, Jalen Ramsey is likely getting out of JAX...

Only possible complication is Payton having some communal loyalty to Doug Marrone, but if we'd had Ramsey yesterday, that'd been huge...

jeanpierre 09-23-2019 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 857375)
Yadda yadda yadda!!! If Brees perform exactly like Bridgewater with a W without a interception y'all would not even mention that a wr didn't receive a catch till the second quarter. The concept is play to what the defense give you plus the time of possession was in favor in 1st quarter to the Seahawks because of the punt return.


I am sure once Bridgewater become more comfortable and familiar with the 1st unit the ball will come out faster but to criticize so harshly after a win lead me to believe that some of you probably would've preferred a lost so you can criticize even more by saying Taysom should be the starter. If so, I hope y'all continue to sip on your haterade while Bridgewater thrive
Till he gets comfortable, how many games is that going to take?

I'd remind you Brees missed a game vs the Panthers, who were an elite defense, and Luke McCown shredded them, didn't need to get comfortable...

But you inadvertently hit it on the head, Bridgewater is just not comfortable, he's playing scared; likely scared he's gonna get hurt again...

jeanpierre 09-23-2019 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Saint in Aus (Post 857378)
I'm definitely willing to give Teddy some time. Hasn't played a full game of regular season football for a very long time. It will take a bit of adjusting.
So what was Carolina in the dome last year?

jeanpierre 09-23-2019 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 857400)
Just looking at the snap counts from yesterday and Latavius Murray only played one more snap than our fullback Zach Line.
None of our supposed key free agents have contributed well so far: you'd have a better chance of finding TE Jared Cook on Borden's Milk Carton...

Murray hasn't shared the load at all with Kamara, and that's exacerbated with how well Ingram is lighting it up with the Ravens...

Nick Easton has already been inactive, and we could've had better in Senio Kelemete had we kicked in an extra guarantee'd $2.5mil total and had him for the playoffs the two previous seasons to relieve Peat...

And we got better substitution play from Luke McCown for far less than the $7mil we overpaid for Checkdown Teddy; it's gonna be a white-knuckle ride till Drew hopefully gets back...

Cruize 09-23-2019 08:25 AM
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-Big win!
-Kamara is the truth. I would like to see Murray, Washington or even Line take the meaningless hand offs into the stacked line to end a game that's already been decided. Why expose Kamara to the hits?
-Morestead is the truth.
-Game changing punt return for a TD by Harris.
-Davis is Dome Patrol worthy.
-Great effort and run defense.
-Special teams all around with plays by Hardee, Robertson and Gray.
-Teddy looked tight to begin with but plays well when he just cuts it loose.
-The Saints have won two games they easily could have lost. Good sign.

-No impact so far from Cook.
-The Saints should look for a #2 WR of even average quality before the trade deadline. Completely lacking right now.
-Wilson is the real deal. But, you can't pressure/contain him with four guys and you can't just let him sit in the pocket with all day to throw. The blitz packages and covering behind them has to improve moving forward.
-Is there no one else available to run down on punts besides Hill? I get the opposing team has to prepare/be aware of fakes. But, I just believe it's more important he stays upright until Brees gets back.

K Major 09-23-2019 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 857409)
None of our supposed key free agents have contributed well so far: you'd have a better chance of finding TE Jared Cook on Borden's Milk Carton...

Murray hasn't shared the load at all with Kamara, and that's exacerbated with how well Ingram is lighting it up with the Ravens...

Nick Easton has already been inactive, and we could've had better in Senio Kelemete had we kicked in an extra guarantee'd $2.5mil total and had him for the playoffs the two previous seasons to relieve Peat...

And we got better substitution play from Luke McCown for far less than the $7mil we overpaid for Checkdown Teddy; it's gonna be a white-knuckle ride till Drew hopefully gets back...
And in saying all of that, the Saints still found a way to win on the road in a tough environment.

We are trending upward :bng:.

K Major 09-23-2019 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 857406)
If you're gonna spend that kind of draft capital, Jalen Ramsey is likely getting out of JAX...

Only possible complication is Payton having some communal loyalty to Doug Marrone, but if we'd had Ramsey yesterday, that'd been huge...
Ok, well see what it would take for Ramsey. Last report is that he could potentially be out with the "flu" :rolleyes: all week.

Like Oak pointed out earlier, we have been lucky on those boundaries more than good. I don't trust Apple Eli and PJ is just getting burned all over the field.

papz 09-23-2019 08:44 AM
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We just need to manage to be at .500 until Drew gets back. I was pessimistic but with the win and some luck, I think we can do it.

Cruize 09-23-2019 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 857407)
Till he gets comfortable, how many games is that going to take?

I'd remind you Brees missed a game vs the Panthers, who were an elite defense, and Luke McCown shredded them, didn't need to get comfortable...

But you inadvertently hit it on the head, Bridgewater is just not comfortable, he's playing scared; likely scared he's gonna get hurt again...
Pressure. Hostile environment. Rain. I understand him being tight. And I thought he played better as the game went on. This week against the Cowboys will show if he has enough to get the job done. No turnovers is the big key for him.

jeanpierre 09-23-2019 09:20 AM
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vpheughan 09-23-2019 09:41 AM
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And we got better substitution play from Luke McCown (0 - 1 as a starter by the way)

"Could've, would've, should've" is the difference in what I'm talking about! The good teams don't come in and say "Could've." They get it done! All right?.......... Jim Mora

Kick em when they up!! Kick em when they down!!

Rell&Gold 09-23-2019 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 857354)
You really think that Seattle team will make the playoffs as they are now?
What's stopping them?, Look I'm not saying they're "world beateers" or the most "eminent" team in the league or their division, but they are a competitive team. If we didn't play a full game yesterday we lose that game. Think about it we HAD to play a full game to win. That has to speak to something right? They're not the Legion of Boom but they aren't push overs either. IMHO

brees84 09-23-2019 09:54 AM
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Budsdrinker 09-23-2019 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 857392)
No one gonna mention Davenport so I will ...

Pressure all day on Wilson (Houdini), 7 tackles and held his own against a very good LT. Totally disruptive but it won't show on the highlights because Wilson has the ability to escape like no other.

Can't wait to see how Marcus does against Tyrin Smith in the dome.
Davenport has played well all 3 weeks. Before yesterday's game, fans didn't notice him because he was doing the dirty work. He was occupying double teams so others could make the play. Some fans only notice sacks and TFL.
Taking on double teams helps the rest of the guys look better.

SmashMouth 09-23-2019 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 857392)
No one gonna mention Davenport so I will ...

Pressure all day on Wilson (Houdini), 7 tackles and held his own against a very good LT. Totally disruptive but it won't show on the highlights because Wilson has the ability to escape like no other.

Can't wait to see how Marcus does against Tyrin Smith in the dome.
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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 857432)
Davenport has played well all 3 weeks. Before yesterday's game, fans didn't notice him because he was doing the dirty work. He was occupying double teams so others could make the play. Some fans only notice sacks and TFL.
Taking on double teams helps the rest of the guys look better.
PFF has noticed.

blackangold 09-23-2019 10:43 AM
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Just need to get Rankins back and the front 4 pass rush might be the best in the league.... just need a LB that can cover to replace Klein in passing situations.

st thomas 09-23-2019 10:47 AM
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Saw Dav in a lot of piles , he’s in there

jeanpierre 09-23-2019 11:07 AM
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Just need to get Rankins back and the front 4 pass rush might be the best in the league.... just need a LB that can cover to replace Klein in passing situations.
Going into Week 3, we lead the league in sacks, so one could argue we had the best pass rush in the league before Rankins...

jeanpierre 09-23-2019 11:09 AM
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jeanpierre 09-23-2019 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 857413)
And in saying all of that, the Saints still found a way to win on the road in a tough environment.

We are trending upward :bng:.
Exactly my point - we're finally getting terrific pass rush; we've got some honest, flawed, secondary coverage; we've got a terrific kicker; we've got a dependable All-Pro Right Tackle and Running Back; don't waste it...

homerj07 09-23-2019 11:34 AM
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This was on the Clowns sight... (enjoy the laugh! :doh: )

"We are in Indianapolis today and certainly should win if we play in our Philly form not our Minny form.

The Saints are in Seattle and would be lucky to win there even with Brees. And, now without Brees would require a Seahawk collapse.

The Panthers are in Arizona. With no Cam around, this is a battle of bad teams. Even with a win, it would require a loss by all 3 other South teams for Carolina to be tied for 1st.

Oddly, the Bucs have the most winnable game with the Giants visiting them. Barkley could run over them hopefully or the Bucs could just let Winston give it away.

So, if we win and everybody else loses -

W L GB
Falcons 2 1 -
Saints 1 2 1
Bucs 1 2 1
Panthers 0 3 2"

FinSaint 09-23-2019 02:13 PM
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I think TB played well and I can only laugh at the sentiment "below average QB" after that performance.

There were also success that isn't shown in the stats because of penalties. TB threw two 3-down conversion in the 1st quarter, one to Thomas and one to Carr, and he had that 15 yard run for a first down, which was taken away because of Kamara's chopblock.

He did a lot of things right and didn't turn the ball over playing in difficult circumstances.

K Major 09-23-2019 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Saint in Aus (Post 857378)
I'm definitely willing to give Teddy some time. Hasn't played a full game of regular season football for a very long time. It will take a bit of adjusting.
Precisely.

It's gonna take some time with the O line. When Teddy is in rhythm, he'll do a lot more damage.

Crusader 09-23-2019 02:24 PM
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The Dude 09-23-2019 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 857427)

And we got better substitution play from Luke McCown (0 - 1 as a starter by the way)

"Could've, would've, should've" is the difference in what I'm talking about! The good teams don't come in and say "Could've." They get it done! All right?.......... Jim Mora

Kick em when they up!! Kick em when they down!!
Our defense lost that game, not Luke. I don’t think Brees would have had a better day.


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