Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return

hitta · 09-27-2019, 11:18 PM

Yes, Brees is accurate and that is one of the reasons he is successful. Brees is also intelligent and has seen everything. This is why Bridgewater is semi-struggling right now cause he's having to develop and learn confidence in particular throws. He is way too hesitant and needs to take more risks. A Brees that is a little off in his accuracy is better than 90% of what is in the league for the simple reason that he knows when and where to pull the trigger. The only question for me is if there is higher risk of him re-injuring himself by coming back earlier. I don't care if he's a bit off accuracy wise.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-28-2019, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

He (TB) is way too hesitant and needs to take more risks.

I strongly disagree with this assessment. TB needs to be comfortable and self contained. His primary job first and foremost is not to give the ball away. Taking risky throws risks the ball being picked off.

Now that doesn't mean that TB shouldn't push the ball down the field. However, Payton should scheme for high levels of protection along with relatively open windows to throw into.

I'm going to keep saying that it's not TB's job to try to be Brees. It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time. It's is job to navigate this team to be in position to win games and not personally lose games.

An interception is way way worse than a sack or an incomplete pass. So Payton and TB should keep that risk in their back pocket until Brees gets back.

SFIAH

hitta · 09-28-2019, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I strongly disagree with this assessment. TB needs to be comfortable and self contained. His primary job first and foremost is not to give the ball away. Taking risky throws risks the ball being picked off.

Now that doesn't mean that TB shouldn't push the ball down the field. However, Payton should scheme for high levels of protection along with relatively open windows to throw into.

I'm going to keep saying that it's not TB's job to try to be Brees. It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time. It's is job to navigate this team to be in position to win games and not personally lose games.

An interception is way way worse than a sack or an incomplete pass. So Payton and TB should keep that risk in their back pocket until Brees gets back.

SFIAH

You can't become comfortable with the throws unless you actually start to make them. He needs to expand on what he's doing now, I'm not saying he should take some crazy risks.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-28-2019, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

You can't become comfortable with the throws unless you actually start to make them. He needs to expand on what he's doing now, I'm not saying he should take some crazy risks.

How many picks would TB have to throw trying to be comfortable before we decide this is a failed experiment?

The Saints' offense doesn't need to do anything more as long as what they are doing is winning football. Arbitrarily forcing the offense into a pattern of execution outside their normal operation scope is the path towards losing.

If the defense dictates such throws, then Payton should scheme for success on those plays. Otherwise the Saints' offense should dictate tempo to the defense.

Brees has been at this for 19 seasons. It's a mistake to try to force backup QBs to emulate Brees.

SFIAH

hitta · 09-28-2019, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

How many picks would TB have to throw trying to be comfortable before we decide this is a failed experiment?

The Saints' offense doesn't need to do anything more as long as what they are doing is winning football. Arbitrarily forcing the offense into a pattern of execution outside their normal operation scope is the path towards losing.

If the defense dictates such throws, then Payton should scheme for success on those plays. Otherwise the Saints' offense should dictate tempo to the defense.

Brees has been at this for 19 seasons. It's a mistake to try to force backup QBs to emulate Brees.

SFIAH

He is routinely passing up open receivers because they aren't open enough. It's not about emulating Brees, it's about not being afraid of failure.

TheOak · 09-29-2019, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time.

Yes Sir., that is exactly the job of a backup NFL Quarter Back that finds him self under center.

There is a lot of opinion out there that Teddy should only focus on managing the clock and protect the ball, if that’s what we need, put Taysom Hill in... he runs better. We can cut Teddy in the off-season and he can be someone else’s 7.5MM space.

Teddy Bridgewater has started 1.5 games for the Saints. I’d prefer to see him a bit more before we neuter him as an excuse for his ability.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-29-2019, 09:47 AM

I feel like some of you are missing my point. I want TB to do what it takes to win. I just don't feel that it's more important to open up the offense than it is to win games.

We all know that Payton and Carmichael are scheming the offense. If TB is playing the dink and dunk game, it's because that's what the offensive coaching brain trust wants him to do.

Now is not the time to try to figure out if TB is the future of the QB position for the Saints. Now is the time to win games and get the best playoff positioning we can get given the circumstances.

I will repeat, if it takes TB throwing over the top to win games, then I'm fine with it. If we can win dinking and dunking, then I'm fine with that too. What I have a problem with is the narrative that the Saints must "find out" if TB is the QB of the future by exposing him to possibly unnecessary risks. The Saints should game plan to win games using the skillsets that their current start QB offers, nothing more, nothing less.

SFIAH

SaintSproles · 09-29-2019, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I feel like some of you are missing my point. I want TB to do what it takes to win. I just don't feel that it's more important to open up the offense than it is to win games.

We all know that Payton and Carmichael are scheming the offense. If TB is playing the dink and dunk game, it's because that's what the offensive coaching brain trust wants him to do.

Now is not the time to try to figure out if TB is the future of the QB position for the Saints. Now is the time to win games and get the best playoff positioning we can get given the circumstances.

I will repeat, if it takes TB throwing over the top to win games, then I'm fine with it. If we can win dinking and dunking, then I'm fine with that too. What I have a problem with is the narrative that the Saints must "find out" if TB is the QB of the future by exposing him to possibly unnecessary risks. The Saints should game plan to win games using the skillsets that their current start QB offers, nothing more, nothing less.

SFIAH

Yeah there is no way we are auditioning TB for the heir apparent position. We are only trying to win games. Throw for 40 yards and win, who cares. Throw for 400 because it calls for it, yep that's gonna happen to.

WillSaints81 · 09-29-2019, 10:58 AM

Brees has overcome obstacles before. Like with his shoulder injury. He also believes in God and knows he can do all things through Christ.

Aaron Rodgers when he tried to rush back from a collarbone injury, did not have the same sentiment. His whole process was completely different.

09-27-2019, 11:18 PM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,333	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return Yes, Brees is accurate and that is one of the reasons he is successful. Brees is also intelligent and has seen everything. This is why Bridgewater is semi-struggling right now cause he's having to develop and learn confidence in particular throws. He is way too hesitant and needs to take more risks. A Brees that is a little off in his accuracy is better than 90% of what is in the league for the simple reason that he knows when and where to pull the trigger. The only question for me is if there is higher risk of him re-injuring himself by coming back earlier. I don't care if he's a bit off accuracy wise.
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09-28-2019, 09:48 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return Originally Posted by hitta He (TB) is way too hesitant and needs to take more risks. I strongly disagree with this assessment. TB needs to be comfortable and self contained. His primary job first and foremost is not to give the ball away. Taking risky throws risks the ball being picked off. Now that doesn't mean that TB shouldn't push the ball down the field. However, Payton should scheme for high levels of protection along with relatively open windows to throw into. I'm going to keep saying that it's not TB's job to try to be Brees. It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time. It's is job to navigate this team to be in position to win games and not personally lose games. An interception is way way worse than a sack or an incomplete pass. So Payton and TB should keep that risk in their back pocket until Brees gets back. SFIAH K Major likes this.
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09-28-2019, 04:35 PM	#3
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,333	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I strongly disagree with this assessment. TB needs to be comfortable and self contained. His primary job first and foremost is not to give the ball away. Taking risky throws risks the ball being picked off. Now that doesn't mean that TB shouldn't push the ball down the field. However, Payton should scheme for high levels of protection along with relatively open windows to throw into. I'm going to keep saying that it's not TB's job to try to be Brees. It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time. It's is job to navigate this team to be in position to win games and not personally lose games. An interception is way way worse than a sack or an incomplete pass. So Payton and TB should keep that risk in their back pocket until Brees gets back. SFIAH You can't become comfortable with the throws unless you actually start to make them. He needs to expand on what he's doing now, I'm not saying he should take some crazy risks.
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09-28-2019, 06:24 PM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return Originally Posted by hitta You can't become comfortable with the throws unless you actually start to make them. He needs to expand on what he's doing now, I'm not saying he should take some crazy risks. How many picks would TB have to throw trying to be comfortable before we decide this is a failed experiment? The Saints' offense doesn't need to do anything more as long as what they are doing is winning football. Arbitrarily forcing the offense into a pattern of execution outside their normal operation scope is the path towards losing. If the defense dictates such throws, then Payton should scheme for success on those plays. Otherwise the Saints' offense should dictate tempo to the defense. Brees has been at this for 19 seasons. It's a mistake to try to force backup QBs to emulate Brees. SFIAH
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09-28-2019, 06:32 PM	#5
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,333	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL How many picks would TB have to throw trying to be comfortable before we decide this is a failed experiment? The Saints' offense doesn't need to do anything more as long as what they are doing is winning football. Arbitrarily forcing the offense into a pattern of execution outside their normal operation scope is the path towards losing. If the defense dictates such throws, then Payton should scheme for success on those plays. Otherwise the Saints' offense should dictate tempo to the defense. Brees has been at this for 19 seasons. It's a mistake to try to force backup QBs to emulate Brees. SFIAH He is routinely passing up open receivers because they aren't open enough. It's not about emulating Brees, it's about not being afraid of failure.
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09-29-2019, 06:28 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time. Yes Sir., that is exactly the job of a backup NFL Quarter Back that finds him self under center. There is a lot of opinion out there that Teddy should only focus on managing the clock and protect the ball, if that’s what we need, put Taysom Hill in... he runs better. We can cut Teddy in the off-season and he can be someone else’s 7.5MM space. Teddy Bridgewater has started 1.5 games for the Saints. I’d prefer to see him a bit more before we neuter him as an excuse for his ability.
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09-29-2019, 09:47 AM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return I feel like some of you are missing my point. I want TB to do what it takes to win. I just don't feel that it's more important to open up the offense than it is to win games. We all know that Payton and Carmichael are scheming the offense. If TB is playing the dink and dunk game, it's because that's what the offensive coaching brain trust wants him to do. Now is not the time to try to figure out if TB is the future of the QB position for the Saints. Now is the time to win games and get the best playoff positioning we can get given the circumstances. I will repeat, if it takes TB throwing over the top to win games, then I'm fine with it. If we can win dinking and dunking, then I'm fine with that too. What I have a problem with is the narrative that the Saints must "find out" if TB is the QB of the future by exposing him to possibly unnecessary risks. The Saints should game plan to win games using the skillsets that their current start QB offers, nothing more, nothing less. SFIAH AsylumGuido and K Major like this.
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09-29-2019, 11:48 AM	#8
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I feel like some of you are missing my point. I want TB to do what it takes to win. I just don't feel that it's more important to open up the offense than it is to win games. We all know that Payton and Carmichael are scheming the offense. If TB is playing the dink and dunk game, it's because that's what the offensive coaching brain trust wants him to do. Now is not the time to try to figure out if TB is the future of the QB position for the Saints. Now is the time to win games and get the best playoff positioning we can get given the circumstances. I will repeat, if it takes TB throwing over the top to win games, then I'm fine with it. If we can win dinking and dunking, then I'm fine with that too. What I have a problem with is the narrative that the Saints must "find out" if TB is the QB of the future by exposing him to possibly unnecessary risks. The Saints should game plan to win games using the skillsets that their current start QB offers, nothing more, nothing less. SFIAH Yeah there is no way we are auditioning TB for the heir apparent position. We are only trying to win games. Throw for 40 yards and win, who cares. Throw for 400 because it calls for it, yep that's gonna happen to.

09-29-2019, 10:58 AM	#9
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return Brees has overcome obstacles before. Like with his shoulder injury. He also believes in God and knows he can do all things through Christ. Aaron Rodgers when he tried to rush back from a collarbone injury, did not have the same sentiment. His whole process was completely different.

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