Funny thing about Blake-Brooks season

spkb25 · 07-21-2005, 06:02 PM

whodi i understand what some of your criticism is all about. i mean he really does make some bonehead plays at times. you have to admit though that last year he at times was running for his life. also the offense and its struggles last year can be in part blamed on false starts and other dumb penalties starting us at first and long situations. you would also have to admit that we became one dimensional because our d was letting up so many points. there was also the very bad idea of the one back set that didn't work. i don't like the fact that he doesn't put up 60% or better. i don't like the way he has been seen laughing after throwing int's but maybe that is how he deals with it. this way not letting himself get to down so that he can go back and try at it again. i really think he is an above average qb. i think his ability speaks for itself. at this point though he should be making better decisions. one thing i do like about him is that he is there every week. he plays. you can't say a guy doesn't care when he gets in there and plays every week.

the most important thing to me about arron this year though is that we don't make the playoffs wqithout him. we need him to play well and have a good year. if he doesn't im not throwing in the towel but things just got a whole lot tougher. well unless mcpher. has an amazing year. so i understand some of your criticism but i also know that as saints fans we all better be hoping the guy comes out and has a stud year. well if we want to watch them play in january for once

saintswhodi · 07-21-2005, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

whodi i understand what some of your criticism is all about. i mean he really does make some bonehead plays at times. you have to admit though that last year he at times was running for his life. also the offense and its struggles last year can be in part blamed on false starts and other dumb penalties starting us at first and long situations. you would also have to admit that we became one dimensional because our d was letting up so many points. there was also the very bad idea of the one back set that didn't work. i don't like the fact that he doesn't put up 60% or better. i don't like the way he has been seen laughing after throwing int's but maybe that is how he deals with it. this way not letting himself get to down so that he can go back and try at it again. i really think he is an above average qb. i think his ability speaks for itself. at this point though he should be making better decisions. one thing i do like about him is that he is there every week. he plays. you can't say a guy doesn't care when he gets in there and plays every week.

the most important thing to me about arron this year though is that we don't make the playoffs wqithout him. we need him to play well and have a good year. if he doesn't im not throwing in the towel but things just got a whole lot tougher. well unless mcpher. has an amazing year. so i understand some of your criticism but i also know that as saints fans we all better be hoping the guy comes out and has a stud year. well if we want to watch them play in january for once

I don't agree with everything you said spk, but I would like nothing more, nothing in this world more, than for Aaron Brooks to proove me wrong. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Aaron Brooks, I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE prove me wrong. I will gladly eat every word, sing your praises whatever, so please prove me wrong. PLEASE. Prove those last 4 years were a fluke, and you truly are a great and top 5 QB, you truly do belong in this league. PLEASE. Nothing would make me happier, and that's the God's honest truth. All that keeps piling up though year after year is reasons why Aaron is being held back from getting it done. So PLEASE Aaron, if you do one thing in your career, prove me wrong.

ScottyRo · 07-21-2005, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

And experiece is the key? Okay, Tom Brady his first year as a starter completed 60% of his passes, with no pro bowl RB or receiver. Big Ben completed over 60% of his passes as a rookie. I guess experience is the key. Let's hope 6 years of experience will be enough for us to get a 60% completion rate.

Dude, you just set yourself up to have every other poster throw every single name of every failed rookie QB (by that criteria), in your direction.

Yeah I know, but at the same time, I am sick of people trying to annoint Aaron Brooks as some great QB. I am trying to point out how average he is, and show how he has not improved since year one game one. Peyton didn't do it either as a rookie, but some have. So basically, some have and some haven't. I'll take my chances.

I'm not trying to annoint AB as anything. All I'm pointing out is that you made a list claimed everything was equal and derived that it must be that AB was a lesser Qb than Blake. He could be but your lofgic was flawed. I haven't read past the origonal post from the quote above yet, but you haven't acknowledged that that comparison is flawed. To me, this just illustrates your propensity and desire to twist everything related to AB into a negative without regard for honesty.

And obviously, there can be some examples of inexperienced QBs attaining the 60% mark. Are suggesting that it is the rule rather than the exception? If not, why are you holding AB to the exceptional standard?

ScottyRo · 07-21-2005, 07:22 PM

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Aaron Brooks, I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE prove me wrong.

I sincerely believe that you do want him to prove you wrong and I hope he does too.

I responded to this post initially because I felt like even though there is more than enough bad things to bring up about AB, this particular Blake/AB comparison was way off the mark. I think the way AB came in having not practiced with the first team all year and never having started in an NFL game before that he did very well to get 57% of his passes completed. Especially now that I know just how inconsistent he can be.

My thing is that it's ok to slam AB, but it needs to be kept on a fair level and not just outright ignoring his positives or valid excuses for lesser stats in order to try to show that he's a horrible QB.

saintswhodi · 07-21-2005, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Aaron Brooks, I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE prove me wrong.

I sincerely believe that you do want him to prove you wrong and I hope he does too.

I responded to this post initially because I felt like even though there is more than enough bad things to bring up about AB, this particular Blake/AB comparison was way off the mark. I think the way AB came in having not practiced with the first team all year and never having started in an NFL game before that he did very well to get 57% of his passes completed. Especially now that I know just how inconsistent he can be.

My thing is that it's ok to slam AB, but it needs to be kept on a fair level and not just outright ignoring his positives or valid excuses for lesser stats in order to try to show that he's a horrible QB.

If he proves me wrong, we are probably in the playoffs, I want nothing more. HERE IS ME BEGGING AGAIN AARON. PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. PLEASE. And that's no joke.

Just to address what you are saying Scotty, very few QBs get handed a playoff team their first year starting, Aaron was one. Brady and Big Ben were others. Out of the three, Aaron was the only one who could not reach 60% passing, and he only played in 6 regular season games. His window for reaching 60% was much MUCH smaller. Yet he couldn't do it. If you find some more first year or rookie QBs who got forced into action on playoff teams but couldn't complete 60% of their passes, i'd like to see it. I said Peyton, but he wasn't on a playoff team when he started. I don't see it as flawd at all. It was Blake's first year in our system, it wasn't Aaron's first year in the league, it was his second, so he went through Green Bay's system, then ours, then almost 3/4s of a season watching Jake. It wasn't as if he just jumped off the turnip truck like you wanna make it seem. How long would you like him to sit the bench til he gets enougfh exerience? It was over a year and a half of being in the NFL. Two other QBs I can think of right off top stepped into similar situations, and did well. I guess I am asking too much for AB to have done the same.

SO I am begging again AB, PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. That can only mean the team will be doing well. We all should be for that.

ScottyRo · 07-21-2005, 07:50 PM

btw, AB had a better QB rating in 2000 than Blake. I can see why you'd omit that and harp completion %.

spkb25 · 07-21-2005, 08:14 PM

but brooks' wasn't handed a playoff team. he was handed a team who could be headed to the playoffs. also williams was hurt after the 10th game in the season and didnt play again, which means our best rusher was and christ am i right on this terry allen. so brooks has as his rusher terrry allen and blake had ricky who that year had already rushed for 1000 yards in 10 games. dude are you honestly going to tell me that that doesn't matter. because we are talking about that year no.

bro i really do understand your criticism but man trent dilfer is average. are you saying that brooks is no better then trent dilfer. please don't tell me that

saintswhodi · 07-21-2005, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

btw, AB had a better QB rating in 2000 than Blake. I can see why you'd omit that and harp completion %.

AB also played in less games thus had less opportunity to committ turnovers. But I can see why you would make that seem irrelevant.

saintswhodi · 07-21-2005, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

Just to address what you are saying Scotty, very few QBs get handed a playoff team their first year starting, Aaron was one. Brady and Big Ben were others. Out of the three, Aaron was the only one who could not reach 60% passing, and he only played in 6 regular season games. His window for reaching 60% was much MUCH smaller. Yet he couldn't do it. If you find some more first year or rookie QBs who got forced into action on playoff teams but couldn't complete 60% of their passes, i'd like to see it

This is freakin ridiculous, Aaron Brooks was handed a playoff team?? That team was a horrible team, that had no defense! we won because we played and beat the other worst in the NFL! Big Ben was handed a legit team, Brady was handed a legit team....You have lost all sense of reality! This Saints team hasn't been NFL calibre since 96'. When will you stop with your ridiculous AB bashing making up ridiculous excuses, to make yourself sound correct??! Beating the under .500 teams and going to the playoff doesn't mean you were handed a legit playoff team!

So what you are saying is, if your team makes the playoffs and win a game, they are not a legit playoff team? So in effect, since by your opinion which directly contradicts the NFL records books, since you don't feel we were a playoff team, we didn't really make the playoffs? I don't see what you are getting at. We were 7-3 when AB took over, leading the division if I am not mistaken, or right there, yet we weren't a legit playoff team? What the hell else are you supposed to do in the NFL besides beat the teams you are supposed to beat, lose to them? We did that the first half of this season. Why, I am crazy and you are sitting hear bad mouthing our only season with a playoff win. And I am not a true fan of this team? Priceless.

ScottyRo · 07-21-2005, 09:08 PM

Then Ab had fewer games and fewer opportunities to bring his passing completion % up, too. I'm sure you'd agree.

07-21-2005, 07:07 PM	#22
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by spkb25 whodi i understand what some of your criticism is all about. i mean he really does make some bonehead plays at times. you have to admit though that last year he at times was running for his life. also the offense and its struggles last year can be in part blamed on false starts and other dumb penalties starting us at first and long situations. you would also have to admit that we became one dimensional because our d was letting up so many points. there was also the very bad idea of the one back set that didn't work. i don't like the fact that he doesn't put up 60% or better. i don't like the way he has been seen laughing after throwing int's but maybe that is how he deals with it. this way not letting himself get to down so that he can go back and try at it again. i really think he is an above average qb. i think his ability speaks for itself. at this point though he should be making better decisions. one thing i do like about him is that he is there every week. he plays. you can't say a guy doesn't care when he gets in there and plays every week. the most important thing to me about arron this year though is that we don't make the playoffs wqithout him. we need him to play well and have a good year. if he doesn't im not throwing in the towel but things just got a whole lot tougher. well unless mcpher. has an amazing year. so i understand some of your criticism but i also know that as saints fans we all better be hoping the guy comes out and has a stud year. well if we want to watch them play in january for once I don't agree with everything you said spk, but I would like nothing more, nothing in this world more, than for Aaron Brooks to proove me wrong. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Aaron Brooks, I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE prove me wrong. I will gladly eat every word, sing your praises whatever, so please prove me wrong. PLEASE. Prove those last 4 years were a fluke, and you truly are a great and top 5 QB, you truly do belong in this league. PLEASE. Nothing would make me happier, and that's the God's honest truth. All that keeps piling up though year after year is reasons why Aaron is being held back from getting it done. So PLEASE Aaron, if you do one thing in your career, prove me wrong.

07-21-2005, 07:12 PM	#23
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by BlackandBlue And experiece is the key? Okay, Tom Brady his first year as a starter completed 60% of his passes, with no pro bowl RB or receiver. Big Ben completed over 60% of his passes as a rookie. I guess experience is the key. Let's hope 6 years of experience will be enough for us to get a 60% completion rate. Dude, you just set yourself up to have every other poster throw every single name of every failed rookie QB (by that criteria), in your direction. Yeah I know, but at the same time, I am sick of people trying to annoint Aaron Brooks as some great QB. I am trying to point out how average he is, and show how he has not improved since year one game one. Peyton didn't do it either as a rookie, but some have. So basically, some have and some haven't. I'll take my chances. I'm not trying to annoint AB as anything. All I'm pointing out is that you made a list claimed everything was equal and derived that it must be that AB was a lesser Qb than Blake. He could be but your lofgic was flawed. I haven't read past the origonal post from the quote above yet, but you haven't acknowledged that that comparison is flawed. To me, this just illustrates your propensity and desire to twist everything related to AB into a negative without regard for honesty. And obviously, there can be some examples of inexperienced QBs attaining the 60% mark. Are suggesting that it is the rule rather than the exception? If not, why are you holding AB to the exceptional standard?

07-21-2005, 07:35 PM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by ScottyRo PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Aaron Brooks, I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE prove me wrong. I sincerely believe that you do want him to prove you wrong and I hope he does too. I responded to this post initially because I felt like even though there is more than enough bad things to bring up about AB, this particular Blake/AB comparison was way off the mark. I think the way AB came in having not practiced with the first team all year and never having started in an NFL game before that he did very well to get 57% of his passes completed. Especially now that I know just how inconsistent he can be. My thing is that it's ok to slam AB, but it needs to be kept on a fair level and not just outright ignoring his positives or valid excuses for lesser stats in order to try to show that he's a horrible QB. If he proves me wrong, we are probably in the playoffs, I want nothing more. HERE IS ME BEGGING AGAIN AARON. PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. PLEASE. And that's no joke. Just to address what you are saying Scotty, very few QBs get handed a playoff team their first year starting, Aaron was one. Brady and Big Ben were others. Out of the three, Aaron was the only one who could not reach 60% passing, and he only played in 6 regular season games. His window for reaching 60% was much MUCH smaller. Yet he couldn't do it. If you find some more first year or rookie QBs who got forced into action on playoff teams but couldn't complete 60% of their passes, i'd like to see it. I said Peyton, but he wasn't on a playoff team when he started. I don't see it as flawd at all. It was Blake's first year in our system, it wasn't Aaron's first year in the league, it was his second, so he went through Green Bay's system, then ours, then almost 3/4s of a season watching Jake. It wasn't as if he just jumped off the turnip truck like you wanna make it seem. How long would you like him to sit the bench til he gets enougfh exerience? It was over a year and a half of being in the NFL. Two other QBs I can think of right off top stepped into similar situations, and did well. I guess I am asking too much for AB to have done the same. SO I am begging again AB, PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. That can only mean the team will be doing well. We all should be for that.

07-21-2005, 09:02 PM	#28
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by ScottyRo btw, AB had a better QB rating in 2000 than Blake. I can see why you'd omit that and harp completion %. AB also played in less games thus had less opportunity to committ turnovers. But I can see why you would make that seem irrelevant.

07-21-2005, 09:05 PM	#29
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackonBlack Just to address what you are saying Scotty, very few QBs get handed a playoff team their first year starting, Aaron was one. Brady and Big Ben were others. Out of the three, Aaron was the only one who could not reach 60% passing, and he only played in 6 regular season games. His window for reaching 60% was much MUCH smaller. Yet he couldn't do it. If you find some more first year or rookie QBs who got forced into action on playoff teams but couldn't complete 60% of their passes, i'd like to see it This is freakin ridiculous, Aaron Brooks was handed a playoff team?? That team was a horrible team, that had no defense! we won because we played and beat the other worst in the NFL! Big Ben was handed a legit team, Brady was handed a legit team....You have lost all sense of reality! This Saints team hasn't been NFL calibre since 96'. When will you stop with your ridiculous AB bashing making up ridiculous excuses, to make yourself sound correct??! Beating the under .500 teams and going to the playoff doesn't mean you were handed a legit playoff team! So what you are saying is, if your team makes the playoffs and win a game, they are not a legit playoff team? So in effect, since by your opinion which directly contradicts the NFL records books, since you don't feel we were a playoff team, we didn't really make the playoffs? I don't see what you are getting at. We were 7-3 when AB took over, leading the division if I am not mistaken, or right there, yet we weren't a legit playoff team? What the hell else are you supposed to do in the NFL besides beat the teams you are supposed to beat, lose to them? We did that the first half of this season. Why, I am crazy and you are sitting hear bad mouthing our only season with a playoff win. And I am not a true fan of this team? Priceless.

07-21-2005, 06:02 PM	#21
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	whodi i understand what some of your criticism is all about. i mean he really does make some bonehead plays at times. you have to admit though that last year he at times was running for his life. also the offense and its struggles last year can be in part blamed on false starts and other dumb penalties starting us at first and long situations. you would also have to admit that we became one dimensional because our d was letting up so many points. there was also the very bad idea of the one back set that didn't work. i don't like the fact that he doesn't put up 60% or better. i don't like the way he has been seen laughing after throwing int's but maybe that is how he deals with it. this way not letting himself get to down so that he can go back and try at it again. i really think he is an above average qb. i think his ability speaks for itself. at this point though he should be making better decisions. one thing i do like about him is that he is there every week. he plays. you can't say a guy doesn't care when he gets in there and plays every week. the most important thing to me about arron this year though is that we don't make the playoffs wqithout him. we need him to play well and have a good year. if he doesn't im not throwing in the towel but things just got a whole lot tougher. well unless mcpher. has an amazing year. so i understand some of your criticism but i also know that as saints fans we all better be hoping the guy comes out and has a stud year. well if we want to watch them play in january for once

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07-21-2005, 07:22 PM	#24
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Aaron Brooks, I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE prove me wrong. I sincerely believe that you do want him to prove you wrong and I hope he does too. I responded to this post initially because I felt like even though there is more than enough bad things to bring up about AB, this particular Blake/AB comparison was way off the mark. I think the way AB came in having not practiced with the first team all year and never having started in an NFL game before that he did very well to get 57% of his passes completed. Especially now that I know just how inconsistent he can be. My thing is that it's ok to slam AB, but it needs to be kept on a fair level and not just outright ignoring his positives or valid excuses for lesser stats in order to try to show that he's a horrible QB.

07-21-2005, 07:50 PM	#26
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	btw, AB had a better QB rating in 2000 than Blake. I can see why you'd omit that and harp completion %.

07-21-2005, 08:14 PM	#27
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	but brooks' wasn't handed a playoff team. he was handed a team who could be headed to the playoffs. also williams was hurt after the 10th game in the season and didnt play again, which means our best rusher was and christ am i right on this terry allen. so brooks has as his rusher terrry allen and blake had ricky who that year had already rushed for 1000 yards in 10 games. dude are you honestly going to tell me that that doesn't matter. because we are talking about that year no. bro i really do understand your criticism but man trent dilfer is average. are you saying that brooks is no better then trent dilfer. please don't tell me that

07-21-2005, 09:08 PM	#30
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Then Ab had fewer games and fewer opportunities to bring his passing completion % up, too. I'm sure you'd agree.