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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal Cam is not a bust, in the sense of being horrible or useless. He has to be used in a very specific way, and that style of play has predictably gotten his body beaten up. It's ...

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Old 10-30-2019, 06:01 PM   #1
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Re: The Heisman QB Curse Lives

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Cam is not a bust, in the sense of being horrible or useless. He has to be used in a very specific way, and that style of play has predictably gotten his body beaten up. It's why no one wanted the college style running QB for so many years.

As a passer, he's a gunslinger who isn't particularly accurate. A completion percentage under 60% in today's NFL is pretty bad. You mentioned him having better numbers than Troy Aikman. When Cam's career is over, you'll notice that he'll have "better" numbers than a lot of hall of famers. That goes for pretty much any QB who starts for at least 10 years in this era. QB's are so sheltered by the rules now, and with all the emphasis on having to tackle a certain way, receivers have a lot more freedom. And aside from that, the NFL has gone through several offensive revolutions that have opened up the field for QB's.

Being a great QB is about being efficient, making all the necessary throws, and being able to adjust to different situations. QB's in Aikman's day did not throw it NEARLY as much as they do today. But if they were required to throw the ball 40 times in a game, the great one's could put up massive numbers. That just wasn't the preferred style and, again, defenses were MUCH more physical, because they were allowed to be.

So comparing stats with different eras is pointless. So far, Lamar Jackson is doing well and reminds me a ton of Michael Vick in his prime years with the Falcons. We'll see how long he holds up. That is always the question with that style of QB. It's exciting for a while, but these guys tend to flame out pretty quickly. An athletic QB who has reasonable accuracy is very difficult to game plan for, but when you run it like a running back, 15 to 20 times every game, your body breaks down like a running back. It's why I would never want to put my franchise on the back of a dual threat QB. Too much money involved to have your QB taking that many shots.
I made it a point to reference the fact that Newton has far more TD’s with much less attempts than Aikman. As far as Jackson, he doesn’t remind me of Vick at all. Vick wasn’t even close to completing 60% of his passes. Jackson is completing 63%. That’s a mark we HOPE a Taysom Hill could match if he ever became a starter.
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Old 10-30-2019, 07:33 PM   #2
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Re: The Heisman QB Curse Lives

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I made it a point to reference the fact that Newton has far more TD’s with much less attempts than Aikman. As far as Jackson, he doesn’t remind me of Vick at all. Vick wasn’t even close to completing 60% of his passes. Jackson is completing 63%. That’s a mark we HOPE a Taysom Hill could match if he ever became a starter.
And I made a point of reminding you of the massive difference in the rules today. Touchdown passes is your argument? When the Cowboys got near the goal line, guess who got the ball? That's the way the game was played then, and there was very little of this dink and dunk "extension of the run game" that QB's pad their stats with today.

That's all before we get into the rules that prohibit breathing on a QB's nearest relative, or throwing a flag for hitting a receiver in a way that isn't absolutely perfect. If you put guys like Aikman, and especially Elway, Young, Montana and Marino in today's NFL, they'd be blowing away Cam's stats.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 10-31-2019, 12:08 PM   #3
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And I made a point of reminding you of the massive difference in the rules today. Touchdown passes is your argument? When the Cowboys got near the goal line, guess who got the ball? That's the way the game was played then, and there was very little of this dink and dunk "extension of the run game" that QB's pad their stats with today.

That's all before we get into the rules that prohibit breathing on a QB's nearest relative, or throwing a flag for hitting a receiver in a way that isn't absolutely perfect. If you put guys like Aikman, and especially Elway, Young, Montana and Marino in today's NFL, they'd be blowing away Cam's stats.
When the Panthers got near the goal line they ran Cam Newton, DeAngelo Williams, or Jonathan Stewart. The Panthers have been a run heavy organization for decades now. And honestly, Cam doesn’t get those calls. He has the “Shaq and LeBron Effect” at the position.
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