USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating

saintfan · 11-11-2019, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by dam1953

Agree with the comments, especially about our D line. Our D line was the strength of the team, stuffing the run and pressuring QB's. Yesterday, they did neither. So far this year Matty has been subjected to a beating, yet somehow we could barely lay a hand on him.

If we had, guess what?

Illegal use to the hands. Hands to the face. 5 yard penalty. 1st down Atlanta.

It isn't that they were making it up, the refs I mean, but it seemed pretty clear to me that was their focus. One of the announcers stated in 50 years he'd never seen anything like it. You can call holding on every play too, and we've been victimized by that as well.

I ain't sayin'. I'm just sayin'...

Barry from MS · 11-11-2019, 03:24 PM

I don't typically agree with the turd refs, but those hands-to-the-face calls were legit.

We were flat & sloppy from the opening play. Both lines got whooped. To blame refball for this outcome is delusional. You don't get stomped at home then blame officiating for the final score. The refs didn't sack or pressure Drew or let the Clowns run the ball down our throat.

Got stuff to work on this week. 7-2 is still better by a good margin in this trash division. Coaching should keep the wagon from catching on fire.

saintfan · 11-11-2019, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

I don't typically agree with the turd refs, but those hands-to-the-face calls were legit.

We were flat & sloppy from the opening play. Both lines got whooped. To blame refball for this outcome is delusional. You don't get stomped at home then blame officiating for the final score. The refs didn't sack or pressure Drew or let the Clowns run the ball down our throat.

Got stuff to work on this week. 7-2 is still better by a good margin in this trash division. Coaching should keep the wagon from catching on fire.

And when they repeatedly call a team for holding why is that? Holding can be called on virtually every play. Nobody can convince me they weren't focusing on that for a reason.

jeanpierre · 11-11-2019, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Those huge long drives were penalty aided. They were stopped repeatedly by the defense, but given reprieves on automatic first down defensive hands to the face on four occasions. Prior to this year that may have been a call that would be seen once a year at most.

Yeah, AG, but after the second time it was called, you'd think Saints players, coaches would've adjusted, stopped doing it...

Agree they were BS calls, just like you can find holding on every play, but the ATL obviously stayed up late game-planning...

And the ATL scouts obviously found something, and tipped off the officials in pre-game meetings, voicing concerns...

Bress said there's a number of things that contribute to failure yesterday, but the inability to match their intensity is why we failed...

PTSD kicked in from some of those Bengals, Panthers losses where they ran roughshod in the Dome just a few seasons ago...

CHA_CHING · 11-11-2019, 06:19 PM

Oh my god, FFS...

Officiating did not cost us this game.

This was a 17 point loss where we didn't score a touchdown.

Did you know the last time a 1-7 team beat an 8-1 team? Back in 1986; the Dan Fouts led Chargers beat the 8-1 Broncos. That Denver team went on to get thrashed in the SB to the Giants.

That's how long it is been though since an upset like this.

Blame it on the refs; our defense and o-line committed most of those boneheaded penalties. Our 40 year old quarterback, looked like a 40 year old quarterback unable to throw anything 15 yards down the field for most of the day. Our only 2 offensive weapons (MT and Kamara) were completely shut down and we didn't have any alternative game plan.

We have 3 games this year we haven't scored a touchdown in. First time in the Payton era we did not score double digits in the Superdome.

This loss is pretty bad and I'm not about to blame the refs. We need to get past this persecution complex with conspiracies and blaming refs on everything when the team played like absolute dog crap.

jnormand · 11-11-2019, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

Oh my god, FFS...

Officiating did not cost us this game.

This was a 17 point loss where we didn't score a touchdown.

Did you know the last time a 1-7 team beat an 8-1 team? Back in 1986; the Dan Fouts led Chargers beat the 8-1 Broncos. That Denver team went on to get thrashed in the SB to the Giants.

That's how long it is been though since an upset like this.

Blame it on the refs; our defense and o-line committed most of those boneheaded penalties. Our 40 year old quarterback, looked like a 40 year old quarterback unable to throw anything 15 yards down the field for most of the day. Our only 2 offensive weapons (MT and Kamara) were completely shut down and we didn't have any alternative game plan.

We have 3 games this year we haven't scored a touchdown in. First time in the Payton era we did not score double digits in the Superdome.

This loss is pretty bad and I'm not about to blame the refs. We need to get past this persecution complex with conspiracies and blaming refs on everything when the team played like absolute dog crap.

Wr agree on something!!!

darksoul35 · 11-11-2019, 06:59 PM

its not the complete reason we lost but it sure helped. I pretty much expect it from the refs now. We have to play with more passion especially against a rival. This was a trap game and hopefully they learn from it and the Lattimore injury hurt us too. I don't understand why P.J was one on one with Jones as much as he was. Im not sure if I could think of a worse match up than that.

Barry from MS · 11-11-2019, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

And when they repeatedly call a team for holding why is that? Holding can be called on virtually every play. Nobody can convince me they weren't focusing on that for a reason.

Yes, holding can be called on the line and the secondary every play. The reason they focused on it was when Oneymata pushed the guy's helmet off on the 1st hands to the face call. They were looking for it after that. They found it, too. I saw the replays and the calls were legit.

They coulda called more on the Clowns on several plays but they weren't blatant like Oneymata's was. That's the way it is sometimes. I'm sure you've watched enough to know that after a blatantly obvious foul the refs are more inclined to pull the trigger for the same type of foul, even if they are ticky tack.

But the flags didn't make us lose by 17 at home. We beat ourselves without the ref's help.

CHA_CHING · 11-11-2019, 07:50 PM

Refs didn't make us not score a touchdown at home and get held without double digit numbers at the Dome for the first time in the Sean Payton era.

Refs didn't make our 40 year old quarterback suddenly look aged and declined.

Refs didn't tell the defense to get slaughtered on 3rd down.

Refs didn't tell the offensive line and defense to keep making a lot of those boneheaded penalties; yes a lot of them were legit.

And while we're at it, to play fair, let's talk about all the calls on the Falcons for false starts; something that would've helped us if we didn't keep shooting ourselves in the foot on third downs. It's not like every single call went against us. Usually in NFL games, there are bad calls on both sides, but fans will only focus on the ones that hurt their team.

I swear, between Bountygate and the non-call, this fan base had their brains broken. When the refs are the biggest blame of a 17 point loss, that's evidence we live in La La Land... It's always the refs fault for some reason, even when the game is a blowout loss.

Vrillon82 · 11-11-2019, 10:35 PM

Saints defense as much responsible to, they usually look more physical and locked on, they didnt in this game. They allowed almost every 3rd down to convert including Matt Ryan to scramble for a 1st which is uncharacteristic of this defense even letting Ryan get 2 yards let alone 7-8 which he did a couple times. The whole team just didnt look prepared.

11-11-2019, 01:56 PM	#11
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating Originally Posted by dam1953 Agree with the comments, especially about our D line. Our D line was the strength of the team, stuffing the run and pressuring QB's. Yesterday, they did neither. So far this year Matty has been subjected to a beating, yet somehow we could barely lay a hand on him. If we had, guess what? Illegal use to the hands. Hands to the face. 5 yard penalty. 1st down Atlanta. It isn't that they were making it up, the refs I mean, but it seemed pretty clear to me that was their focus. One of the announcers stated in 50 years he'd never seen anything like it. You can call holding on every play too, and we've been victimized by that as well. I ain't sayin'. I'm just sayin'... jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-11-2019, 03:24 PM	#12
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating I don't typically agree with the turd refs, but those hands-to-the-face calls were legit. We were flat & sloppy from the opening play. Both lines got whooped. To blame refball for this outcome is delusional. You don't get stomped at home then blame officiating for the final score. The refs didn't sack or pressure Drew or let the Clowns run the ball down our throat. Got stuff to work on this week. 7-2 is still better by a good margin in this trash division. Coaching should keep the wagon from catching on fire. jnormand and CHA_CHING like this.

11-11-2019, 05:09 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating Originally Posted by Barry from MS I don't typically agree with the turd refs, but those hands-to-the-face calls were legit. We were flat & sloppy from the opening play. Both lines got whooped. To blame refball for this outcome is delusional. You don't get stomped at home then blame officiating for the final score. The refs didn't sack or pressure Drew or let the Clowns run the ball down our throat. Got stuff to work on this week. 7-2 is still better by a good margin in this trash division. Coaching should keep the wagon from catching on fire. And when they repeatedly call a team for holding why is that? Holding can be called on virtually every play. Nobody can convince me they weren't focusing on that for a reason. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II, darksoul35 and 2 others like this.

11-11-2019, 05:20 PM	#14
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Those huge long drives were penalty aided. They were stopped repeatedly by the defense, but given reprieves on automatic first down defensive hands to the face on four occasions. Prior to this year that may have been a call that would be seen once a year at most. Yeah, AG, but after the second time it was called, you'd think Saints players, coaches would've adjusted, stopped doing it... Agree they were BS calls, just like you can find holding on every play, but the ATL obviously stayed up late game-planning... And the ATL scouts obviously found something, and tipped off the officials in pre-game meetings, voicing concerns... Bress said there's a number of things that contribute to failure yesterday, but the inability to match their intensity is why we failed... PTSD kicked in from some of those Bengals, Panthers losses where they ran roughshod in the Dome just a few seasons ago... jnormand likes this.
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11-11-2019, 06:19 PM	#15
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating Oh my god, FFS... Officiating did not cost us this game. This was a 17 point loss where we didn't score a touchdown. Did you know the last time a 1-7 team beat an 8-1 team? Back in 1986; the Dan Fouts led Chargers beat the 8-1 Broncos. That Denver team went on to get thrashed in the SB to the Giants. That's how long it is been though since an upset like this. Blame it on the refs; our defense and o-line committed most of those boneheaded penalties. Our 40 year old quarterback, looked like a 40 year old quarterback unable to throw anything 15 yards down the field for most of the day. Our only 2 offensive weapons (MT and Kamara) were completely shut down and we didn't have any alternative game plan. We have 3 games this year we haven't scored a touchdown in. First time in the Payton era we did not score double digits in the Superdome. This loss is pretty bad and I'm not about to blame the refs. We need to get past this persecution complex with conspiracies and blaming refs on everything when the team played like absolute dog crap.

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11-11-2019, 06:32 PM	#16
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,530	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating Originally Posted by CHA_CHING Oh my god, FFS... Officiating did not cost us this game. This was a 17 point loss where we didn't score a touchdown. Did you know the last time a 1-7 team beat an 8-1 team? Back in 1986; the Dan Fouts led Chargers beat the 8-1 Broncos. That Denver team went on to get thrashed in the SB to the Giants. That's how long it is been though since an upset like this. Blame it on the refs; our defense and o-line committed most of those boneheaded penalties. Our 40 year old quarterback, looked like a 40 year old quarterback unable to throw anything 15 yards down the field for most of the day. Our only 2 offensive weapons (MT and Kamara) were completely shut down and we didn't have any alternative game plan. We have 3 games this year we haven't scored a touchdown in. First time in the Payton era we did not score double digits in the Superdome. This loss is pretty bad and I'm not about to blame the refs. We need to get past this persecution complex with conspiracies and blaming refs on everything when the team played like absolute dog crap. Wr agree on something!!! CHA_CHING likes this.

11-11-2019, 06:59 PM	#17
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,022	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating its not the complete reason we lost but it sure helped. I pretty much expect it from the refs now. We have to play with more passion especially against a rival. This was a trap game and hopefully they learn from it and the Lattimore injury hurt us too. I don't understand why P.J was one on one with Jones as much as he was. Im not sure if I could think of a worse match up than that.
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11-11-2019, 07:28 PM	#18
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating Originally Posted by saintfan And when they repeatedly call a team for holding why is that? Holding can be called on virtually every play. Nobody can convince me they weren't focusing on that for a reason. Yes, holding can be called on the line and the secondary every play. The reason they focused on it was when Oneymata pushed the guy's helmet off on the 1st hands to the face call. They were looking for it after that. They found it, too. I saw the replays and the calls were legit. They coulda called more on the Clowns on several plays but they weren't blatant like Oneymata's was. That's the way it is sometimes. I'm sure you've watched enough to know that after a blatantly obvious foul the refs are more inclined to pull the trigger for the same type of foul, even if they are ticky tack. But the flags didn't make us lose by 17 at home. We beat ourselves without the ref's help.
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11-11-2019, 07:50 PM	#19
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton doesn't excuse Falcons loss with lopsided officiating Refs didn't make us not score a touchdown at home and get held without double digit numbers at the Dome for the first time in the Sean Payton era. Refs didn't make our 40 year old quarterback suddenly look aged and declined. Refs didn't tell the defense to get slaughtered on 3rd down. Refs didn't tell the offensive line and defense to keep making a lot of those boneheaded penalties; yes a lot of them were legit. And while we're at it, to play fair, let's talk about all the calls on the Falcons for false starts; something that would've helped us if we didn't keep shooting ourselves in the foot on third downs. It's not like every single call went against us. Usually in NFL games, there are bad calls on both sides, but fans will only focus on the ones that hurt their team. I swear, between Bountygate and the non-call, this fan base had their brains broken. When the refs are the biggest blame of a 17 point loss, that's evidence we live in La La Land... It's always the refs fault for some reason, even when the game is a blowout loss.

11-11-2019, 10:35 PM	#20
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