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Crusader 11-17-2019 04:35 PM

Observations from the Saints win over the Bucs
 
1. D-line brought the pressure real good today. Completely different look from a week ago. Jordan is a monster. Just a half sack shy of double digits again.

2. Nice downfield blocking by Tre Smith on a couple of runs. He reminds me a little of Henderson in that aspect.

3. Michael Thomas is the truth! I might have written that before.

4. Much better protection this week. Armstead looked like a completely different player, the way he gets out on the perimeter to block is impressive for a guy his size.. Nick Easton didn't play up to Peat's level but was a tremendous upgrade over Clapp from a week ago.

5. Brees total yards was ho hum but he completed 80% of his throws. 18 catches between MT and Kamara doesn't leave a lot of opportunities for other guys.

6. I can't remember the last time we had 4 picks in a game. Great to see Marcus Williams take one to the house. He is playing some nice football right now.

7. Eli Apple is so improved since he got here. That was a steal from the Giants. The type of thing people would be *****ing about if the situation would be reversed.

8. Good to see Kamara back to his usual self.

9. Jared Cook had his best game as a Saint in the recieving department but he needs to clean up his technique on the down field blocks. He can't have 2 penalties for holdings.

10. Kiko Alonso is really growing on me. Quality player we got for cheap that is filling in very nicely after Anzalone's injury.

shawnkytonk 11-17-2019 04:43 PM

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#22 was a hell of a draft pick.

dizzle88 11-17-2019 04:46 PM

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Half agree, Half disagree.

In my opinion, Peat can stay on the bench, he's the weak link on our otherwise cohesive OL.

Both Holding calls on Jared Cook were bogus, he just overpowered the DB both times - something Gronkowski used to be applauded for, yet we get flagged for it.

Cam Jordan is a beast, Davenport is making his way towards bust status in my opinion - literally invisible every game day.

Someone other than MT and Kamara needs to step up, the playoffs will be a short trip for us if we dont learn from last years mistakes with the receiving core.

K Major 11-17-2019 04:49 PM

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#11. We have no other WR's opposite M Thomas and it could catch up with us in the post season.

Michael Gallup (drafted in 3rd round w/Tre Quan Smith) had 9 receptions and 149 yards today. He continues to get it done opposite Amari Cooper, meanwhile Tre's name was only called today on a penalty.

SMDH.

neugey 11-17-2019 04:55 PM

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- Demario Davis was all over the place. He might be a notch above Vilma to be honest.

- Loved TreQuan's basketball-style screen to get Michael Thomas the sideline and an extra 30-some yards. It's not all about catches.

- Better run-blocking up the middle today. Easton made a difference in that regard I think.

- Very glad we managed to close out the game and not let the Bucs turn it into a sweaty one.

shawnkytonk 11-17-2019 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867962)
#11. We have no other WR's opposite M Thomas and it could catch up with us in the post season.

Michael Gallup (drafted in 3rd round w/Tre Quan Smith) had 9 receptions and 149 yards today. He continues to get it done opposite Amari Cooper, meanwhile Tre's name was only called today on a penalty.

SMDH.

Seeing what E. Sanders is doing, we should have given up the same picks for him. Ridiculous.

K Major 11-17-2019 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 867964)

- Loved TreQuan's basketball-style screen to get Michael Thomas the sideline and an extra 30-some yards. It's not all about catches.

Did the Saints draft this guy in the 3rd rd to block or catch passes/TD's?

Tre is either injured, makes mental mistakes or virtually disappears (see Falcons & Bucs) in games. 0 production.

You are being far too kind to this guy. He's underachieved in New Orleans.

shawnkytonk 11-17-2019 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867966)
Did the Saints draft this guy in the 3rd rd to block or catch passes/TD's?

Tre is either injured, makes mental mistakes or virtually disappears (see Falcons & Bucs) in games. 0 production.

You are being far too kind to this guy. He's underachieved in New Orleans.

Agreed. He should be taking advantage of Ginn's lack of ability as a #2.

The Dude 11-17-2019 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 867960)
Half agree, Half disagree.

In my opinion, Peat can stay on the bench, he's the weak link on our otherwise cohesive OL.

Both Holding calls on Jared Cook were bogus, he just overpowered the DB both times - something Gronkowski used to be applauded for, yet we get flagged for it.

Cam Jordan is a beast, Davenport is making his way towards bust status in my opinion - literally invisible every game day.

Someone other than MT and Kamara needs to step up, the playoffs will be a short trip for us if we dont learn from last years mistakes with the receiving core.

I honestly forgot Davenport was on the team. Completely. CGJ looked good but needs to clean **** up. That last hold was stupid. He had help up top closing in fast. Don’t be a Browner.

neugey 11-17-2019 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867966)
Did the Saints draft this guy in the 3rd rd to block or catch passes/TD's?

Tre is either injured, makes mental mistakes or virtually disappears (see Falcons & Bucs) in games. 0 production.

You are being far too kind to this guy. He's underachieved in New Orleans.


I'd also love to see TreQuan get more involved in the passing game and of course it's a concern. Just glad he actually made a play to help the team instead of losing interest out there. It's so hard to know what is going on, the NFL cameras rarely ever give a look at the receivers routes to know what the dilemma with TreQuan is. Hopefully this sophomore slump ends soon.

SaintGnome 11-17-2019 05:55 PM

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I'm surprised how little chatter Demario Davis is getting, these last couple of games he seems like he's every where making key plays.

blackangold 11-17-2019 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 867974)
I'd also love to see TreQuan get more involved in the passing game and of course it's a concern. Just glad he actually made a play to help the team instead of losing interest out there. It's so hard to know what is going on, the NFL cameras rarely ever give a look at the receivers routes to know what the dilemma with TreQuan is. Hopefully this sophomore slump ends soon.

He just isn't a good fit for Drew, he is a speedy guy that can get down field. Brees doesn't throw the ball more than 20yds so he isn't of any use. MT is great because he runs a great slant and is physical off the ball, it's perfect for the short passer that drew is.

AsylumGuido 11-17-2019 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 867976)
I'm surprised how little chatter Demario Davis is getting, these last couple of games he seems like he's every where making key plays.

I was shouting out his glories the second we picked him up.

AsylumGuido 11-17-2019 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 867977)
He just isn't a good fit for Drew, he is a speedy guy that can get down field. Brees doesn't throw the ball more than 20yds so he isn't of any use. MT is great because he runs a great slant and is physical off the ball, it's perfect for the short passer that drew is.

The fact that he has dropped critical passes directly into his hands has to be blamed on Brees as well, right.

:rolleyes:

spkb25 11-17-2019 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 867977)
He just isn't a good fit for Drew, he is a speedy guy that can get down field. Brees doesn't throw the ball more than 20yds so he isn't of any use. MT is great because he runs a great slant and is physical off the ball, it's perfect for the short passer that drew is.

You understand our team is built different now, correct? Our game is ball control with the run and short quick passes so we control the clock. We have a defense that can stop teams now. Our philosophy has changed. Nothing is stopping him from being a lance/ willie type rec for us. Maybe he just cant get open

The Dude 11-17-2019 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 867976)
I'm surprised how little chatter Demario Davis is getting, these last couple of games he seems like he's every where making key plays.

I started saying a few weeks ago he is the best free agent acquisition since Brees. Dudes a stud. He’s playing elite. Great guy too. When that player got injured on that play he was involved in he immediately knelt, put his hand on the player and said a prayer. This is what we have as opposed to helmet swinging fools.
That’s sportsmanship right there.
Not a nice guy between the whistles though.

WW_Who_Dat 11-17-2019 06:27 PM

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Ironic

The Dude 11-17-2019 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 867980)
You understand our team is built different now, correct? Our game is ball control with the run and short quick passes so we control the clock. We have a defense that can stop teams now. Our philosophy has changed. Nothing is stopping him from being a lance/ willie type rec for us. Maybe he just cant get open

In a strange way I think Teddy Bridgewater set the tone for how this offense is going to run at this point in Brees career . It forced him to run it that way with Teddy. Who knows how long Payton would have tried to force our offense of 2-3 years ago into place if he hadn’t changed the game plan for Teddy. The loss in Atlanta just solidified it. This is our identity.

spkb25 11-17-2019 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 867983)
In a strange way I think Teddy Bridgewater set the tone for how this offense is going to run at this point in Brees career . It forced him to run it that way with Teddy. Who knows how long Payton would have tried to force our offense of 2-3 years ago into place if he hadn’t changed the game plan for Teddy. The loss in Atlanta just solidified it. This is our identity.

We definitely need another wide receiver, but SP determined this is who we are. And I think some of it has to do with protecting our oline a bit

ChrisXVI 11-17-2019 06:37 PM

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A rookie DE for the Raiders (Maxx Crosby) just had more sacks today than Marcus Davenport has all season... and he was a 4th round pick.

I know, I know, but Davenport does other things to effect the play.

spkb25 11-17-2019 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 867985)
A rookie DE for the Raiders (Maxx Crosby) just had more sacks today than Marcus Davenport has all season... and he was a 4th round pick.

I know, I know, but Davenport does other things to effect the play.

Davenport showed real promise early on, but other guys are outplaying him. Hope he turns it around

ChrisXVI 11-17-2019 06:55 PM

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Saw us playing a lot of 3-2-6 on defense with PRob blitzing almost every time from the dime CB spot.

neugey 11-17-2019 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 867988)
Saw us playing a lot of 3-2-6 on defense with PRob blitzing almost every time from the dime CB spot.


Seems like that is a trend going on in college football and sometimes now in NFL. Drop 8 back into zone, make the other QB throw into a sea of bodies and hope for the best. Like literally Iowa State and Texas both did this almost all afternoon yesterday, it's kind of weird.

gulfgambler 11-17-2019 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 867978)
I was shouting out his glories the second we picked him up.

So was I.

"under achieved" would be an upgrade; hard to tell the difference between the weeks he's inactive or active.

2nd year player, at this stage, BUST!

ChrisXVI 11-17-2019 07:27 PM

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So I decided to dive into just how much of a discrepancy there was in production between Michael Thomas and our other WR’s through 10 games...

Michael Thomas- 94 receptions

Every single other WR combined- 32 receptions

SaintGnome 11-17-2019 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 867991)
So I decided to dive into just how much of a discrepancy there was in production between Michael Thomas and our other WR’s through 10 games...

Michael Thomas- 94 receptions

Every single other WR combined- 32 receptions

So?

ChrisXVI 11-17-2019 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 867992)
So?

It’s a pretty wild stat.

jeanpierre 11-17-2019 07:55 PM

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  • @CantGuardMike is the best Wide Receiver in the NFL - and his best football is yet to come! With the game's rules today, he's nearly unstoppable...

  • Alvin Kamara looked to be his old self, Payton made an honest effort to spell him with Murray; but Ingram would have pinballed more yards today...

  • You can tell Cam is getting older, but like Drew, he's smarter, wiser and picking his spots; Tampa Bay wanted no part of him today...

  • Really happy that Trey Hendrickson was pass rushing with reckless abandon which is a relief after that ugly injury earlier in the season...

  • Hendrickson even had a QB knockdown, disrupting a pass and on the next play TB triple-teamed him, Cam was glad to eat...

  • Marcus Davenport just keeps disappearing; don't blame him for Payton stupidly putting two firsts and a fifth up for him, but Damn, play like a first rounder...

  • As much talk that there is re: another receiving option, which we do need, I'm more concerned about our offensive guards now, and moving forward...

  • Eli Apple has to be re-signed; not sure how we stretch those dollars, but his confidence is growing and if Aaron Glenn stays, he's getting better...

  • Gardner is still rough around the edges, but his play, coupled with Apple's improvement, we may see Vonn Bell expendable this offseason...

  • Linebacker play is so much better than what it was three years ago; saw some uninformed comments re: Klein; I'll just say we're not in the LB room...

  • We mostly play nickel as the trend in the league is Pass, Run, Pass; but today I saw lots of 3LBer sets vs a pass happy Bucs offense - that's encouraging...

  • Still a head-scratcher our abysmal record coming out of our BYE week; but it was nice to see the team come out and play with greater intensity...

  • Consider our best cornerback was out, was really impressed the way the defensive backs circled the wagons and only gave up big plays with a lead...

K Major 11-17-2019 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 867992)
So?

It means we have 1 WR and a lot of other WR's running around not getting open.

Cincy Bengaloos have had two guys progress throughout the season (not named AJ Green/Tyler Boyd) and catch 32 balls a piece with horrendous QB play, yet here we are 9+ weeks into the season we are talking about our #2, 3 WR situation.

saintfan 11-17-2019 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867996)
It means we have 1 WR and a lot of other WR's running around not getting open.

Cincy Bengaloos have had two guys progress throughout the season (not named AJ Green/Tyler Boyd) and catch 32 balls a piece with horrendous QB play, yet here we are 9+ weeks into the season we are talking about our #2, 3 WR situation.

Drew drops back. Wants to take a shot. Nobody is open. He 'settles' for something less, if anything.

That's becoming far too typical from one play to the next. I swear even my old :censored: could get open once or twice. Jeesh. With the lone exception of MT, we flat out suck at WR.

The Dude 11-17-2019 09:18 PM

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A few years back I started saying that Brees could play well into his 40’s if the Saints would make it a priority to sign 2 pro bowl to elite receivers. He extended average receivers careers by making them look like all stars and it was time to start signing/drafting receivers who could extend Brees career. Instead we have Peat, Davenport, wasted draft capitol and crappy FA acquisitions. So here we are.
**** is about to get real from here on out minus the payback we dish out on Atlanta.

SmashMouth 11-17-2019 09:22 PM

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neugey 11-17-2019 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867996)
It means we have 1 WR and a lot of other WR's running around not getting open.

Cincy Bengaloos have had two guys progress throughout the season (not named AJ Green/Tyler Boyd) and catch 32 balls a piece with horrendous QB play, yet here we are 9+ weeks into the season we are talking about our #2, 3 WR situation.


I mean if you want to measure if you suck at something, making a comparison to the Bengals is a good place to start. Yikes, that is an eye-opener.

SmashMouth 11-17-2019 09:25 PM

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SmashMouth 11-17-2019 09:34 PM

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cmike 11-18-2019 04:07 AM

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Mike is the best in the game. Only 50 catches remain for the record. Ain’t gonna leave a lot of room for others to get theirs. Sean and Brees will make sure of that. And I don’t think it’s necessarily a good thing. Mike is gonna take a lot of hits. He’s came up gimpy on some catches the last two weeks.

SaintGnome 11-18-2019 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867996)
It means we have 1 WR and a lot of other WR's running around not getting open.

Cincy Bengaloos have had two guys progress throughout the season (not named AJ Green/Tyler Boyd) and catch 32 balls a piece with horrendous QB play, yet here we are 9+ weeks into the season we are talking about our #2, 3 WR situation.

Does it? Didn't two other receivers catch TD's yesterday, we're they not open? Mike is getting open, setting records, we're winning, its not a bad thing. The sky is not falling.

K Major 11-18-2019 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 868022)
Does it? Didn't two other receivers catch TD's yesterday, we're they not open? Mike is getting open, setting records, we're winning, its not a bad thing. The sky is not falling.

If you don't truly believe the Saints need another legit #2, 3 WR ... I'm not sure what else to tell you.

But have that same energy come playoff time when Michael gets blanketed/harassed/removed from the game plan & you have to rely on "other" guys to make a play on a crucial drive.

BTW, keep your records this team wants another Lombardi.

Crusader 11-18-2019 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 867960)
In my opinion, Peat can stay on the bench, he's the weak link on our otherwise cohesive OL.

I do not agree. I actually like Peat over Warford and I like Warford.

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 867960)
Both Holding calls on Jared Cook were bogus, he just overpowered the DB both times - something Gronkowski used to be applauded for, yet we get flagged for it.

They are picky but technically correct. Cooks is big and strong enought to be able to man handle small safties the right way. He needs to move his hand 4 inches and its not a problem.

Crusader 11-18-2019 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867966)
Did the Saints draft this guy in the 3rd rd to block or catch passes/TD's?

He was drafted to help win football games and if that is being done by him blocking I'm fine with that.


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