Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

TheOak · 11-20-2019, 02:43 PM

The New Orleans Saints handled their Week 11 game with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with ease, but did so largely without second-year pass rusher Marcus Davenport. The starting defensive end played just 23 snaps against Tampa Bay, with backup Trey Hendrickson appearing on 34 plays. That’s obviously not the kind of disparity Saints fans would hope to see out of that duo.

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https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...venport-stats/

TheOak · 11-20-2019, 02:45 PM

In short talent utilization.

foreverfan · 11-20-2019, 08:20 PM

What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player?

AsylumGuido · 11-21-2019, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player?

No, a different player. Sounds like Dennis Allen wants Davenport in the same package as Rankin in running situations. This makes perfect sense with Allen's complex defense. Especially with the younger players. They can all master their role with veterans like Cam in there in all the situations.

spkb25 · 11-21-2019, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player?

The stranger part is Davenport was drafted to get after the QB. Trey also wasn't a top 15 pick. Its not supposed to take a top 15 picks 3 years in the league.

I hope he shows what he showed early on this year. He started off looking like he was going to be a monster. I remember posting multiple times on the board how much pressure and how solid he was playing. There's been a fall off and it is noticeable.

I hope maybe this past week was a kick in the balls for him and lights that fire.

K Major · 11-22-2019, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

The stranger part is Davenport was drafted to get after the QB. Trey also wasn't a top 15 pick. Its not supposed to take a top 15 picks 3 years in the league.

I hope he shows what he showed early on this year. He started off looking like he was going to be a monster. I remember posting multiple times on the board how much pressure and how solid he was playing. There's been a fall off and it is noticeable.

I hope maybe this past week was a kick in the balls for him and lights that fire.

A recent quote from sports analyst John Sigler :

"He’ll have down games where he’s simply outplayed by more experienced opponents. But the mere fact that leading the team (and maybe the rest of the NFL) in quarterback pressures is possible is noteworthy. Once he starts finishing his rushes better and gets opportunities to make a play rather than facilitate for someone else, the sacks will come."

Got to give him time boss. Just like Rankins ... & he's a beast now.

spkb25 · 11-22-2019, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

A recent quote from sports analyst John Sigler :

"He’ll have down games where he’s simply outplayed by more experienced opponents. But the mere fact that leading the team (and maybe the rest of the NFL) in quarterback pressures is possible is noteworthy. Once he starts finishing his rushes better and gets opportunities to make a play rather than facilitate for someone else, the sacks will come."

Got to give him time boss. Just like Rankins ... & he's a beast now.

Like I said, he started off the year looking like a real solid player. He was standing out. Easy to see. But he was drafted to get after the QB and basically be cam 2.0. I've seen the potential but he has also dropped off. I don't buy it for a second the massive drop this week was simply the packages. I think it was to get his gears going like the start of the season.

Let's see what he does this week. I think you're going to see more. If you go back and look you can see the praise I was leaping on him. It wasn't just his pressure on the QB it was also his ability against the run and pursuit.

There's been a drop off and I'm not going to ignore that just like I dont ignore when he is playing really good

But our dline is a strength and our defense is coached well with good talent.

Rankins looked good during his first season. There was a huge drop off where he started looking like Ellis. Last year he turned it back up. Shame he got I hired again. Not being funny but I forgot he was on the team still because I've literally not heard his name once.

Nothing wrong with giving time, but also nothing wrong about an honest assessment when a player looks phenomenal and nothing wrong with stating when they're not. I am honest about the good and bad.

It is sort of like when we signed Ginn and people said he had a problem with catching at times. People were criticized for that, but people in the know were well aware. Now that same person who criticized others is also offering the same sentiment ��

AsylumGuido · 11-22-2019, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

A recent quote from sports analyst John Sigler :

"He’ll have down games where he’s simply outplayed by more experienced opponents. But the mere fact that leading the team (and maybe the rest of the NFL) in quarterback pressures is possible is noteworthy. Once he starts finishing his rushes better and gets opportunities to make a play rather than facilitate for someone else, the sacks will come."

Got to give him time boss. Just like Rankins ... & he's a beast now.

This is a part of the game that many simply do not understand. Each player has a specific job in every defensive alignment. I heard the same complaints last year about Rankins not getting the sacks, while those "in the know" were praising his play and how he was drawing attention giving Jordan and others more opportunities. Same goes for Klein in the LB squad. They just do their jobs as defined.

K Major · 11-21-2019, 07:20 AM

Agree with AG's post ... and just to piggy back here.

For a 2nd year player, I don't find it troubling that TRex could be seen as a more "polished" pass rusher than MD. This year, Trey looks like a more formidable player against a heavy pass "attack", while Davenport is more versatile against a more balanced attack/run heavy.

Both are likely to improve. IMO we are in great shape with DL depth with allows a solid, stout rotation throughout the game & allows Coach Dennis to scheme to each players strengths.

When the playoffs start, this is an excellent situation to be in. See Philly D line rotation that won it all a couple of seasons ago.

spkb25 · 11-21-2019, 08:29 AM

Davenport showed real promise early this season. It appeared he was trending into the next Cam. There is a reason he saw reduced snaps and don't believe it was simply the packages we were running.

11-20-2019, 02:43 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs The New Orleans Saints handled their Week 11 game with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with ease, but did so largely without second-year pass rusher Marcus Davenport. The starting defensive end played just 23 snaps against Tampa Bay, with backup Trey Hendrickson appearing on 34 plays. That’s obviously not the kind of disparity Saints fans would hope to see out of that duo. Read the rest: https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...venport-stats/

11-20-2019, 02:45 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs In short talent utilization. Crusader and SmashMouth like this.

11-20-2019, 08:20 PM	#3
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player?

11-21-2019, 06:34 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by foreverfan What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player? No, a different player. Sounds like Dennis Allen wants Davenport in the same package as Rankin in running situations. This makes perfect sense with Allen's complex defense. Especially with the younger players. They can all master their role with veterans like Cam in there in all the situations. K Major likes this.

11-21-2019, 11:55 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by foreverfan What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player? The stranger part is Davenport was drafted to get after the QB. Trey also wasn't a top 15 pick. Its not supposed to take a top 15 picks 3 years in the league. I hope he shows what he showed early on this year. He started off looking like he was going to be a monster. I remember posting multiple times on the board how much pressure and how solid he was playing. There's been a fall off and it is noticeable. I hope maybe this past week was a kick in the balls for him and lights that fire.
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11-22-2019, 07:42 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by spkb25 The stranger part is Davenport was drafted to get after the QB. Trey also wasn't a top 15 pick. Its not supposed to take a top 15 picks 3 years in the league. I hope he shows what he showed early on this year. He started off looking like he was going to be a monster. I remember posting multiple times on the board how much pressure and how solid he was playing. There's been a fall off and it is noticeable. I hope maybe this past week was a kick in the balls for him and lights that fire. A recent quote from sports analyst John Sigler : "He’ll have down games where he’s simply outplayed by more experienced opponents. But the mere fact that leading the team (and maybe the rest of the NFL) in quarterback pressures is possible is noteworthy. Once he starts finishing his rushes better and gets opportunities to make a play rather than facilitate for someone else, the sacks will come." Got to give him time boss. Just like Rankins ... & he's a beast now. Rell&Gold likes this.

11-22-2019, 07:54 AM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by K Major A recent quote from sports analyst John Sigler : "He’ll have down games where he’s simply outplayed by more experienced opponents. But the mere fact that leading the team (and maybe the rest of the NFL) in quarterback pressures is possible is noteworthy. Once he starts finishing his rushes better and gets opportunities to make a play rather than facilitate for someone else, the sacks will come." Got to give him time boss. Just like Rankins ... & he's a beast now. Like I said, he started off the year looking like a real solid player. He was standing out. Easy to see. But he was drafted to get after the QB and basically be cam 2.0. I've seen the potential but he has also dropped off. I don't buy it for a second the massive drop this week was simply the packages. I think it was to get his gears going like the start of the season. Let's see what he does this week. I think you're going to see more. If you go back and look you can see the praise I was leaping on him. It wasn't just his pressure on the QB it was also his ability against the run and pursuit. There's been a drop off and I'm not going to ignore that just like I dont ignore when he is playing really good But our dline is a strength and our defense is coached well with good talent. Rankins looked good during his first season. There was a huge drop off where he started looking like Ellis. Last year he turned it back up. Shame he got I hired again. Not being funny but I forgot he was on the team still because I've literally not heard his name once. Nothing wrong with giving time, but also nothing wrong about an honest assessment when a player looks phenomenal and nothing wrong with stating when they're not. I am honest about the good and bad. It is sort of like when we signed Ginn and people said he had a problem with catching at times. People were criticized for that, but people in the know were well aware. Now that same person who criticized others is also offering the same sentiment �� dizzle88 likes this.
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11-22-2019, 08:02 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by K Major A recent quote from sports analyst John Sigler : "He’ll have down games where he’s simply outplayed by more experienced opponents. But the mere fact that leading the team (and maybe the rest of the NFL) in quarterback pressures is possible is noteworthy. Once he starts finishing his rushes better and gets opportunities to make a play rather than facilitate for someone else, the sacks will come." Got to give him time boss. Just like Rankins ... & he's a beast now. This is a part of the game that many simply do not understand. Each player has a specific job in every defensive alignment. I heard the same complaints last year about Rankins not getting the sacks, while those "in the know" were praising his play and how he was drawing attention giving Jordan and others more opportunities. Same goes for Klein in the LB squad. They just do their jobs as defined. Crusader and K Major like this.

11-21-2019, 07:20 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Agree with AG's post ... and just to piggy back here. For a 2nd year player, I don't find it troubling that TRex could be seen as a more "polished" pass rusher than MD. This year, Trey looks like a more formidable player against a heavy pass "attack", while Davenport is more versatile against a more balanced attack/run heavy. Both are likely to improve. IMO we are in great shape with DL depth with allows a solid, stout rotation throughout the game & allows Coach Dennis to scheme to each players strengths. When the playoffs start, this is an excellent situation to be in. See Philly D line rotation that won it all a couple of seasons ago. 44Champs likes this.

11-21-2019, 08:29 AM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Davenport showed real promise early this season. It appeared he was trending into the next Cam. There is a reason he saw reduced snaps and don't believe it was simply the packages we were running. Utah_Saint likes this.