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saintfan 12-08-2019 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 871373)
Exactly! At some point, you have to get a grip on reality and stop asking human beings to play a violent sport at 100 MPH, while simultaneously being able to be SUPER careful not to make ANY kind of contact to the head, regardless of how fast he play is unfolding, and how the offensive player is twisting in the air.

This is unwatchable.

Its not an accident. The league very clearly wants the west coast and that market in the mix. This was just another example of the league controlling the outcome. We were robbed. Again. Roger has ruined the NFL.

ChrisXVI 12-08-2019 03:57 PM

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Edit: Posted in wrong thread.

lee909 12-08-2019 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 871380)
I knew immediately that they scored too fast - Smith should've gone down to milk the clock.

Of course you take the TD when it's available, but there have been similar occasions where the receiver/runner went down on purpose.

Yeah afterwards I though shame he wasn't knocked down on the spin or sideline. Take another 30 seconds off the clock. Having 3 time outs and nearly minute on the clock needing a FG isn't that tough

lee909 12-08-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 871390)
1) Vonn Bell absolutely must be re-signed this offseason. 12 tackles and a sack today. Week-in and week-out he’s our most consistent player in the secondary.

2) Latavius Murray 9.9 YPC. Kamara 1.9 YPC. Also, Kamara only has 1 rushing TD and 1 receiving TD this season.

As said for a while as much as I love having Kamara on Offense I don't believe in paying RBs 15ml plus a season. Especially not when they are not a 220lb bell cow

lee909 12-08-2019 04:02 PM

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I have no doubt the Seahawks will beat these in a few weeks. Mostly because they'll do what we didn't. Control the tempo and shove everything up the gut and wear them out. Then if they stack the box they actually have 2 or three threats at receiver in Metcalf and Lockett plus role plsyers

Hate to say it but the Seahawks are the team to beat imho.

hitta 12-08-2019 04:02 PM

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It's a shame that Dean Blandino, former head of officiating, doesn't understand the holding rule on passes in punt formation. It doesn't work like other passes. On other plays, you have holding before the pass and pass interference afterwards. On punts though, that PI isn't there, but that doesn't mean you can't hold during the pass. If the pass is thrown out of the punt formation, holding can occur at any time... even when the ball is in the air, which is what happened. Horrible understanding of the rules, and the refs suck.

Rugby Saint II 12-08-2019 04:03 PM

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The refs really nailed us again. The first half I was wondering where the flags were. I found out in the fourth quarter.

Rugby Saint II 12-08-2019 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 871398)
I have no doubt the Seahawks will beat these in a few weeks. Mostly because they'll do what we didn't. Control the tempo and shove everything up the gut and wear them out. Then if they stack the box they actually have 2 or three threats at receiver in Metcalf and Lockett plus role plsyers

Hate to say it but the Seahawks are the team to beat imho.

No. We still are.:bng:

burningmetal 12-08-2019 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 871376)
The defense was poor but glossing over the fact Kamara fumbled inside his own 20, and twice they got the ball at the halfway line and scored 3pts. Not too mention going for two when completely unnecessary and constantly feeding Kamara 13 carries for 25 yards and leaving Murray twiddling his thumbs on the sideline 7 for 69.

Both sides of the ball blew this up at different times.


Kamara isn't running hard at all, doesnt look anything like he did in the first games without Drew. Business decisions and I'm fully expecting a no show until a new contract happens in the off season

You're exactly right, Lee. I see certain comments of people admonishing the mere thought that anyone might have of giving the offense some blame, but the play caller on that side of the ball (Payton) was ignoring Murray's success in favor of feeding the "star" in vain.

I was telling my dad a few days ago that the Saints needed to run right up the middle against them, because they are an undersized front who relies on speed and quickness to get to the QB. And right away, Murray had some good runs up the middle, but Payton couldn't stand prosperity, and he had to pitch it WIDE, working right into the 71ers strength of getting off the edge. That killed several drives.

So while the defense obviously deserves the most blame, along with more awful officiating, Payton's ego of trying to trick people for no reason got in the way of what was an otherwise great day for the offense.

saintfan 12-08-2019 04:07 PM

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This game, like so many before it, was rigged by the league. I don't understand how people don't see it.

lee909 12-08-2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 871404)
No. We still are.:bng:

I can go with that

Hard to beat the opponents and refs though.


Apart from calls so much sloppy play. Might get away with onside kicks and penalties against Bucs etc but not at top level. The teams always seems to find a way to keep games in the balance.

lee909 12-08-2019 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 871406)
This game, like so many before it, was rigged by the league. I don't understand how people don't see it.

To a point I agree
Though I think it's league wide issue, they definitely want certain markets in. But I'm sick of blaming officials and letting sloppy play off the hook.

cmike 12-08-2019 04:10 PM

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The finger can be pointed at multiple people. The refs did us a lot of favors today.

saintfan 12-08-2019 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 871409)
To a point I agree
Though I think it's league wide issue, they definitely want certain markets in. But I'm sick of blaming officials and letting sloppy play off the hook.

There was nothing sloppy about Johnson's tackle. That was the league giving the Niners a first down, and had it not been on him it would have been on someone else for some other bull**** call. It's not even debatable. The league does all it can to controll the outcome. Nothing could be more obvious.

burningmetal 12-08-2019 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 871399)
It's a shame that Dean Blandino, former head of officiating, doesn't understand the holding rule on passes in punt formation. It doesn't work like other passes. On other plays, you have holding before the pass and pass interference afterwards. On punts though, that PI isn't there, but that doesn't mean you can't hold during the pass. If the pass is thrown out of the punt formation, holding can occur at any time... even when the ball is in the air, which is what happened. Horrible understanding of the rules, and the refs suck.

That's what I was saying earlier, and I was doing some serious yelling at the TV while Dean was putting his foot in his mouth. I haven't been that mad during a game in years. I was saying "do you hear yourself, Dean!"

How can he sit there and admit, on one hand, that you can't hold on a punt, but then say "oh, but he can't be called for interference"... Dean! It's STILL holding! What about that? What a total clown show. And neither announcers had either the common sense, or the guts to point that out to him.

lee909 12-08-2019 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 871411)
There was nothing sloppy about Johnson's tackle. That was the league giving the Niners a first down, and had it not been on him it would have been on someone else for some other bull**** call. It's not even debatable. The league does all it can to controll the outcome. Nothing could be more obvious.

I don't disagree
No doubt the Saints are on the rough end, no doubt the league doesn't want home field advantage for the Saints and wants Dallas, 49ers,Rams and the media market going deep. It wasnt sloppy by Johnson, but plenty of plays over the past weeks have been. 3 onside kick recoveries, last play today, drops etc.

The refs suck, But that's a easy get out for plays the team should be converting and taking them out of it

Rugby Saint II 12-08-2019 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 871405)
You're exactly right, Lee. I see certain comments of people admonishing the mere thought that anyone might have of giving the offense some blame, but the play caller on that side of the ball (Payton) was ignoring Murray's success in favor of feeding the "star" in vain.

I was telling my dad a few days ago that the Saints needed to run right up the middle against them, because they are an undersized front who relies on speed and quickness to get to the QB. And right away, Murray had some good runs up the middle, but Payton couldn't stand prosperity, and he had to pitch it WIDE, working right into the 71ers strength of getting off the edge. That killed several drives.

So while the defense obviously deserves the most blame, along with more awful officiating, Payton's ego of trying to trick people for no reason got in the way of what was an otherwise great day for the offense.

Two words....Zach Line!

Murray needs a blocker to really get going.

K Major 12-08-2019 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 871415)
Two words....Zach Line!

Murray needs a blocker to really get going.

Murray avg damn near 10 yards per carry today ...

Rugby Saint II 12-08-2019 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 871409)
To a point I agree
Though I think it's league wide issue, they definitely want certain markets in. But I'm sick of blaming officials and letting sloppy play off the hook.

That's the most accurate statement I've heard all day. Well said good sir.:love:

burningmetal 12-08-2019 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 871415)
Two words....Zach Line!

Murray needs a blocker to really get going.

Why does he need Zach Line? Nobody stooped him today, other than Sean Payton. That's really all there is to it. Payton needs to take the blinders off, and actually ask himself what Kamara is doing to help this offense right now.

I'll leave it to others to speculate on injury, or business decisions by Kamara, but one thing is clear and is a fact. Kamara is not producing, and Murray is. Ride the hot hand.

Rugby Saint II 12-08-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 871421)
Why does he need Zach Line? Nobody stooped him today, other than Sean Payton. That's really all there is to it. Payton needs to take the blinders off, and actually ask himself what Kamara is doing to help this offense right now.

I'll leave it to others to speculate on injury, or business decisions by Kamara, but one thing is clear and is a fact. Kamara is not producing, and Murray is. Ride the hot hand.

Good points. If you've played football before then you must know what it's like to play less than 100% where the other teams average players are making plays on you because you can't quite slip their grip. That's Kamara lately. I hear people saying that's he's mailing it in and that a new contract will fix the problem. I say bull ****! The only thing that will fix him is Sean Payton not putting him through the grinder early in the year and giving him knee and ankle injuries. Try to run with either banged up against NFL talent. Much less both! Beer rant over.

Audiotom 12-08-2019 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Garry42 (Post 871364)
Secondary is way too soft. This loss is on them. Saints should have ran away with this game, but defense hurt us!

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THe d line got no pressure for most of the game

JImmy G was working on a 6 second suntan

Need more than Demario helping there

Even though the secondary sucked you can’t expect them to cover for that long

Better bring it in the playoffs

Rell&Gold 12-08-2019 05:16 PM

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Saints put up 46 points on the "best defense"... Offense wasn't the issue....A few bad calls and terrible play by Craig and Eli helped tremendously....Fully Healthy we beat them in the playoffs though

Rell&Gold 12-08-2019 05:19 PM

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I believe that was a PI on E Sanders against M Williams on the 75 yard TD....but why was Von Bell matched against him in man coverage? D A has to play to players strengths more same thing with E Sanders TD pass why is your best PR in coverage on a RB by himself?

Rell&Gold 12-08-2019 05:20 PM

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Terron Armstead played a bad game IMO as well Him and Ramcyzk look BAD on outside runs Terron especially.

lee909 12-08-2019 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 871440)
Terron Armstead played a bad game IMO as well Him and Ramcyzk look BAD on outside runs Terron especially.

He wasn't healthy. Wasn't moving well at all. Thought he played OK considering. Held up against a elite rush.

jeanpierre 12-09-2019 08:58 AM

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jeanpierre 12-09-2019 08:58 AM

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dam1953 12-09-2019 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 871533)

Probably the the best comment in the twitter feed was how is this considered a punt formation when the Saints have a QB on the field end not a punter. It's effectively a deep shotgun. Had they lined up in this formation on 3rd down a PI call should have been made. So, it would appear that a PI call would have been appropriate on 4th down as well.

Beastmode 12-09-2019 09:36 AM

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Regardless, it's holding the whole way down the field. Holding has been called for much less on returns I know that much.

The Patriots got screwed more though. A potential fumbe / TD blown dead then an obvious TD was taken away. Pats should have won that game. Their offense sucks but their D, that is how they make money.

st thomas 12-09-2019 10:22 AM

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We got this fellows trust ST. It will all come together.


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