Had 24 hours to reflect on the game

Rueben Mayes · 12-09-2019, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I would say we need to re-evaluate Marcus Williams spot on this team though.

Theres only so many times he can mess up an assignment and yesterday was probably his worst game. From the very first snap he was either out of position, missing tackles or falling over in pass coverage.

was it Marcus Williams who made the gaffe in the Minnesota Miracle? or was that PJ? sorry both plays leave me dumbfounded and just able to recall that it was a db with the last name Williams involved in both/each

dizzle88 · 12-09-2019, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes

was it Marcus Williams who made the gaffe in the Minnesota Miracle? or was that PJ? sorry both plays leave me dumbfounded and just able to recall that it was a db with the last name Williams involved in both/each

Unfortunately that was Marcus as well.

I had hope that even with the terrible ending to the Minnesota game, that there was a positive side that he'd use it as motivation to learn to tackle properly.

Yesterdays game proves otherwise, he just lunges towards players and whiffs or goes straight the facemask.

Not to mention he turned to look for the ball on the long TD and just fell over.

cmike · 12-09-2019, 07:25 PM

Marcus been whiffing on tackles all season. Against Houston he had a chance to make a stop as a player was driving for the pylon. He missed everything. TD

K Major · 12-09-2019, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't think the game plan was bad (you don't game plan to go for 2 in that spot), I think the decisions that you mentioned were dumb. As soon as we missed the 2-point conversion you knew it was going to come back to haunt us. The fake punt was a blunder from the get go... you had Taysom line up as the punter, everyone was looking for the fake.

A few bad decisions is all it takes in this league, but even with that I still put this loss on the D. You can't give up 48 points and expect to win.

In a heavyweight fight, the "little things" is all it takes to get KO'd.

As far as the "fake" punt ... why would you give your struggling defense a short field to defend? Punt and play the percentages. I could see if we were talking 4th and half a yard. We needed almost 20 yards against a athletic, well coached, disciplined Niners defense.

Serious problems on the back end. Eli, PJ, Williams must play better.

K Major · 12-09-2019, 07:55 PM

Marcus Williams has been relatively decent this season, however yesterday he played poorly and accounted for 3 substantial plays that resulted in points for the Niners but none bigger than the Kittle sequence, subsequent face mask that put them in prime FG position to win it.

In the playoffs, that will cost you a game and the season.

nola_swammi · 12-09-2019, 07:55 PM

My reflections after game is that we have to give the ball more to Murray so the defense will not lock solely on AK. It’s time to replace P.J.

yungbreesus · 12-10-2019, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Make sure we hire only ****ing perfection while we are at it.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Time to fire Payton and get a new younger QB while we're at it.

my points aren't to say that there are huge issues with the offense or coaching. brees played like a god and sean for the most part called a great game. but in a game this close, if you're going to take chances that can have big consequences, like going for 2 in the first quarter or faking a punt on 4th and 18th, it shouldn't look like flukey plays. both of those looked like flukie plays, and they both cost us points. i like sean's aggressiveness, but i feel like he can overthink it sometimes. also to be fair, the fake punt play could have been all on rizzi and not sean. i don't know if thats a scenario where rizzi goes to sean or where sean decides we can't give the ball back.

AsylumGuido · 12-10-2019, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by yungbreesus

my points aren't to say that there are huge issues with the offense or coaching. brees played like a god and sean for the most part called a great game. but in a game this close, if you're going to take chances that can have big consequences, like going for 2 in the first quarter or faking a punt on 4th and 18th, it shouldn't look like flukey plays. both of those looked like flukie plays, and they both cost us points. i like sean's aggressiveness, but i feel like he can overthink it sometimes. also to be fair, the fake punt play could have been all on rizzi and not sean. i don't know if thats a scenario where rizzi goes to sean or where sean decides we can't give the ball back.

Kirwan and Miller addressed fakes on special teams and who makes the calls on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains recently. They said the special teams coordinator usually sees something they like and bring it to the attention of the head coach. The head coach then decides. The few times when the head coach is making the call the whole way it is usually coming out of a half.

yungbreesus · 12-10-2019, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Kirwan and Miller addressed fakes on special teams and who makes the calls on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains recently. They said the special teams coordinator usually sees something they like and bring it to the attention of the head coach. The head coach then decides. The few times when the head coach is making the call the whole way it is usually coming out of a half.

that makes sense. its also a little alarming. rizzi has had some pretty bad moments so far. i put that one right up there with the onside kick issues last week.

K Major · 12-10-2019, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Kirwan and Miller addressed fakes on special teams and who makes the calls on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains recently. They said the special teams coordinator usually sees something they like and bring it to the attention of the head coach. The head coach then decides. The few times when the head coach is making the call the whole way it is usually coming out of a half.

IMO the NFL committee needs to re evaluate this "no holding on punt" rule in the off season. That is a bunch of BS that you can simply mug a guy like that.

He literally held Trey all the way down field

. If I'm running that play, put Can't Guard Mike out there on an island to throw that MF 5 yards onto the side line.

12-09-2019, 06:45 PM	#11
Rueben Mayes 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 134	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Originally Posted by dizzle88 I would say we need to re-evaluate Marcus Williams spot on this team though. Theres only so many times he can mess up an assignment and yesterday was probably his worst game. From the very first snap he was either out of position, missing tackles or falling over in pass coverage. was it Marcus Williams who made the gaffe in the Minnesota Miracle? or was that PJ? sorry both plays leave me dumbfounded and just able to recall that it was a db with the last name Williams involved in both/each
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12-09-2019, 06:51 PM	#12
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes was it Marcus Williams who made the gaffe in the Minnesota Miracle? or was that PJ? sorry both plays leave me dumbfounded and just able to recall that it was a db with the last name Williams involved in both/each Unfortunately that was Marcus as well. I had hope that even with the terrible ending to the Minnesota game, that there was a positive side that he'd use it as motivation to learn to tackle properly. Yesterdays game proves otherwise, he just lunges towards players and whiffs or goes straight the facemask. Not to mention he turned to look for the ball on the long TD and just fell over. Rueben Mayes likes this.

12-09-2019, 07:25 PM	#13
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,427	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Marcus been whiffing on tackles all season. Against Houston he had a chance to make a stop as a player was driving for the pylon. He missed everything. TD dizzle88 and Rueben Mayes like this.

12-09-2019, 07:41 PM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Originally Posted by blackangold I don't think the game plan was bad (you don't game plan to go for 2 in that spot), I think the decisions that you mentioned were dumb. As soon as we missed the 2-point conversion you knew it was going to come back to haunt us. The fake punt was a blunder from the get go... you had Taysom line up as the punter, everyone was looking for the fake. A few bad decisions is all it takes in this league, but even with that I still put this loss on the D. You can't give up 48 points and expect to win. In a heavyweight fight, the "little things" is all it takes to get KO'd. As far as the "fake" punt ... why would you give your struggling defense a short field to defend? Punt and play the percentages. I could see if we were talking 4th and half a yard. We needed almost 20 yards against a athletic, well coached, disciplined Niners defense. Serious problems on the back end. Eli, PJ, Williams must play better. Rueben Mayes likes this.

12-09-2019, 07:55 PM	#15
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Marcus Williams has been relatively decent this season, however yesterday he played poorly and accounted for 3 substantial plays that resulted in points for the Niners but none bigger than the Kittle sequence, subsequent face mask that put them in prime FG position to win it. In the playoffs, that will cost you a game and the season. jnormand, dizzle88 and Rueben Mayes like this.

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game My reflections after game is that we have to give the ball more to Murray so the defense will not lock solely on AK. It’s time to replace P.J.

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yungbreesus Registered Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 56	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Originally Posted by TheOak Make sure we hire only **ing perfection while we are at it. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido** Time to fire Payton and get a new younger QB while we're at it. my points aren't to say that there are huge issues with the offense or coaching. brees played like a god and sean for the most part called a great game. but in a game this close, if you're going to take chances that can have big consequences, like going for 2 in the first quarter or faking a punt on 4th and 18th, it shouldn't look like flukey plays. both of those looked like flukie plays, and they both cost us points. i like sean's aggressiveness, but i feel like he can overthink it sometimes. also to be fair, the fake punt play could have been all on rizzi and not sean. i don't know if thats a scenario where rizzi goes to sean or where sean decides we can't give the ball back.
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12-10-2019, 08:10 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Originally Posted by yungbreesus my points aren't to say that there are huge issues with the offense or coaching. brees played like a god and sean for the most part called a great game. but in a game this close, if you're going to take chances that can have big consequences, like going for 2 in the first quarter or faking a punt on 4th and 18th, it shouldn't look like flukey plays. both of those looked like flukie plays, and they both cost us points. i like sean's aggressiveness, but i feel like he can overthink it sometimes. also to be fair, the fake punt play could have been all on rizzi and not sean. i don't know if thats a scenario where rizzi goes to sean or where sean decides we can't give the ball back. Kirwan and Miller addressed fakes on special teams and who makes the calls on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains recently. They said the special teams coordinator usually sees something they like and bring it to the attention of the head coach. The head coach then decides. The few times when the head coach is making the call the whole way it is usually coming out of a half.

12-10-2019, 08:54 AM	#19
yungbreesus Registered Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 56	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Kirwan and Miller addressed fakes on special teams and who makes the calls on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains recently. They said the special teams coordinator usually sees something they like and bring it to the attention of the head coach. The head coach then decides. The few times when the head coach is making the call the whole way it is usually coming out of a half. that makes sense. its also a little alarming. rizzi has had some pretty bad moments so far. i put that one right up there with the onside kick issues last week. K Major likes this.
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12-10-2019, 09:13 AM	#20
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Had 24 hours to reflect on the game Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Kirwan and Miller addressed fakes on special teams and who makes the calls on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains recently. They said the special teams coordinator usually sees something they like and bring it to the attention of the head coach. The head coach then decides. The few times when the head coach is making the call the whole way it is usually coming out of a half. IMO the NFL committee needs to re evaluate this "no holding on punt" rule in the off season. That is a bunch of BS that you can simply mug a guy like that. He literally held Trey all the way down field . If I'm running that play, put Can't Guard Mike out there on an island to throw that MF 5 yards onto the side line. dizzle88 and Rueben Mayes like this.

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