This may sound odd..

AsylumGuido · 12-18-2019, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

https://www.phlsportsnation.com/2019...tz-connection/

Especially pay attention to the portion about contested throws.

Interesting article. It supports that much more why Thomas gets the attention from both Brees and Bridgewater. It explains that Jeffery's strength is with the contested ball. Yet, not every receiver is of the same mold as Thomas and Jeffrey. They are open on those contested plays due to their aggressiveness. None of our other receivers have that same trait. Is that Brees' fault? Is trying to force the ball into a contested situation that a receiver is not at an advantage help? That would do nothing but result in more incompletions or interceptions. Finding the open receiver is still the best option.

Simply targeting the other receivers when they are not as open as Thomas is counterproductive and totally illogical. Once again, the only solution is for the individual receivers to improve their ability to get open or their ability to win consistently on the contested play. None of them have shown they can do the second based upon their drops.

vpheughan · 12-19-2019, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGup

Really!? 5? Is that the best you can do!? Surely you mean 43!...5 indeed!

KNEAUX, It should have been 53 as in NFL Roster !!

K Major · 12-19-2019, 07:23 AM

Have you noticed that MT hasn't been bracketed by double coverage as of late? ... why? Jared Cook has become a threat in the Saints offense last few weeks.

If a safety wants to take his eyes away from our TE ... substantial gain or 6.

jeanpierre · 12-19-2019, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

but I think this team would benefit from playing a game against a bad team with Michael Thomas out with an injury or something. If next season, there was a game where MT had a minor injury and Brees was forced to focus on other receivers, I think it'd help the team a lot as far as developing receivers. MT being so good actually hurts the other receivers, because they don't get enough targets to find their comfort zone.

So you're thinking we're seeing Target Fixation? Commonly known to #WhoDatNation as Jimmy Graham Syndrome...

We'd have to go into the numbers and look at the targets, but it's not like Drew hasn't fallen into that trap before...

But it doesn't account for the disparity of drops between @CantGuardMike and other kid, Ted Ginn, among others...

SaintGup · 12-19-2019, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

KNEAUX, It should have been 52 as in NFL Roster!!

52 is not odd...53 is, which is the roster size.

Rueben Mayes · 12-19-2019, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

No way I want to ever see CGM not in a game. He’s the only WR that consistently gets open and he’s just a straight up beast on the field. 11/11 is just sick

who is CGM? please forgive my ignorance

K Major · 12-19-2019, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes

who is CGM? please forgive my ignorance

Can't
Guard
Mike

All World Michael Thomas

Rueben Mayes · 12-19-2019, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Can't
Guard
Mike

All World Michael Thomas

of course!!!! d'oh my bad for not catching the acronym!

Thank you, K!!! much obliged!

foreverfan · 12-19-2019, 06:30 PM

TheOak · 12-20-2019, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

but I think this team would benefit from playing a game against a bad team with Michael Thomas out with an injury or something. If next season, there was a game where MT had a minor injury and Brees was forced to focus on other receivers, I think it'd help the team a lot as far as developing receivers. MT being so good actually hurts the other receivers, because they don't get enough targets to find their comfort zone.

You are confusing causation. Drew is and has always been a QB known for spreading the ball and hitting everything with hands. MT is the only receiver consistently open and catches everything thrown at him.

Our ****ty receivers hurt them selves by not getting separation and catching balls that hit them in the hands.

One last note... When you have an idea like this, maybe we could just bench MT instead of getting him hurt? Seems less risky.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 16,310	Re: This may sound odd.. Originally Posted by hitta https://www.phlsportsnation.com/2019...tz-connection/ Especially pay attention to the portion about contested throws. Interesting article. It supports that much more why Thomas gets the attention from both Brees and Bridgewater. It explains that Jeffery's strength is with the contested ball. Yet, not every receiver is of the same mold as Thomas and Jeffrey. They are open on those contested plays due to their aggressiveness. None of our other receivers have that same trait. Is that Brees' fault? Is trying to force the ball into a contested situation that a receiver is not at an advantage help? That would do nothing but result in more incompletions or interceptions. Finding the open receiver is still the best option. Simply targeting the other receivers when they are not as open as Thomas is counterproductive and totally illogical. Once again, the only solution is for the individual receivers to improve their ability to get open or their ability to win consistently on the contested play. None of them have shown they can do the second based upon their drops.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 20,214 Blog Entries: 3	Re: This may sound odd.. Have you noticed that MT hasn't been bracketed by double coverage as of late? ... why? Jared Cook has become a threat in the Saints offense last few weeks. If a safety wants to take his eyes away from our TE ... substantial gain or 6. Rueben Mayes likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,172 Blog Entries: 39	Re: This may sound odd.. Originally Posted by hitta but I think this team would benefit from playing a game against a bad team with Michael Thomas out with an injury or something. If next season, there was a game where MT had a minor injury and Brees was forced to focus on other receivers, I think it'd help the team a lot as far as developing receivers. MT being so good actually hurts the other receivers, because they don't get enough targets to find their comfort zone. So you're thinking we're seeing Target Fixation? Commonly known to #WhoDatNation as Jimmy Graham Syndrome... We'd have to go into the numbers and look at the targets, but it's not like Drew hasn't fallen into that trap before... But it doesn't account for the disparity of drops between @CantGuardMike and other kid, Ted Ginn, among others... K Major likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,634	Re: This may sound odd.. Originally Posted by hitta but I think this team would benefit from playing a game against a bad team with Michael Thomas out with an injury or something. If next season, there was a game where MT had a minor injury and Brees was forced to focus on other receivers, I think it'd help the team a lot as far as developing receivers. MT being so good actually hurts the other receivers, because they don't get enough targets to find their comfort zone. You are confusing causation. Drew is and has always been a QB known for spreading the ball and hitting everything with hands. MT is the only receiver consistently open and catches everything thrown at him. Our ****ty receivers hurt them selves by not getting separation and catching balls that hit them in the hands. One last note... When you have an idea like this, maybe we could just bench MT instead of getting him hurt? Seems less risky.

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