Payton's Play Calling

SmashMouth · 01-06-2020, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Credit Zimmer for staying committed to the run game. 40 attempts.

Saints ran 17 times all game. Recipe for an L. 5 carries for LM against his former team. Do you think he wouldn't have been motivated to run hard? You'd rather run gadget plays & laterals instead of feeding your 6'3 235 lb RB? 3rd and short .. u run a lateral ?

Coach seemed a bit unconcerned in that post game presser. He may want to look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by dam1953

Agree about coach looking a bit unconcerned. It may be that he understands that this fell squarely on him. My only thought about your run comments was that there weren't many holes to run through. For several games this year our run O looked like Mark Ingram's early years. It's hard to run with you are getting hit 2 yards in the backfield. Minnesota's D was setting the edge, daring us to run inside. With the level of our guard play, this likely wasn't a viable option. I do believe that better play action may have slowed the pass rush some.

Payton better figure it out quick, because opposing D's will look to this and the first ATL game for recipes of shutting down the Saints.

Until Peat was yanked due to his injury, the OL play sucked.

We need more fresh talented young beef up front.

dam1953 · 01-06-2020, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Until Peat was yanked due to his injury, the OL play sucked.

We need more fresh talented young beef up front.

Brees is as good or as bad as the O line. He's a short, non-mobile, 40+ year old QB. He needs a great O line to give him time and, most important, provide throwing lanes. He didn't have either against the Vikings.

blackangold · 01-06-2020, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by dam1953

Brees is as good or as bad as the O line. He's a short, non-mobile, 40+ year old QB. He needs a great O line to give him time and, most important, provide throwing lanes. He didn't have either against the Vikings.

He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw...

Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew.

I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close.

dam1953 · 01-06-2020, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw...

Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew.

I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close.

I'm not absolving Drew for yesterday. He was a major reason for the loss. I'm only pointing out that if Drew is going continue as our QB, we need to understand that there are O line issues that need to be addressed if we want to win. Actually, this needs to be addressed with or without Drew.

dizzle88 · 01-06-2020, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw...

Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew.

I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close.

I'm eager to see what we can do without Payton. It was proved earlier in the season that regardless of QB, we can win if we run the ball and play defense.

Payton just refuses to commit to the run now. Gets way too pass happy and Brees either checks down or throws into double coverage, nothing in between.

spkb25 · 01-06-2020, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'm eager to see what we can do without Payton. It was proved earlier in the season that regardless of QB, we can win if we run the ball and play defense.

Payton just refuses to commit to the run now. Gets way too pass happy and Brees either checks down or throws into double coverage, nothing in between.

Without SP probably not winning 37 or 38 games over 3 years. Better pick a good replacement or back to 8-8 Haslett we go...if we're lucky.

spkb25 · 01-06-2020, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'm eager to see what we can do without Payton. It was proved earlier in the season that regardless of QB, we can win if we run the ball and play defense.

Payton just refuses to commit to the run now. Gets way too pass happy and Brees either checks down or throws into double coverage, nothing in between.

I was for replacing SP when we went 7-9 3 years in a row, less now. That said, yesterday wasn't good enough. No emotion until late in the third. Oline got blown up. The absence of a number 2 rec. Back on display. I understand he thought we could best their secondary and that actually makes a lot of sense, but that only works for substantial gains if your oline can hold up. They couldnt

spkb25 · 01-06-2020, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw...

Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew.

I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close.

And you consistently and almost instinctively blame Brees each time there is a loss. Being sacked 3 times is a lot and the worst part is that has nothing to do with how many times he was flushed from the pocket without even a second or two. You've been on this train for years bro. Everyone on the board knows it

blackangold · 01-06-2020, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

And you consistently and almost instinctively blame Brees each time there is a loss. Being sacked 3 times is a lot and the worst part is that has nothing to do with how many times he was flushed from the pocket without even a second or two. You've been on this train for years bro. Everyone on the board knows it

Most definitely, I’ve been hoping for another QB for some time now. I think drew has gone down hill significantly and has proven there is no more deep ball left to be thrown. Some folks are finally coming to that conclusion as well. With all that said, there are many other reasons why we lost that game along with Drew, I focus on Drew because for years he gets a pass from everyone and that’s coming to an end.

st thomas · 01-06-2020, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Most definitely, I’ve been hoping for another QB for some time now. I think drew has gone down hill significantly and has proven there is no more deep ball left to be thrown. Some folks are finally coming to that conclusion as well. With all that said, there are many other reasons why we lost that game along with Drew, I focus on Drew because for years he gets a pass from everyone and that’s coming to an end.

We got whipped from the QB to the water boy it’s done ; regroup reload revenge

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01-06-2020, 08:41 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by K Major Credit Zimmer for staying committed to the run game. 40 attempts. Saints ran 17 times all game. Recipe for an L. 5 carries for LM against his former team. Do you think he wouldn't have been motivated to run hard? You'd rather run gadget plays & laterals instead of feeding your 6'3 235 lb RB? 3rd and short .. u run a lateral ? Coach seemed a bit unconcerned in that post game presser. He may want to look in the mirror. Originally Posted by dam1953 Agree about coach looking a bit unconcerned. It may be that he understands that this fell squarely on him. My only thought about your run comments was that there weren't many holes to run through. For several games this year our run O looked like Mark Ingram's early years. It's hard to run with you are getting hit 2 yards in the backfield. Minnesota's D was setting the edge, daring us to run inside. With the level of our guard play, this likely wasn't a viable option. I do believe that better play action may have slowed the pass rush some. Payton better figure it out quick, because opposing D's will look to this and the first ATL game for recipes of shutting down the Saints. Until Peat was yanked due to his injury, the OL play sucked. We need more fresh talented young beef up front. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and dam1953 like this.

01-06-2020, 11:25 AM	#2
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by SmashMouth Until Peat was yanked due to his injury, the OL play sucked. We need more fresh talented young beef up front. Brees is as good or as bad as the O line. He's a short, non-mobile, 40+ year old QB. He needs a great O line to give him time and, most important, provide throwing lanes. He didn't have either against the Vikings. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-06-2020, 02:18 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by dam1953 Brees is as good or as bad as the O line. He's a short, non-mobile, 40+ year old QB. He needs a great O line to give him time and, most important, provide throwing lanes. He didn't have either against the Vikings. He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw... Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew. I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close. darksoul35 likes this.
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01-06-2020, 02:51 PM	#4
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by blackangold He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw... Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew. I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close. I'm not absolving Drew for yesterday. He was a major reason for the loss. I'm only pointing out that if Drew is going continue as our QB, we need to understand that there are O line issues that need to be addressed if we want to win. Actually, this needs to be addressed with or without Drew. Rugby Saint II, darksoul35 and K Major like this.

01-06-2020, 03:10 PM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by blackangold He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw... Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew. I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close. I'm eager to see what we can do without Payton. It was proved earlier in the season that regardless of QB, we can win if we run the ball and play defense. Payton just refuses to commit to the run now. Gets way too pass happy and Brees either checks down or throws into double coverage, nothing in between.

01-06-2020, 05:23 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'm eager to see what we can do without Payton. It was proved earlier in the season that regardless of QB, we can win if we run the ball and play defense. Payton just refuses to commit to the run now. Gets way too pass happy and Brees either checks down or throws into double coverage, nothing in between. Without SP probably not winning 37 or 38 games over 3 years. Better pick a good replacement or back to 8-8 Haslett we go...if we're lucky. darksoul35 likes this.

01-06-2020, 05:30 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'm eager to see what we can do without Payton. It was proved earlier in the season that regardless of QB, we can win if we run the ball and play defense. Payton just refuses to commit to the run now. Gets way too pass happy and Brees either checks down or throws into double coverage, nothing in between. I was for replacing SP when we went 7-9 3 years in a row, less now. That said, yesterday wasn't good enough. No emotion until late in the third. Oline got blown up. The absence of a number 2 rec. Back on display. I understand he thought we could best their secondary and that actually makes a lot of sense, but that only works for substantial gains if your oline can hold up. They couldnt dam1953 likes this.

01-06-2020, 05:20 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by blackangold He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw... Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew. I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close. And you consistently and almost instinctively blame Brees each time there is a loss. Being sacked 3 times is a lot and the worst part is that has nothing to do with how many times he was flushed from the pocket without even a second or two. You've been on this train for years bro. Everyone on the board knows it

01-06-2020, 09:38 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by spkb25 And you consistently and almost instinctively blame Brees each time there is a loss. Being sacked 3 times is a lot and the worst part is that has nothing to do with how many times he was flushed from the pocket without even a second or two. You've been on this train for years bro. Everyone on the board knows it Most definitely, I’ve been hoping for another QB for some time now. I think drew has gone down hill significantly and has proven there is no more deep ball left to be thrown. Some folks are finally coming to that conclusion as well. With all that said, there are many other reasons why we lost that game along with Drew, I focus on Drew because for years he gets a pass from everyone and that’s coming to an end.

01-06-2020, 10:09 PM	#10
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by blackangold Most definitely, I’ve been hoping for another QB for some time now. I think drew has gone down hill significantly and has proven there is no more deep ball left to be thrown. Some folks are finally coming to that conclusion as well. With all that said, there are many other reasons why we lost that game along with Drew, I focus on Drew because for years he gets a pass from everyone and that’s coming to an end. We got whipped from the QB to the water boy it’s done ; regroup reload revenge Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk