Payton's Play Calling

44Champs · 01-05-2020, 04:45 PM

His play calling has become so vanilla. We used to have a lot of pre-snap motions, which created some confusion and allowed Brees to predict coverages. Granted, we don't have the weapons like we used to, but all the more reason to do whatever we can to keep the defense guessing.

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Halo · 01-05-2020, 04:48 PM

I didn't recognize the offense out there today, for at least 3 and a half quarters. I don't know what SP is doing, but it sure is getting old watching us bumble during the playoffs.

ChrisXVI · 01-05-2020, 04:56 PM

If you go back and watch clips from the “glory days” of the Saints offense we had four competent WR’s (Colston, Henderson, Meachem and Moore) to go with two pass catching RB’s and a TE.

Our current offense is horrendous personnel-wise compared to that.

WillMacKenzie · 01-05-2020, 05:00 PM

Don’t forget, you can’t just lose a guy like Max Unger and it not affect your interior line. ESPECIALLY someone with so much big game experience.

But I think really, in the Saints glory days, they had a better interior o-line. Which gives Brees the pocket to turn any WR into a star. Well, unless they’re complete trash and can’t catch anything whatsoever

Halo · 01-05-2020, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Don’t forget, you can’t just lose a guy like Max Unger and it not affect your interior line. ESPECIALLY someone with so much big game experience.

But I think really, in the Saints glory days, they had a better interior o-line. Which gives Brees the pocket to turn any WR into a star. Well, unless they’re complete trash and can’t catch anything whatsoever

The season started with drops.... the season ended with drops. It's the playoffs, you must catch the ball. Trequan Smith dropped one in his paws. Ginn redeemed himself... but this begs the question - where in the F was Jared Cook all game? He's been lights out the past 4 games but for some reason he sits on the sidelines and shows up late in the 4th quarter, hustles and gets wide open, hauls in some key catches, and then that's it. WE NEEDED HIM THE ENTIRE GAME!

dizzle88 · 01-05-2020, 05:04 PM

Payton refused to address the lack of a #2 or even a #3 receiver in the draft or free agency.

Deonte Harris should be included in the offense more, but Tre, Ginn and Kirkwood are not the answer.

Payton has to be prepared to pay up with a high pick for this to work, hes got stuck thinking every UDFA is the next great thing and they arent

dam1953 · 01-05-2020, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

The season started with drops.... the season ended with drops. It's the playoffs, you must catch the ball. Trequan Smith dropped one in his paws. Ginn redeemed himself... but this begs the question - where in the F was Jared Cook all game? He's been lights out the past 4 games but for some reason he sits on the sidelines and shows up late in the 4th quarter, hustles and gets wide open, hauls in some key catches, and then that's it. WE NEEDED HIM THE ENTIRE GAME!

The Brees and Brady both had similar issues, not enough weapons to use.

WillMacKenzie · 01-05-2020, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

The season started with drops.... the season ended with drops. It's the playoffs, you must catch the ball. Trequan Smith dropped one in his paws. Ginn redeemed himself... but this begs the question - where in the F was Jared Cook all game? He's been lights out the past 4 games but for some reason he sits on the sidelines and shows up late in the 4th quarter, hustles and gets wide open, hauls in some key catches, and then that's it. WE NEEDED HIM THE ENTIRE GAME!

It’s true.

No becoming a star if you can’t catch a cold.

Forget speed, height, vertical, etc....CATCH the ball

blackangold · 01-05-2020, 05:14 PM

Brees handicaps Payton’s playbook now. He has no deep ball and when it goes deep it’s basically a pick waiting to happen. I don’t put it on Payton, thought play calling was ok. Clock management was poor at the end of regulation. You could blame Payton for not having the team pumped up or drinking to kool-aid, but didn’t have issue with play calling.

blackangold · 01-05-2020, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

The season started with drops.... the season ended with drops. It's the playoffs, you must catch the ball. Trequan Smith dropped one in his paws. Ginn redeemed himself... but this begs the question - where in the F was Jared Cook all game? He's been lights out the past 4 games but for some reason he sits on the sidelines and shows up late in the 4th quarter, hustles and gets wide open, hauls in some key catches, and then that's it. WE NEEDED HIM THE ENTIRE GAME!

I don’t quite get this.. everything thrown to Cook was caught and he fought for yards... there were some bad balls tossed his way and still came down with them. Can’t catch balls that aren’t thrown.

01-05-2020, 04:45 PM	#1
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Payton's Play Calling His play calling has become so vanilla. We used to have a lot of pre-snap motions, which created some confusion and allowed Brees to predict coverages. Granted, we don't have the weapons like we used to, but all the more reason to do whatever we can to keep the defense guessing. XLIV CHAMPS spkb25, Rugby Saint II, dam1953 and 1 others like this.
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01-05-2020, 05:00 PM	#4
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Payton's Play Calling Don’t forget, you can’t just lose a guy like Max Unger and it not affect your interior line. ESPECIALLY someone with so much big game experience. But I think really, in the Saints glory days, they had a better interior o-line. Which gives Brees the pocket to turn any WR into a star. Well, unless they’re complete trash and can’t catch anything whatsoever

01-05-2020, 05:04 PM	#5
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,561 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Don’t forget, you can’t just lose a guy like Max Unger and it not affect your interior line. ESPECIALLY someone with so much big game experience. But I think really, in the Saints glory days, they had a better interior o-line. Which gives Brees the pocket to turn any WR into a star. Well, unless they’re complete trash and can’t catch anything whatsoever The season started with drops.... the season ended with drops. It's the playoffs, you must catch the ball. Trequan Smith dropped one in his paws. Ginn redeemed himself... but this begs the question - where in the F was Jared Cook all game? He's been lights out the past 4 games but for some reason he sits on the sidelines and shows up late in the 4th quarter, hustles and gets wide open, hauls in some key catches, and then that's it. WE NEEDED HIM THE ENTIRE GAME! spkb25, WillMacKenzie and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-05-2020, 05:04 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,113	Re: Payton's Play Calling Payton refused to address the lack of a #2 or even a #3 receiver in the draft or free agency. Deonte Harris should be included in the offense more, but Tre, Ginn and Kirkwood are not the answer. Payton has to be prepared to pay up with a high pick for this to work, hes got stuck thinking every UDFA is the next great thing and they arent

01-05-2020, 05:07 PM	#7
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by Halo The season started with drops.... the season ended with drops. It's the playoffs, you must catch the ball. Trequan Smith dropped one in his paws. Ginn redeemed himself... but this begs the question - where in the F was Jared Cook all game? He's been lights out the past 4 games but for some reason he sits on the sidelines and shows up late in the 4th quarter, hustles and gets wide open, hauls in some key catches, and then that's it. WE NEEDED HIM THE ENTIRE GAME! The Brees and Brady both had similar issues, not enough weapons to use.

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01-05-2020, 04:48 PM	#2
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,561 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Payton's Play Calling I didn't recognize the offense out there today, for at least 3 and a half quarters. I don't know what SP is doing, but it sure is getting old watching us bumble during the playoffs. spkb25 and skymike like this.

01-05-2020, 04:56 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Payton's Play Calling If you go back and watch clips from the “glory days” of the Saints offense we had four competent WR’s (Colston, Henderson, Meachem and Moore) to go with two pass catching RB’s and a TE. Our current offense is horrendous personnel-wise compared to that. spkb25, saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

01-05-2020, 05:14 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Payton's Play Calling Brees handicaps Payton’s playbook now. He has no deep ball and when it goes deep it’s basically a pick waiting to happen. I don’t put it on Payton, thought play calling was ok. Clock management was poor at the end of regulation. You could blame Payton for not having the team pumped up or drinking to kool-aid, but didn’t have issue with play calling. Rsanders24 likes this.

01-05-2020, 05:16 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Payton's Play Calling Originally Posted by Halo The season started with drops.... the season ended with drops. It's the playoffs, you must catch the ball. Trequan Smith dropped one in his paws. Ginn redeemed himself... but this begs the question - where in the F was Jared Cook all game? He's been lights out the past 4 games but for some reason he sits on the sidelines and shows up late in the 4th quarter, hustles and gets wide open, hauls in some key catches, and then that's it. WE NEEDED HIM THE ENTIRE GAME! I don’t quite get this.. everything thrown to Cook was caught and he fought for yards... there were some bad balls tossed his way and still came down with them. Can’t catch balls that aren’t thrown. RefsRobbedUs likes this.