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His play calling has become so vanilla. We used to have a lot of pre-snap motions, which created some confusion and allowed Brees to predict coverages. Granted, we don't have the weapons like we used to, but all the more reason to do whatever we can to keep the defense guessing.

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I didn't recognize the offense out there today, for at least 3 and a half quarters. I don't know what SP is doing, but it sure is getting old watching us bumble during the playoffs.

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If you go back and watch clips from the “glory days” of the Saints offense we had four competent WR’s (Colston, Henderson, Meachem and Moore) to go with two pass catching RB’s and a TE.

Our current offense is horrendous personnel-wise compared to that.

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Don’t forget, you can’t just lose a guy like Max Unger and it not affect your interior line. ESPECIALLY someone with so much big game experience.

But I think really, in the Saints glory days, they had a better interior o-line. Which gives Brees the pocket to turn any WR into a star. Well, unless they’re complete trash and can’t catch anything whatsoever

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The season started with drops.... the season ended with drops. It's the playoffs, you must catch the ball. Trequan Smith dropped one in his paws. Ginn redeemed himself... but this begs the question - where in the F was Jared Cook all game? He's been lights out the past 4 games but for some reason he sits on the sidelines and shows up late in the 4th quarter, hustles and gets wide open, hauls in some key catches, and then that's it. WE NEEDED HIM THE ENTIRE GAME!

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Payton refused to address the lack of a #2 or even a #3 receiver in the draft or free agency.

Deonte Harris should be included in the offense more, but Tre, Ginn and Kirkwood are not the answer.

Payton has to be prepared to pay up with a high pick for this to work, hes got stuck thinking every UDFA is the next great thing and they arent

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The Brees and Brady both had similar issues, not enough weapons to use.

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It’s true.

No becoming a star if you can’t catch a cold.

Forget speed, height, vertical, etc....CATCH the ball

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Brees handicaps Payton’s playbook now. He has no deep ball and when it goes deep it’s basically a pick waiting to happen. I don’t put it on Payton, thought play calling was ok. Clock management was poor at the end of regulation. You could blame Payton for not having the team pumped up or drinking to kool-aid, but didn’t have issue with play calling.

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I don’t quite get this.. everything thrown to Cook was caught and he fought for yards... there were some bad balls tossed his way and still came down with them. Can’t catch balls that aren’t thrown.

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The offense is now pass to Michael Thomas

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We definately need a WR

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It's unfortunate coach isn't committed to running the football. Specifically Latavius Murray.

In no particular order Sean needs to get a legit #2 WR, CB, G & LINEBACKER this off season. AJ Klein is just ok. We need above average backers when the playoffs start. A sideline to sideline assassin.

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SP has the right weapon circulating Taysom around Brees, the Defense goes crazy when Hill is in the game. Problem is he didn't do enough of it on key plays

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I didnt understand the desire for long developing plays when the oline was getting their lunch ate. It wasn't until our final few drives where we started to have quick passes that we moved the ball.

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The sweep play to Kamara on third and short had me absolutely livid. The two badly timed TO that we knew we were going to need in the fourth cost us that game.

It's sad that I've come to expect this sort of ending to our season every year. To further that sentiment that we need a 2nd receiver, it's been a problem for multiple seasons and it still hasn't been addressed. I don't know if it's a ego thing, but the fact that it's a known problem and we've done nothing to fix it is inexplicable. Someone needs to take accountability.

I also feel that it's time for Sean to relinquish is play calling duties and manage the team as a whole. It may damage his ego, but it needs to be done.

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Um we kept trying for long developing plays...and outside of the one bonehead throw by brees, he didnt have an ounce of time. The problem isnt drew hampering the playbook, it is the oline. When Peat is getting dusted play in and play out...yeah not gonna be much time. Our oline was completely dominated yesterday just like they were in the Rams game and the Falcons game. I am not certain but bet if we go and look at the stats they will be fairly simular. Until SP decided to go with the quick passing game again we couldn't move the ball.

BTW, this is why people kept calling TB checkdown Teddy. It wasn't just him, it was the oline.

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Credit Zimmer for staying committed to the run game. 40 attempts.

Saints ran 17 times all game. Recipe for an L. 5 carries for LM against his former team. Do you think he wouldn't have been motivated to run hard? You'd rather run gadget plays & laterals instead of feeding your 6'3 235 lb RB? 3rd and short .. u run a lateral ?

Coach seemed a bit unconcerned in that post game presser. He may want to look in the mirror.

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Agree about coach looking a bit unconcerned. It may be that he understands that this fell squarely on him. My only thought about your run comments was that there weren't many holes to run through. For several games this year our run O looked like Mark Ingram's early years. It's hard to run with you are getting hit 2 yards in the backfield. Minnesota's D was setting the edge, daring us to run inside. With the level of our guard play, this likely wasn't a viable option. I do believe that better play action may have slowed the pass rush some.

Payton better figure it out quick, because opposing D's will look to this and the first ATL game for recipes of shutting down the Saints.

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Until Peat was yanked due to his injury, the OL play sucked.

We need more fresh talented young beef up front.

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We need to have the media go interview the WholeFoods Meat Guy SP talked to. I think his insightful opinion would be very entertaining.

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Not sure why he was so focused on running Kamara between the tackles. It's like this year he wanted Kamara to be himself and Ingram.

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Exactly. Plus how many deep balls have you seen Drew complete this year? I thought I read a stat that said we had the least amount of big air yard plays.

Ginn is still living on his name as a speedster and Brees does not have the arm. That's why Taysom was paired with Harris on that bomb.

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Brees is as good or as bad as the O line. He's a short, non-mobile, 40+ year old QB. He needs a great O line to give him time and, most important, provide throwing lanes. He didn't have either against the Vikings.

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We definitely need a coach that will use the likes of Jared Cook and Latavius Murray.

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He was sacked 3 times... we are acting as if that’s the end of the world. Once again he was the least sacked QB in the regular season. He seemed to have plenty of time on that pick he threw...

Not saying our O line played well, but dang, some of you will blame anyone and anything before looking at Drew.

I am thankful for Drew, but I am a saints fan first, and right now I am eager to see what Payton can do with a different QB. Last time he had a different QB we went 5-0 and the games weren’t close.

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I'm not absolving Drew for yesterday. He was a major reason for the loss. I'm only pointing out that if Drew is going continue as our QB, we need to understand that there are O line issues that need to be addressed if we want to win. Actually, this needs to be addressed with or without Drew.

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Ginn is never open anymore.

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I'm eager to see what we can do without Payton. It was proved earlier in the season that regardless of QB, we can win if we run the ball and play defense.

Payton just refuses to commit to the run now. Gets way too pass happy and Brees either checks down or throws into double coverage, nothing in between.

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Yep. Ted Ginn is done.

Saints cannot ignore the WR situation any longer. It cost us a chance to advance in the tournament.

Zimmer's back ground is all defense and he knew Sean P tendencies. He did what most were afraid of ... taking away our biggest threat, limiting Michael Thomas & daring other WR's to beat you.

This was one of the worst WR rosters NOT NAMED MT I've seen under Sean Payton in a long time.

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And on the rare occasion he happens to be open, and Drew throws him the ball, there is a better than 50/50 chance he is going to drop it.

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And you consistently and almost instinctively blame Brees each time there is a loss. Being sacked 3 times is a lot and the worst part is that has nothing to do with how many times he was flushed from the pocket without even a second or two. You've been on this train for years bro. Everyone on the board knows it

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Without SP probably not winning 37 or 38 games over 3 years. Better pick a good replacement or back to 8-8 Haslett we go...if we're lucky.

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I was for replacing SP when we went 7-9 3 years in a row, less now. That said, yesterday wasn't good enough. No emotion until late in the third. Oline got blown up. The absence of a number 2 rec. Back on display. I understand he thought we could best their secondary and that actually makes a lot of sense, but that only works for substantial gains if your oline can hold up. They couldnt

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To be fair though our defense was playing totally different in that 5-0 stretch. Brees didn't have much time but there is no excuse for him being loose with the ball in that situation.

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The possession where they forced the ball to Kamara three times and then punted still aggravates me plus I’m still don’t understand calling that deep pass for Brees that lead to his INT