LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys

Rugby Saint II · 01-07-2020, 01:27 PM

Mike Nolan turned this defense around for Dennis Allen who has never ever developed a single NFL linebacker. Anzalone we drafted but I think everyone else were free agents coming to the Saints and letting Nolan make the most of them.

I've said it to family and friends but I haven't wanted to disrespect Allen....but I'm not a fan. He doesn't know how to game plan to beat his opponent early on. He is however pretty good at making half time adjustments. That's not enough production to suit me. Our position coaches made this team great and they are being poached now. With a different staff we may not see a strong young defense again for quite sometime.

K Major · 01-07-2020, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

We need one more guy like Davis who can run sideline to sideline, be stout in the run lanes, cover in the middle of the field, and get to the QB when needed.

+1. I'd personally love to see a 3 down backer with Demario. I wish AJ Klein was faster but it looks like he takes the bus everywhere. Smart player, knows where to be but simply not fast enough.

Kiko, Ellis and Anzalone are injured guys & Craig Rob is a just a back up.

I'd like to see upgrades this off season.

ChrisXVI · 01-07-2020, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Mike Nolan turned this defense around for Dennis Allen who has never ever developed a single NFL linebacker. Anzalone we drafted but I think everyone else were free agents coming to the Saints and letting Nolan make the most of them.

I've said it to family and friends but I haven't wanted to disrespect Allen....but I'm not a fan. He doesn't know how to game plan to beat his opponent early on. He is however pretty good at making half time adjustments. That's not enough production to suit me. Our position coaches made this team great and they are being poached now. With a different staff we may not see a strong young defense again for quite sometime.

This drives me crazy about Dennis Allen... the counter-punch defense. We play vanilla in the first half of a game and then make the necessary adjustments instead of imposing our will from the start. That’s why our defense always stinks for the first few weeks.

blackangold · 01-07-2020, 07:14 PM

As most of you have stated... Allen is bad in the first half, but he is also known for giving up leads or backbreaking plays at the end of a game.

Allen is good in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs and that’s because his game plan is always poor in the 1st, adjustments are good but then by the 4th the other team adjusts.

He hasn’t been too bad, let’s face it, before Allen we were constantly last in the league. We all said for years if we only had a avg defense we could be unstoppable... well for the last 3 years our defense has been solid but we haven’t punched through. I am fine with Allen staying, but we need more talent up front that can stay healthy.

dizzle88 · 01-07-2020, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

As most of you have stated... Allen is bad in the first half, but he is also known for giving up leads or backbreaking plays at the end of a game.

Allen is good in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs and that’s because his game plan is always poor in the 1st, adjustments are good but then by the 4th the other team adjusts.

He hasn’t been too bad, let’s face it, before Allen we were constantly last in the league. We all said for years if we only had a avg defense we could be unstoppable... well for the last 3 years our defense has been solid but we haven’t punched through. I am fine with Allen staying, but we need more talent up front that can stay healthy.

Definitely agree.
I was certainly of the belief that all we needed was a decent D to get us going, but that was when our offense was a quick starting machine which could mask a ton of issues elsewhere.
Now our offense isnt the unstoppable force and tends to get too pass happy we notice every little failure, even when the D is statistically better than in previous years.

As Brees doesnt have the arm to throw the deep ball anymore, teams dont respect it and play underneath coverage - which is why Kamara is so crowded whenever he catches the ball.

halloween 65 · 01-07-2020, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

We don't even have good enough linebackers for a 4-3, outside of Davis, who was robbed of a probowl. No way we have the speed or athleticism required for 3-4 linebackers. And we don't have enough picks or cap space to sign enough in one off season.

Don't forget a big NT to man the middle of a 3-4. We don't have 1 of those either.

CHA_CHING · 01-10-2020, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Mike Nolan turned this defense around for Dennis Allen who has never ever developed a single NFL linebacker. Anzalone we drafted but I think everyone else were free agents coming to the Saints and letting Nolan make the most of them.

I've said it to family and friends but I haven't wanted to disrespect Allen....but I'm not a fan. He doesn't know how to game plan to beat his opponent early on. He is however pretty good at making half time adjustments. That's not enough production to suit me. Our position coaches made this team great and they are being poached now. With a different staff we may not see a strong young defense again for quite sometime.

Truth right here.

I can't believe people still defend Allen. It's what I mean when I talk about the non-call being a shiny object waved in front of the eyes of this fan base. It distracts them from the giant red flags waving everywhere. One of those red flags is Allen, and has been obvious since the Minnesota Miracle.

Our LB core and especially our pass rush came to form under Nolan. This is a MAJOR loss for us and it's going to sting.

I wanted Allen gone after 2016 when our defense was historically bad, breaking some record for most passing touchdowns given up. We had a chance to get Wade Phillips and I would've much rather preferred him as defensive coordinator. Pair Phillips with Nolan, and this defense would've been much better in the last 3 years.

On the flip side, I can't believe I am actually saying this; Dallas will be a legit threat in the future if they let McCarthy and Nolan build up on that team. I never bought into the talk that McCarthy was a bad coach coasting off Aaron Rodgers in GB. Rodgers is the problem over there and their front office worships him and has bent their knee to please him. If McCarthy and Nolan are allowed to do their jobs in Dallas, I expect them to make the NFCCG by 2021.

CHA_CHING · 01-10-2020, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Definitely agree.
I was certainly of the belief that all we needed was a decent D to get us going, but that was when our offense was a quick starting machine which could mask a ton of issues elsewhere.
Now our offense isnt the unstoppable force and tends to get too pass happy we notice every little failure, even when the D is statistically better than in previous years.

As Brees doesnt have the arm to throw the deep ball anymore, teams dont respect it and play underneath coverage - which is why Kamara is so crowded whenever he catches the ball.

This is true and this past year, I noticed Brees at many times, was just checking it down to Kamara and not even bothering going through reads down field. You saw this all through the playoff game.

jeanpierre · 01-10-2020, 04:04 AM

So much happened so fast in the wake of the unceremoniously dump from the playoffs, this is probably the biggest loss...

I'd actually hoped Nolan or Campbell would be out next HC if we didn't go outside the organizaiton...

The Mike Nolan loss is gonna really hurt, and despite the criticism here, out LB play, including those not named DeMario, had been among the league's best...

ChrisXVI · 01-10-2020, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So much happened so fast in the wake of the unceremoniously dump from the playoffs, this is probably the biggest loss...

I'd actually hoped Nolan or Campbell would be out next HC if we didn't go outside the organizaiton...

The Mike Nolan loss is gonna really hurt, and despite the criticism here, out LB play, including those not named DeMario, had been among the league's best...

A clip of our LB’s before Mike Nolan:

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys Mike Nolan turned this defense around for Dennis Allen who has never ever developed a single NFL linebacker. Anzalone we drafted but I think everyone else were free agents coming to the Saints and letting Nolan make the most of them. I've said it to family and friends but I haven't wanted to disrespect Allen....but I'm not a fan. He doesn't know how to game plan to beat his opponent early on. He is however pretty good at making half time adjustments. That's not enough production to suit me. Our position coaches made this team great and they are being poached now. With a different staff we may not see a strong young defense again for quite sometime. ChrisXVI and CHA_CHING like this.
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01-07-2020, 01:40 PM	#32
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys Originally Posted by turbo_dog We need one more guy like Davis who can run sideline to sideline, be stout in the run lanes, cover in the middle of the field, and get to the QB when needed. +1. I'd personally love to see a 3 down backer with Demario. I wish AJ Klein was faster but it looks like he takes the bus everywhere. Smart player, knows where to be but simply not fast enough. Kiko, Ellis and Anzalone are injured guys & Craig Rob is a just a back up. I'd like to see upgrades this off season.

01-07-2020, 06:40 PM	#33
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Mike Nolan turned this defense around for Dennis Allen who has never ever developed a single NFL linebacker. Anzalone we drafted but I think everyone else were free agents coming to the Saints and letting Nolan make the most of them. I've said it to family and friends but I haven't wanted to disrespect Allen....but I'm not a fan. He doesn't know how to game plan to beat his opponent early on. He is however pretty good at making half time adjustments. That's not enough production to suit me. Our position coaches made this team great and they are being poached now. With a different staff we may not see a strong young defense again for quite sometime. This drives me crazy about Dennis Allen... the counter-punch defense. We play vanilla in the first half of a game and then make the necessary adjustments instead of imposing our will from the start. That’s why our defense always stinks for the first few weeks.

01-07-2020, 07:14 PM	#34
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys As most of you have stated... Allen is bad in the first half, but he is also known for giving up leads or backbreaking plays at the end of a game. Allen is good in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs and that’s because his game plan is always poor in the 1st, adjustments are good but then by the 4th the other team adjusts. He hasn’t been too bad, let’s face it, before Allen we were constantly last in the league. We all said for years if we only had a avg defense we could be unstoppable... well for the last 3 years our defense has been solid but we haven’t punched through. I am fine with Allen staying, but we need more talent up front that can stay healthy. Crusader, Rugby Saint II, dizzle88 and 2 others like this.
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01-07-2020, 07:24 PM	#35
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys Originally Posted by blackangold As most of you have stated... Allen is bad in the first half, but he is also known for giving up leads or backbreaking plays at the end of a game. Allen is good in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs and that’s because his game plan is always poor in the 1st, adjustments are good but then by the 4th the other team adjusts. He hasn’t been too bad, let’s face it, before Allen we were constantly last in the league. We all said for years if we only had a avg defense we could be unstoppable... well for the last 3 years our defense has been solid but we haven’t punched through. I am fine with Allen staying, but we need more talent up front that can stay healthy. Definitely agree. I was certainly of the belief that all we needed was a decent D to get us going, but that was when our offense was a quick starting machine which could mask a ton of issues elsewhere. Now our offense isnt the unstoppable force and tends to get too pass happy we notice every little failure, even when the D is statistically better than in previous years. As Brees doesnt have the arm to throw the deep ball anymore, teams dont respect it and play underneath coverage - which is why Kamara is so crowded whenever he catches the ball. CHA_CHING likes this.
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01-07-2020, 07:27 PM	#36
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys Originally Posted by turbo_dog We don't even have good enough linebackers for a 4-3, outside of Davis, who was robbed of a probowl. No way we have the speed or athleticism required for 3-4 linebackers. And we don't have enough picks or cap space to sign enough in one off season. Don't forget a big NT to man the middle of a 3-4. We don't have 1 of those either. MarchingOn likes this.

01-10-2020, 12:19 AM	#37
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Mike Nolan turned this defense around for Dennis Allen who has never ever developed a single NFL linebacker. Anzalone we drafted but I think everyone else were free agents coming to the Saints and letting Nolan make the most of them. I've said it to family and friends but I haven't wanted to disrespect Allen....but I'm not a fan. He doesn't know how to game plan to beat his opponent early on. He is however pretty good at making half time adjustments. That's not enough production to suit me. Our position coaches made this team great and they are being poached now. With a different staff we may not see a strong young defense again for quite sometime. Truth right here. I can't believe people still defend Allen. It's what I mean when I talk about the non-call being a shiny object waved in front of the eyes of this fan base. It distracts them from the giant red flags waving everywhere. One of those red flags is Allen, and has been obvious since the Minnesota Miracle. Our LB core and especially our pass rush came to form under Nolan. This is a MAJOR loss for us and it's going to sting. I wanted Allen gone after 2016 when our defense was historically bad, breaking some record for most passing touchdowns given up. We had a chance to get Wade Phillips and I would've much rather preferred him as defensive coordinator. Pair Phillips with Nolan, and this defense would've been much better in the last 3 years. On the flip side, I can't believe I am actually saying this; Dallas will be a legit threat in the future if they let McCarthy and Nolan build up on that team. I never bought into the talk that McCarthy was a bad coach coasting off Aaron Rodgers in GB. Rodgers is the problem over there and their front office worships him and has bent their knee to please him. If McCarthy and Nolan are allowed to do their jobs in Dallas, I expect them to make the NFCCG by 2021. K Major likes this.

01-10-2020, 12:26 AM	#38
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys Originally Posted by dizzle88 Definitely agree. I was certainly of the belief that all we needed was a decent D to get us going, but that was when our offense was a quick starting machine which could mask a ton of issues elsewhere. Now our offense isnt the unstoppable force and tends to get too pass happy we notice every little failure, even when the D is statistically better than in previous years. As Brees doesnt have the arm to throw the deep ball anymore, teams dont respect it and play underneath coverage - which is why Kamara is so crowded whenever he catches the ball. This is true and this past year, I noticed Brees at many times, was just checking it down to Kamara and not even bothering going through reads down field. You saw this all through the playoff game.

01-10-2020, 04:04 AM	#39
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys So much happened so fast in the wake of the unceremoniously dump from the playoffs, this is probably the biggest loss... I'd actually hoped Nolan or Campbell would be out next HC if we didn't go outside the organizaiton... The Mike Nolan loss is gonna really hurt, and despite the criticism here, out LB play, including those not named DeMario, had been among the league's best... ChrisXVI and CHA_CHING like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: LB Coach Mike Nolan Hired by Cowboys Originally Posted by jeanpierre So much happened so fast in the wake of the unceremoniously dump from the playoffs, this is probably the biggest loss... I'd actually hoped Nolan or Campbell would be out next HC if we didn't go outside the organizaiton... The Mike Nolan loss is gonna really hurt, and despite the criticism here, out LB play, including those not named DeMario, had been among the league's best... A clip of our LB’s before Mike Nolan: jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II, Pete and 1 others like this.

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