2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

dizzle88 · 02-19-2020, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Question ...

In your opinion, do you think that overall the Saints O line is a fraud/fake? The reason I ask is because if you look at the interior line play in 2017 - 2019, they seem to pull a "disappearing act" during the playoffs. I mean, it appears to be a trend here?

Minny miracle of '17, VIKES front four was extremely physical and had their way with us.

The Dallas debacle/non playoff game out here in Deathstar (we were injured up front but still) 2018.

2018 Rams ... copied what Dallas did up front & we never matched the intensity.

2019 Vikes ... they really beat us up early & we didn't fight back. I didn't see many roll outs from coach, leaving the TE's / RB to chip. Not a lot of consistent blocking & it's easy to see why Brees didn't have the confidence that the protection would last. Why throw it all over the field in a low scoring battle?

L-Train was having a nice game against his old team, yet he mostly rode the bench in a do or die playoff wildcard game.

As a whole, we are getting flat out manned in the trenches. If this continues, it won't matter who is under center for 2020 and beyond.

It's time to change up the OL with a shift in culture/nastiness. The current one is not getting the job done.

My view on it wasnt well received earlier in the season, especially on twitter - but my personal opinion was both guard spots need to be upgraded and also see what we can get from Mr Glass at the left tackle position.

Peats whole demeanor just irks me, for a guy that we drafted years ago - he still looks overweight and unconditioned. Like you mentioned, not enough dawgs on the Line and for where Peat was drafted, hes been flat out stealing from the team.

It's the overall culture I think, Payton gets out coached in big time games because he's stubborn. Like you said, Murray had something to prove and was gaining decent yardage, yet he ran the ball 4 times in the playoff game.

Payton proved when Brees went down that staying committed to the Running Game took a ton of pressure off the QB, yet he just put all that pressure back on Brees when he needed help from other areas.

Payton would rather throw the ball 50 times and make it look flashy, rather than take the 4-5 yard gains that keep the defense honest.

We are not a physical team on offense, havent been since 09 - we are finesse and thats why we struggle in the playoffs. Every D line is meaner, they can get pressure with 4 guys rushing and Payton cant adapt.

Can you remember how dominant the run game was in 2011? Mark Ingram, PT23, Chris Ivory and Sproles.

We have talented backs, they just arent used properly. Kamara's play concept are now too obvious, another thing that Payton wont adapt and now Kamara gets tackled for a loss on every swing pass.

K Major · 02-19-2020, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We have talented backs, they just arent used properly. Kamara's play concept are now too obvious, another thing that Payton wont adapt and now Kamara gets tackled for a loss on every swing pass.

We really do.

Maybe coach was trying to prove there was nothing wrong with Kamara but there was something wrong with Kamara. Sprinkle in that Taysom went nuts in the run game but coach didn't stay committed to him.

And for whatever reason, our defense gets injured a lot down the stretch & lost guys at CB.

Pat Mahommes would have lit us up.

Snake bit.

AsylumGuido · 02-19-2020, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

We really do.

Maybe coach was trying to prove there was nothing wrong with Kamara but there was something wrong with Kamara. Sprinkle in that Taysom went nuts in the run game but coach didn't stay committed to him.

And for whatever reason, our defense gets injured a lot down the stretch & lost guys at CB.

Pat Mahommes would have lit us up.

Snake bit.

That is the best description. Winning in the playoffs involves a great deal of luck. It has not been on our side recently, but at least we are putting ourselves in position to give it a chance. Almost every other franchise would love to be in our position. We are getting VERY spoiled as fans.

02-19-2020, 03:20 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,535	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major Question ... In your opinion, do you think that overall the Saints O line is a fraud/fake? The reason I ask is because if you look at the interior line play in 2017 - 2019, they seem to pull a "disappearing act" during the playoffs. I mean, it appears to be a trend here? Minny miracle of '17, VIKES front four was extremely physical and had their way with us. The Dallas debacle/non playoff game out here in Deathstar (we were injured up front but still) 2018. 2018 Rams ... copied what Dallas did up front & we never matched the intensity. 2019 Vikes ... they really beat us up early & we didn't fight back. I didn't see many roll outs from coach, leaving the TE's / RB to chip. Not a lot of consistent blocking & it's easy to see why Brees didn't have the confidence that the protection would last. Why throw it all over the field in a low scoring battle? L-Train was having a nice game against his old team, yet he mostly rode the bench in a do or die playoff wildcard game. As a whole, we are getting flat out manned in the trenches. If this continues, it won't matter who is under center for 2020 and beyond. It's time to change up the OL with a shift in culture/nastiness. The current one is not getting the job done. My view on it wasnt well received earlier in the season, especially on twitter - but my personal opinion was both guard spots need to be upgraded and also see what we can get from Mr Glass at the left tackle position. Peats whole demeanor just irks me, for a guy that we drafted years ago - he still looks overweight and unconditioned. Like you mentioned, not enough dawgs on the Line and for where Peat was drafted, hes been flat out stealing from the team. It's the overall culture I think, Payton gets out coached in big time games because he's stubborn. Like you said, Murray had something to prove and was gaining decent yardage, yet he ran the ball 4 times in the playoff game. Payton proved when Brees went down that staying committed to the Running Game took a ton of pressure off the QB, yet he just put all that pressure back on Brees when he needed help from other areas. Payton would rather throw the ball 50 times and make it look flashy, rather than take the 4-5 yard gains that keep the defense honest. We are not a physical team on offense, havent been since 09 - we are finesse and thats why we struggle in the playoffs. Every D line is meaner, they can get pressure with 4 guys rushing and Payton cant adapt. Can you remember how dominant the run game was in 2011? Mark Ingram, PT23, Chris Ivory and Sproles. We have talented backs, they just arent used properly. Kamara's play concept are now too obvious, another thing that Payton wont adapt and now Kamara gets tackled for a loss on every swing pass. K Major likes this.
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02-19-2020, 03:28 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 We have talented backs, they just arent used properly. Kamara's play concept are now too obvious, another thing that Payton wont adapt and now Kamara gets tackled for a loss on every swing pass. We really do. Maybe coach was trying to prove there was nothing wrong with Kamara but there was something wrong with Kamara. Sprinkle in that Taysom went nuts in the run game but coach didn't stay committed to him. And for whatever reason, our defense gets injured a lot down the stretch & lost guys at CB. Pat Mahommes would have lit us up. Snake bit.

02-19-2020, 03:31 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major We really do. Maybe coach was trying to prove there was nothing wrong with Kamara but there was something wrong with Kamara. Sprinkle in that Taysom went nuts in the run game but coach didn't stay committed to him. And for whatever reason, our defense gets injured a lot down the stretch & lost guys at CB. Pat Mahommes would have lit us up. Snake bit. That is the best description. Winning in the playoffs involves a great deal of luck. It has not been on our side recently, but at least we are putting ourselves in position to give it a chance. Almost every other franchise would love to be in our position. We are getting VERY spoiled as fans.