2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

dizzle88 · 02-19-2020, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

After watching the Vikes wildcard game again ...

Upgrade @ GUARD & WR.

We were mentally defeated all second half. Not sure why Andrus wasn't benched after he whiffed on a block that left Brees exposed to danger.

Saints must get more guys with a chip on their shoulder when they play. Minus Thomas, Ramz, The Rookie Chauncey, Demario & a few others... not enough dawgs on the roster.

Especially across the O line. Remember the good ol days of Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks at the Guard spot. Brees was always able to step up as they rarely got pushed back.

WR is a huge need, has been for last 3 years.

K Major · 02-19-2020, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Especially across the O line. Remember the good ol days of Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks at the Guard spot. Brees was always able to step up as they rarely got pushed back.

WR is a huge need, has been for last 3 years.

Question ...

In your opinion, do you think that overall the Saints O line is a fraud/fake? The reason I ask is because if you look at the interior line play in 2017 - 2019, they seem to pull a "disappearing act" during the playoffs. I mean, it appears to be a trend here?

Minny miracle of '17, VIKES front four was extremely physical and had their way with us.

The Dallas debacle/non playoff game out here in Deathstar (we were injured up front but still) 2018.

2018 Rams ... copied what Dallas did up front & we never matched the intensity.

2019 Vikes ... they really beat us up early & we didn't fight back. I didn't see many roll outs from coach, leaving the TE's / RB to chip. Not a lot of consistent blocking & it's easy to see why Brees didn't have the confidence that the protection would last. Why throw it all over the field in a low scoring battle?

L-Train was having a nice game against his old team, yet he mostly rode the bench in a do or die playoff wildcard game.

As a whole, we are getting flat out manned in the trenches. If this continues, it won't matter who is under center for 2020 and beyond.

It's time to change up the OL with a shift in culture/nastiness. The current one is not getting the job done.

dizzle88 · 02-19-2020, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Question ...

In your opinion, do you think that overall the Saints O line is a fraud/fake? The reason I ask is because if you look at the interior line play in 2017 - 2019, they seem to pull a "disappearing act" during the playoffs. I mean, it appears to be a trend here?

Minny miracle of '17, VIKES front four was extremely physical and had their way with us.

The Dallas debacle/non playoff game out here in Deathstar (we were injured up front but still) 2018.

2018 Rams ... copied what Dallas did up front & we never matched the intensity.

2019 Vikes ... they really beat us up early & we didn't fight back. I didn't see many roll outs from coach, leaving the TE's / RB to chip. Not a lot of consistent blocking & it's easy to see why Brees didn't have the confidence that the protection would last. Why throw it all over the field in a low scoring battle?

L-Train was having a nice game against his old team, yet he mostly rode the bench in a do or die playoff wildcard game.

As a whole, we are getting flat out manned in the trenches. If this continues, it won't matter who is under center for 2020 and beyond.

It's time to change up the OL with a shift in culture/nastiness. The current one is not getting the job done.

My view on it wasnt well received earlier in the season, especially on twitter - but my personal opinion was both guard spots need to be upgraded and also see what we can get from Mr Glass at the left tackle position.

Peats whole demeanor just irks me, for a guy that we drafted years ago - he still looks overweight and unconditioned. Like you mentioned, not enough dawgs on the Line and for where Peat was drafted, hes been flat out stealing from the team.

It's the overall culture I think, Payton gets out coached in big time games because he's stubborn. Like you said, Murray had something to prove and was gaining decent yardage, yet he ran the ball 4 times in the playoff game.

Payton proved when Brees went down that staying committed to the Running Game took a ton of pressure off the QB, yet he just put all that pressure back on Brees when he needed help from other areas.

Payton would rather throw the ball 50 times and make it look flashy, rather than take the 4-5 yard gains that keep the defense honest.

We are not a physical team on offense, havent been since 09 - we are finesse and thats why we struggle in the playoffs. Every D line is meaner, they can get pressure with 4 guys rushing and Payton cant adapt.

Can you remember how dominant the run game was in 2011? Mark Ingram, PT23, Chris Ivory and Sproles.

We have talented backs, they just arent used properly. Kamara's play concept are now too obvious, another thing that Payton wont adapt and now Kamara gets tackled for a loss on every swing pass.

K Major · 02-19-2020, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We have talented backs, they just arent used properly. Kamara's play concept are now too obvious, another thing that Payton wont adapt and now Kamara gets tackled for a loss on every swing pass.

We really do.

Maybe coach was trying to prove there was nothing wrong with Kamara but there was something wrong with Kamara. Sprinkle in that Taysom went nuts in the run game but coach didn't stay committed to him.

And for whatever reason, our defense gets injured a lot down the stretch & lost guys at CB.

Pat Mahommes would have lit us up.

Snake bit.

K Major · 02-20-2020, 07:14 AM

NFL free agency begins March 18th. Currently, the Saints sit at $9.3 million available but Mickey Loomis is a wizard, very creative when it comes to finding cap space.

The Black and Gold may target a wide receiver to team with Michael Thomas. At cornerback Eli Apple may or may not be afforded a new deal while Janoris Jenkins could be released to free up $11 million and P.J. Williams may also have a new address for ’20.

Andrus Peat, still just 26 years old, played..

https://crescentcitysports.com/free-...st-the-saints/

st thomas · 02-20-2020, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

NFL free agency begins March 18th. Currently, the Saints sit at $9.3 million available but Mickey Loomis is a wizard, very creative when it comes to finding cap space.

The Black and Gold may target a wide receiver to team with Michael Thomas. At cornerback Eli Apple may or may not be afforded a new deal while Janoris Jenkins could be released to free up $11 million and P.J. Williams may also have a new address for ’20.

Andrus Peat, still just 26 years old, played..

https://crescentcitysports.com/free-...st-the-saints/

Just the players on defense that probably move on or not resign will dismantle the defense enough to go into suck mode fast.
Like the cat says we can’t afford 90% of the players listed. So believe in the draft I say.

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K Major · 02-20-2020, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Like the cat says we can’t afford 90% of the players listed. So believe in the draft I say.

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But we have the Mickster

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st thomas · 02-20-2020, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

But we have the Mickster .

Looks like an old benson car commercial . Yes the mickster can just keep piling it up for later years to deal with it’s a scam I say mate.
I’m gonna say it again the Houston Texans have 54 million in cap space and they went further in the playoffs than us . WTF

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AsylumGuido · 02-20-2020, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Looks like an old benson car commercial . Yes the mickster can just keep piling it up for later years to deal with it’s a scam I say mate.
I’m gonna say it again the Houston Texans have 54 million in cap space and they went further in the playoffs than us . WTF

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The AFC was also far weaker in overall competition. It was easier to advance further.

K Major · 02-20-2020, 07:18 AM

^^^ on the list of FA ..

Keep an eye on Perriman, Thuney & Scherff.

If we made one big "splash" this off season... Cory Littleton - LB.

02-19-2020, 02:36 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,535	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major After watching the Vikes wildcard game again ... Upgrade @ GUARD & WR. We were mentally defeated all second half. Not sure why Andrus wasn't benched after he whiffed on a block that left Brees exposed to danger. Saints must get more guys with a chip on their shoulder when they play. Minus Thomas, Ramz, The Rookie Chauncey, Demario & a few others... not enough dawgs on the roster. Especially across the O line. Remember the good ol days of Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks at the Guard spot. Brees was always able to step up as they rarely got pushed back. WR is a huge need, has been for last 3 years.

02-19-2020, 02:50 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Especially across the O line. Remember the good ol days of Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks at the Guard spot. Brees was always able to step up as they rarely got pushed back. WR is a huge need, has been for last 3 years. Question ... In your opinion, do you think that overall the Saints O line is a fraud/fake? The reason I ask is because if you look at the interior line play in 2017 - 2019, they seem to pull a "disappearing act" during the playoffs. I mean, it appears to be a trend here? Minny miracle of '17, VIKES front four was extremely physical and had their way with us. The Dallas debacle/non playoff game out here in Deathstar (we were injured up front but still) 2018. 2018 Rams ... copied what Dallas did up front & we never matched the intensity. 2019 Vikes ... they really beat us up early & we didn't fight back. I didn't see many roll outs from coach, leaving the TE's / RB to chip. Not a lot of consistent blocking & it's easy to see why Brees didn't have the confidence that the protection would last. Why throw it all over the field in a low scoring battle? L-Train was having a nice game against his old team, yet he mostly rode the bench in a do or die playoff wildcard game. As a whole, we are getting flat out manned in the trenches. If this continues, it won't matter who is under center for 2020 and beyond. It's time to change up the OL with a shift in culture/nastiness. The current one is not getting the job done. dizzle88 likes this.

02-19-2020, 03:20 PM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,535	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major Question ... In your opinion, do you think that overall the Saints O line is a fraud/fake? The reason I ask is because if you look at the interior line play in 2017 - 2019, they seem to pull a "disappearing act" during the playoffs. I mean, it appears to be a trend here? Minny miracle of '17, VIKES front four was extremely physical and had their way with us. The Dallas debacle/non playoff game out here in Deathstar (we were injured up front but still) 2018. 2018 Rams ... copied what Dallas did up front & we never matched the intensity. 2019 Vikes ... they really beat us up early & we didn't fight back. I didn't see many roll outs from coach, leaving the TE's / RB to chip. Not a lot of consistent blocking & it's easy to see why Brees didn't have the confidence that the protection would last. Why throw it all over the field in a low scoring battle? L-Train was having a nice game against his old team, yet he mostly rode the bench in a do or die playoff wildcard game. As a whole, we are getting flat out manned in the trenches. If this continues, it won't matter who is under center for 2020 and beyond. It's time to change up the OL with a shift in culture/nastiness. The current one is not getting the job done. My view on it wasnt well received earlier in the season, especially on twitter - but my personal opinion was both guard spots need to be upgraded and also see what we can get from Mr Glass at the left tackle position. Peats whole demeanor just irks me, for a guy that we drafted years ago - he still looks overweight and unconditioned. Like you mentioned, not enough dawgs on the Line and for where Peat was drafted, hes been flat out stealing from the team. It's the overall culture I think, Payton gets out coached in big time games because he's stubborn. Like you said, Murray had something to prove and was gaining decent yardage, yet he ran the ball 4 times in the playoff game. Payton proved when Brees went down that staying committed to the Running Game took a ton of pressure off the QB, yet he just put all that pressure back on Brees when he needed help from other areas. Payton would rather throw the ball 50 times and make it look flashy, rather than take the 4-5 yard gains that keep the defense honest. We are not a physical team on offense, havent been since 09 - we are finesse and thats why we struggle in the playoffs. Every D line is meaner, they can get pressure with 4 guys rushing and Payton cant adapt. Can you remember how dominant the run game was in 2011? Mark Ingram, PT23, Chris Ivory and Sproles. We have talented backs, they just arent used properly. Kamara's play concept are now too obvious, another thing that Payton wont adapt and now Kamara gets tackled for a loss on every swing pass. K Major likes this.
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02-19-2020, 03:28 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 We have talented backs, they just arent used properly. Kamara's play concept are now too obvious, another thing that Payton wont adapt and now Kamara gets tackled for a loss on every swing pass. We really do. Maybe coach was trying to prove there was nothing wrong with Kamara but there was something wrong with Kamara. Sprinkle in that Taysom went nuts in the run game but coach didn't stay committed to him. And for whatever reason, our defense gets injured a lot down the stretch & lost guys at CB. Pat Mahommes would have lit us up. Snake bit.

02-20-2020, 07:14 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints NFL free agency begins March 18th. Currently, the Saints sit at $9.3 million available but Mickey Loomis is a wizard, very creative when it comes to finding cap space. The Black and Gold may target a wide receiver to team with Michael Thomas. At cornerback Eli Apple may or may not be afforded a new deal while Janoris Jenkins could be released to free up $11 million and P.J. Williams may also have a new address for ’20. Andrus Peat, still just 26 years old, played.. https://crescentcitysports.com/free-...st-the-saints/

02-20-2020, 08:52 AM	#6
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major NFL free agency begins March 18th. Currently, the Saints sit at $9.3 million available but Mickey Loomis is a wizard, very creative when it comes to finding cap space. The Black and Gold may target a wide receiver to team with Michael Thomas. At cornerback Eli Apple may or may not be afforded a new deal while Janoris Jenkins could be released to free up $11 million and P.J. Williams may also have a new address for ’20. Andrus Peat, still just 26 years old, played.. https://crescentcitysports.com/free-...st-the-saints/ Just the players on defense that probably move on or not resign will dismantle the defense enough to go into suck mode fast. Like the cat says we can’t afford 90% of the players listed. So believe in the draft I say. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-20-2020, 09:04 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by st thomas Like the cat says we can’t afford 90% of the players listed. So believe in the draft I say. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk But we have the Mickster . AsylumGuido and st thomas like this.

02-20-2020, 09:11 AM	#8
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major But we have the Mickster . Looks like an old benson car commercial . Yes the mickster can just keep piling it up for later years to deal with it’s a scam I say mate. I’m gonna say it again the Houston Texans have 54 million in cap space and they went further in the playoffs than us . WTF Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-20-2020, 11:21 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by st thomas Looks like an old benson car commercial . Yes the mickster can just keep piling it up for later years to deal with it’s a scam I say mate. I’m gonna say it again the Houston Texans have 54 million in cap space and they went further in the playoffs than us . WTF Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The AFC was also far weaker in overall competition. It was easier to advance further.

02-20-2020, 07:18 AM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints ^^^ on the list of FA .. Keep an eye on Perriman, Thuney & Scherff. If we made one big "splash" this off season... Cory Littleton - LB. jeanpierre likes this.