Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans

RefsRobbedUs · 01-19-2020, 05:53 PM

Mike McKenzie type signing

Crusader · 01-20-2020, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs

Mike McKenzie type signing

But with more left in the tank.

TheOak · 01-20-2020, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

The question becomes what can we afford after we resign Brees.

Are you asking that because we always do or because you know something.

Drew's $25MM/Year is not in the top 10 for QBs. He is behind Stafford and Carr.

Right now we have 12MM in cap space ad no reason to think Drew will want more than the 20-25MM he has been getting for years.

K Major · 01-20-2020, 01:35 PM

If anyone goes back and watches the Vikings playoff game, it's easy to see that Janoris gives us that ball hawking skill we just hadn't see all that much at the CB position & creates turnovers. A legitimate ball hawk who was very good in a short stint for New Orleans.

Giants sucked as a ball club yet Jack Rabbit still had 5 ints.

Finding consistent/solid corners is hard to do. I hope he's extended.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Are you asking that because we always do or because you know something.

Drew's $25MM/Year is not in the top 10 for QBs. He is behind Stafford and Carr.

Right now we have 12MM in cap space ad no reason to think Drew will want more than the 20-25MM he has been getting for years.

We will actually have more cap space available if we do re-sign Brees as it will undoubtedly include a restructure of the $21.3 million he is currently counting against the 2020 cap from the voidable portion of his last contract.

TheOak · 01-20-2020, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We will actually have more cap space available if we do re-sign Brees as it will undoubtedly include a restructure of the $21.3 million he is currently counting against the 2020 cap from the voidable portion of his last contract.

Oh I get that also Guido. Loomis has proven repeatedly that there is no such thing as a finite number yet we knee jerkingly always assume we know what a new year and contract will bring.

I know everyone else likes Overthecap but I prefer Spotrac with the restructure/cut/trade features to model cap space.

There is so much that can be done with our roster to make cap room.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/ro...s-saints/2020/

saintsfan1976 · 01-20-2020, 07:34 PM

So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact.

I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers.

Vonn Bell. What yall say?

shawnkytonk · 01-20-2020, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact.

I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers.

Vonn Bell. What yall say?

I for one definitely want to see Bell back. I'll take PRob over PJ. Apple will be too expensive I'm afraid.

K Major · 01-20-2020, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact.

I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers.

Vonn Bell. What yall say?

I remember when the Saints let Malcolm Jenkins walk, he was playing really poorly. No one was surprised. Jenkins himself said it was a wake up call he needed to resurrect his career back on track.

Vonn Bell is the complete opposite. Basically he's lightning it up at his position.

IMO letting him walk would be stunning. I hope VB remains in New Orleans.

jeanpierre · 01-21-2020, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact.

I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers.

Vonn Bell. What yall say?

Gardner may have made Vonn Bell expendable, and I'll circle back to that situation...

This is how I see where it starts with the secondary...

Lattimore and Jenkins are under contract, and they'd be a great foundation for the secondary...

Mr. Marcus, despite an infamous play, has graded well and does a solid job of ball hawking, and he's still under his rookie contract...

Now the SS - Bell or Gardner? Despite taking for ever to develop, Bell has rounded into a solid SS, but what will it cost to keep a SS?

Remember, next year we'll likely have to extend Lattimore and he'll want Top 5 CB money, even though he's had lapses the apex predators don't have...

So we could simply roll into next season with what we have in the secondary now under contract:

CB1 Marshon Lattimore
CB2 Janoris Jenkins
SS C.J. Gardner
FS Marcus Williams
NCB Patrick Robinson

Now P. Rob was obviously not healthy, still; but is some of this age as well? P Rob has a 2020 cap number of $6.15mil, cut Pre-Jun, he frees up $3.65mil...

If you release P. Rob, you have 3.65 that you could use in your secondary...

Jenkins had a very small sample size of playing with us, encouraging, but he did have Kirk Cousins QB against him; Jenkins' cap number is $11.25mil, released, we'd get all that back...

Then there's Eli Apple, who'd progressed and played very well until the Chicago game, when he regressed and fans turned on him in turn...

I see three scenarios

Restructure Jenkins, re-sign Vonn Bell, understanding you're not likely keeping Mr. Marcus next season as you'll have to pay Lattimore...

Promote Gardner to SS, either release P. Rob and re-sign P.J. Williams (who can play FS in a pinch) or an equivalent NB to replace the Gardner move...

Release Jenkins, get a cap friendlier No. 2 CB, re-sign Vonn Bell, have money to extend Lattimore, maybe Mr. Marcus as well...

Lot of moving parts here...

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01-20-2020, 02:38 AM	#32
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs Mike McKenzie type signing But with more left in the tank.

01-20-2020, 12:02 PM	#33
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans Originally Posted by foreverfan The question becomes what can we afford after we resign Brees. Are you asking that because we always do or because you know something. Drew's $25MM/Year is not in the top 10 for QBs. He is behind Stafford and Carr. Right now we have 12MM in cap space ad no reason to think Drew will want more than the 20-25MM he has been getting for years.

01-20-2020, 01:35 PM	#34
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans If anyone goes back and watches the Vikings playoff game, it's easy to see that Janoris gives us that ball hawking skill we just hadn't see all that much at the CB position & creates turnovers. A legitimate ball hawk who was very good in a short stint for New Orleans. Giants sucked as a ball club yet Jack Rabbit still had 5 ints. Finding consistent/solid corners is hard to do. I hope he's extended.

01-20-2020, 02:25 PM	#35
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans Originally Posted by TheOak Are you asking that because we always do or because you know something. Drew's $25MM/Year is not in the top 10 for QBs. He is behind Stafford and Carr. Right now we have 12MM in cap space ad no reason to think Drew will want more than the 20-25MM he has been getting for years. We will actually have more cap space available if we do re-sign Brees as it will undoubtedly include a restructure of the $21.3 million he is currently counting against the 2020 cap from the voidable portion of his last contract.

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01-20-2020, 07:18 PM	#36
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We will actually have more cap space available if we do re-sign Brees as it will undoubtedly include a restructure of the $21.3 million he is currently counting against the 2020 cap from the voidable portion of his last contract. Oh I get that also Guido. Loomis has proven repeatedly that there is no such thing as a finite number yet we knee jerkingly always assume we know what a new year and contract will bring. I know everyone else likes Overthecap but I prefer Spotrac with the restructure/cut/trade features to model cap space. There is so much that can be done with our roster to make cap room. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/ro...s-saints/2020/ AsylumGuido and SaintGnome like this.

01-20-2020, 07:34 PM	#37
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,530 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact. I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers. Vonn Bell. What yall say?

01-20-2020, 08:21 PM	#38
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 736	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact. I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers. Vonn Bell. What yall say? I for one definitely want to see Bell back. I'll take PRob over PJ. Apple will be too expensive I'm afraid.

01-20-2020, 09:28 PM	#39
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact. I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers. Vonn Bell. What yall say? I remember when the Saints let Malcolm Jenkins walk, he was playing really poorly. No one was surprised. Jenkins himself said it was a wake up call he needed to resurrect his career back on track. Vonn Bell is the complete opposite. Basically he's lightning it up at his position. IMO letting him walk would be stunning. I hope VB remains in New Orleans. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-21-2020, 12:29 AM	#40
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact. I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers. Vonn Bell. What yall say? Gardner may have made Vonn Bell expendable, and I'll circle back to that situation... This is how I see where it starts with the secondary... Lattimore and Jenkins are under contract, and they'd be a great foundation for the secondary... Mr. Marcus, despite an infamous play, has graded well and does a solid job of ball hawking, and he's still under his rookie contract... Now the SS - Bell or Gardner? Despite taking for ever to develop, Bell has rounded into a solid SS, but what will it cost to keep a SS? Remember, next year we'll likely have to extend Lattimore and he'll want Top 5 CB money, even though he's had lapses the apex predators don't have... So we could simply roll into next season with what we have in the secondary now under contract: CB1 Marshon Lattimore CB2 Janoris Jenkins SS C.J. Gardner FS Marcus Williams NCB Patrick Robinson Now P. Rob was obviously not healthy, still; but is some of this age as well? P Rob has a 2020 cap number of $6.15mil, cut Pre-Jun, he frees up $3.65mil... If you release P. Rob, you have 3.65 that you could use in your secondary... Jenkins had a very small sample size of playing with us, encouraging, but he did have Kirk Cousins QB against him; Jenkins' cap number is $11.25mil, released, we'd get all that back... Then there's Eli Apple, who'd progressed and played very well until the Chicago game, when he regressed and fans turned on him in turn... I see three scenarios Restructure Jenkins, re-sign Vonn Bell, understanding you're not likely keeping Mr. Marcus next season as you'll have to pay Lattimore... Promote Gardner to SS, either release P. Rob and re-sign P.J. Williams (who can play FS in a pinch) or an equivalent NB to replace the Gardner move... Release Jenkins, get a cap friendlier No. 2 CB, re-sign Vonn Bell, have money to extend Lattimore, maybe Mr. Marcus as well... Lot of moving parts here... Rugby Saint II likes this.
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