USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason

K Major · 01-14-2020, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Letting Onyemata and Klein go would be terrible mistakes; Klein I'd restructure, but he's still playing great football; Onyemata is available and actually graded better than Rankins...

At some point I think we need to start a new linebacker thread. Klein playing great? IDK JP ... in coverage he's been smoked quite a few times this season.

3 years, 3 different levels of disappointment. IMO it's time to change up the strategy when looking at linebackers.

The Saints consistently (as a unit) have had some of the slowest LB units in the league for years. In my mind Demario is the only guy that can routinely make plays from sideline to sideline. The Titans, Chiefs and Niners have DTs that can run down the line and force RB's out on edge (Davenport was sorely missed) plays quicker than some of our LB's do.

Klein is a very intelligent LB however all of the smarts in the world can't help you if you are in 1 on 1 situations on the edge against guys like Dalvin Cook once they get to the edge and turn the corner if you are a 4.75 guy. A simple 3 yarder turns in to 8,9 or a 1st down

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Gotta get another sideline to sideline assassin & better upgrade the back ups.

blackangold · 01-14-2020, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

no reason for the defense not to finish top 5 IMO.

talent is there, but it seems Dennis Allen has a habit of having a defense that goes to sleep at times.

Just to make a point, in 3 playoff losses over last 3 years, we have allowed average to below average offenses score well above what they normally do.

Vikings scoring 26 should never happen, 49ers kept them at 10.

Rams scored 26, Patriots kept them to 3 in the SB, Rams offense went bad after Chicago, they havent been much better off this year hence why they missed the playoffs.

Vikings in 2017 scored 25+ (was it 29?) Eagles the next week kept them I think to 7.

bottom line is, we dont have a defense in the playoffs and its concerning.

I have the exact opposite point of view.

Our offense takes a dump in the playoffs consistently. Our defense has held every one of the teams you mentioned to their average or below their average scores for the season. Our offense can’t score more than 25 points in the playoffs and fails to give the D a break at all.

What do you expect when the offense is turning the ball over and getting constant 3 and outs? When you lose the time of possession it wears a D down, and we usually breakdown in the 4th qtr.

For years we wanted just an average defense, now apparently we need the #1 D in the league to win a playoff game... lol

jeanpierre · 01-14-2020, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

San Fran had only 5 starters from last year to this season. They were 4-12 this time last year and 0-8 on the road.
At the start of 2019, we were saying that we just needed to be "middle of the road" on D. Well we finished #11 on defense and the offense craps the bed. I guess next season we'll need to finish top 5 on D to get it done.

I've run out of excuses for the Saints not being able to close.

You or Sean Payton?

Right Now you have 10Xs the credibility by our social interaction in this community and we've never met face-to-face...

K Major · 01-14-2020, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You or Sean Payton?

Right Now you have 10Xs the credibility by our social interaction in this community and we've never met face-to-face...

It's a shame the only person who'll call out coach on his flaws/game planning is the butcher at Whole Foods

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jeanpierre · 01-14-2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

It's a shame the only person who'll call out coach on his flaws/game planning is the butcher at Whole Foods .

Hey, you worry about yo' meat!

Rugby Saint II · 01-14-2020, 12:09 PM

Bye Peat. Thanks for the snow angels while you were on the ground. Klein is a good rotational backup player. Onyemata deserves to stay and get better here in New Orleans. Carr? Who? Never saw him do anything either. Bye.

Crusader · 01-14-2020, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

At some point I think we need to start a new linebacker thread. Klein playing great? IDK JP ... in coverage he's been smoked quite a few times this season.

3 years, 3 different levels of disappointment. IMO it's time to change up the strategy when looking at linebackers.

The Saints consistently (as a unit) have had some of the slowest LB units in the league for years. In my mind Demario is the only guy that can routinely make plays from sideline to sideline.

Back in the Haslett Days we had the NOLA track team at LB, everybody was super fast but couldn't play for ****.

TheOak · 01-14-2020, 02:16 PM

We need 2 Guards, 2 WR, and a CB...

neugey · 01-14-2020, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We need 2 Guards, 2 WR, and a CB...

Why does this sound like a drive-thru order?

FinSaint · 01-14-2020, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

At some point I think we need to start a new linebacker thread. Klein playing great? IDK JP ... in coverage he's been smoked quite a few times this season.

3 years, 3 different levels of disappointment. IMO it's time to change up the strategy when looking at linebackers.

The Saints consistently (as a unit) have had some of the slowest LB units in the league for years. In my mind Demario is the only guy that can routinely make plays from sideline to sideline. The Titans, Chiefs and Niners have DTs that can run down the line and force RB's out on edge (Davenport was sorely missed) plays quicker than some of our LB's do.

Klein is a very intelligent LB however all of the smarts in the world can't help you if you are in 1 on 1 situations on the edge against guys like Dalvin Cook once they get to the edge and turn the corner if you are a 4.75 guy. A simple 3 yarder turns in to 8,9 or a 1st down.

Gotta get another sideline to sideline assassin & better upgrade the back ups.

Anzalone has good speed as well, but has been injured far too often.

If he had been available to pair with Davis for the season - the LBs would have probably been the strenght of the defense.

Hopefully he has now suffered all his serious injuries he is going to have during his career.

01-14-2020, 08:57 AM	#11
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Originally Posted by jeanpierre Letting Onyemata and Klein go would be terrible mistakes; Klein I'd restructure, but he's still playing great football; Onyemata is available and actually graded better than Rankins... At some point I think we need to start a new linebacker thread. Klein playing great? IDK JP ... in coverage he's been smoked quite a few times this season. 3 years, 3 different levels of disappointment. IMO it's time to change up the strategy when looking at linebackers. The Saints consistently (as a unit) have had some of the slowest LB units in the league for years. In my mind Demario is the only guy that can routinely make plays from sideline to sideline. The Titans, Chiefs and Niners have DTs that can run down the line and force RB's out on edge (Davenport was sorely missed) plays quicker than some of our LB's do. Klein is a very intelligent LB however all of the smarts in the world can't help you if you are in 1 on 1 situations on the edge against guys like Dalvin Cook once they get to the edge and turn the corner if you are a 4.75 guy. A simple 3 yarder turns in to 8,9 or a 1st down. Gotta get another sideline to sideline assassin & better upgrade the back ups. Barry from MS and rezburna like this.
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01-14-2020, 10:54 AM	#12
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Originally Posted by Vrillon82 no reason for the defense not to finish top 5 IMO. talent is there, but it seems Dennis Allen has a habit of having a defense that goes to sleep at times. Just to make a point, in 3 playoff losses over last 3 years, we have allowed average to below average offenses score well above what they normally do. Vikings scoring 26 should never happen, 49ers kept them at 10. Rams scored 26, Patriots kept them to 3 in the SB, Rams offense went bad after Chicago, they havent been much better off this year hence why they missed the playoffs. Vikings in 2017 scored 25+ (was it 29?) Eagles the next week kept them I think to 7. bottom line is, we dont have a defense in the playoffs and its concerning. I have the exact opposite point of view. Our offense takes a dump in the playoffs consistently. Our defense has held every one of the teams you mentioned to their average or below their average scores for the season. Our offense can’t score more than 25 points in the playoffs and fails to give the D a break at all. What do you expect when the offense is turning the ball over and getting constant 3 and outs? When you lose the time of possession it wears a D down, and we usually breakdown in the 4th qtr. For years we wanted just an average defense, now apparently we need the #1 D in the league to win a playoff game... lol ScottF and rezburna like this.
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01-14-2020, 11:31 AM	#13
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Originally Posted by K Major San Fran had only 5 starters from last year to this season. They were 4-12 this time last year and 0-8 on the road. At the start of 2019, we were saying that we just needed to be "middle of the road" on D. Well we finished #11 on defense and the offense craps the bed. I guess next season we'll need to finish top 5 on D to get it done. I've run out of excuses for the Saints not being able to close. You or Sean Payton? Right Now you have 10Xs the credibility by our social interaction in this community and we've never met face-to-face... ScottF likes this.

01-14-2020, 11:35 AM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Originally Posted by jeanpierre You or Sean Payton? Right Now you have 10Xs the credibility by our social interaction in this community and we've never met face-to-face... It's a shame the only person who'll call out coach on his flaws/game planning is the butcher at Whole Foods . Rugby Saint II likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Originally Posted by K Major It's a shame the only person who'll call out coach on his flaws/game planning is the butcher at Whole Foods . *Hey, you worry about yo' meat!* K Major likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Bye Peat. Thanks for the snow angels while you were on the ground. Klein is a good rotational backup player. Onyemata deserves to stay and get better here in New Orleans. Carr? Who? Never saw him do anything either. Bye. jeanpierre and K Major like this.

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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Originally Posted by K Major At some point I think we need to start a new linebacker thread. Klein playing great? IDK JP ... in coverage he's been smoked quite a few times this season. 3 years, 3 different levels of disappointment. IMO it's time to change up the strategy when looking at linebackers. The Saints consistently (as a unit) have had some of the slowest LB units in the league for years. In my mind Demario is the only guy that can routinely make plays from sideline to sideline. Back in the Haslett Days we had the NOLA track team at LB, everybody was super fast but couldn't play for ****.

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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Originally Posted by TheOak We need 2 Guards, 2 WR, and a CB... Why does this sound like a drive-thru order? Rugby Saint II and darksoul35 like this.

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: 5 pending free agents the Saints should let walk in 2020 offseason Originally Posted by K Major At some point I think we need to start a new linebacker thread. Klein playing great? IDK JP ... in coverage he's been smoked quite a few times this season. 3 years, 3 different levels of disappointment. IMO it's time to change up the strategy when looking at linebackers. The Saints consistently (as a unit) have had some of the slowest LB units in the league for years. In my mind Demario is the only guy that can routinely make plays from sideline to sideline. The Titans, Chiefs and Niners have DTs that can run down the line and force RB's out on edge (Davenport was sorely missed) plays quicker than some of our LB's do. Klein is a very intelligent LB however all of the smarts in the world can't help you if you are in 1 on 1 situations on the edge against guys like Dalvin Cook once they get to the edge and turn the corner if you are a 4.75 guy. A simple 3 yarder turns in to 8,9 or a 1st down. Gotta get another sideline to sideline assassin & better upgrade the back ups. Anzalone has good speed as well, but has been injured far too often. If he had been available to pair with Davis for the season - the LBs would have probably been the strenght of the defense. Hopefully he has now suffered all his serious injuries he is going to have during his career.