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The answer to this threads question is No.

Brees will give us the best chance of making it back next year behind center.

The rest is on coaching, play calling and consistent play.

I don't know what team showed up to play the vikings but it wasn't one that could have advanced much further or have won the SB.

Of course all of this is based on my over 30 years of couch QB and sofa General Managing. The pay isn't great, but I know everything...

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I don’t know what’s more stupid, you thinking drew has lost it or drew has lost the team. I’m all for bringing him back for another year. I hope he gives a nice hometown discount so we can get him someone to throw to other than MT.

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With Dav and Rank going down it was a lot easier for teams to game plan against Jordan. Those where 2 huge losses to our defense.

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Sorry I posted before I read this.

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Yea rite big discount would u give one hell no


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I'm getting tired of these blaming everything on Drew threads. I'm not saying Drew played exceptional or anything, I just feel like our team is still lacking some things as it is constructed. There is this idea that is completely and utterly ridiculous that we would have done better if Bridgewater was the QB, and it's such a frustratingly stupid thought. Our offense lacks weapons. Kamara looked like a shell of himself for a large part of the season. Really the only two weapons that showed up in the passing game were Thomas and Cook. If Brees had another WR or 2 we'd be fine. Payton also needs to get his head out of his ass at times. One thing we did do better with Bridgewater as the QB was playcalling cause we actually focused on running the football. It's like when Brees is playing, Payton just says "**** it" and never runs the football at all. Brees can still win a Super Bowl. Our window is not closed... I don't even feel like it is closing cause Brees imo still plays at a high level. When you are forced to do everything with just one WR, you are going to get burned though. I'm totally fine with transitioning away from Brees now, cause I know he is getting older. If there was some way to trade away a bunch of draft picks and stuff for Burrow, I'd totally do it. I think Taysom Hill has real potential too. I still think we can win the SB with Brees in the next 2 years though.

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Laying the blame on Brees is an easy and cowardly way out.

I bet the original poster wore a paper bag to the very next Saints home game after the Super Bowl victory because there was no way the victory was for real.

Payton had no faith in the running game without Zach Line in with the O-line issues. He ran a backup OG at FB for a play and he botched it with a false start so that didn't help. Personally, didn't understand why he didn't run Murray out at that position and let him do some block and up the gut plays. Guys mentioned the 49ers and their missing players and even the ones they were missing aren’t as critical in that running scheme as the FB. When he was out their running game was fully stoppable. With a fully healthy Peat and Line the Saints running game was equally unstoppable.

We were all fooled by the 4 game stretch of how the Offense was playing and when it came to the WC game Payton went back to throw first and ditched the running game too soon. Whether it was because of the protection or Minnesota's Dline performance minus the Hill plays the offense was fairly ineffectual.

Brees is more effective in this scheme than any other available QB...period...dot...end of story.

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Hey lad I’m the original poster and never wore a bag on this head . U don’t know me kid so get out of your sand box and get facts before fiction.


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Every QB left in the playoffs past the first round can all (move). They keep drives alive we punt ,they slide. Drew slid once for a 2 yard lost this year. I’m not throwing drew Brees under the bus his/ our hands are tied in the passing game. It’s MT or bust. It was a bust.it’s not about the salary cap should have stated that sorry.


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I'll put a twist on the Brees "situation" ...

If he "stays", gotta upgrade the GUARD position. Peat was either hurt or a liability in 2019. At this stage of his career, Brees needs good solid guard protection in the middle. Vikings saw a weakness and exploited it.

Brees needs another "target" to throw to. Not necessarily the deep ball but a guy who can run short, intermediate routes and can create separation. Tre isn't the guy.

Lastly, upgrade players on defense so we can get off the field on 3rd down. LINEBACKER, DE (I don't trust Davenport to stay healthy 16 games) FREE SAFETY.

But again, we need more weapons at WR. I'd like to get another one in FA in addition to the draft.

I'm really curious to see who the Saints retain & allow to walk in 2020.

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Brees has one WR. Maybe the best possession WR of all-time. But, just one. Brees has a coach who refuses to run the ball even though he won it all with his most balanced attack. Brees's all-world do everything guy Kamara, for whatever reason or reasons, was an unproductive shell of himself this season. The worst non-tackle in history by Williams and the coaches cost Brees a Super Bowl shot two years ago. The ref's robbed Brees of a Super Bowl last year. Key injuries, along with being out coached and out played as a whole, with another game deciding assist from the refs, cost Brees a Super Bowl shot this year. The Saints would have not won their only Super Bowl without Brees. The Saints would not have been in real contention for any other Super Bowls without Brees. As long as Brees wants to be a Saint, he needs to be a Saint.

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[QUOTE=cars4dylan;877505]Laying the blame on Brees is an easy and cowardly way out.

Oh...Snap!!!:dance:

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http://www.haring.com/!/wp-content/u...rackiswack.jpg
CAlling it like I see it.
I think the feminine burning is coming from the "Cut Brees" Lobby.
I'm disappointed we lost, also. I understand you need a goat, even if its the G.O.A.T, to sacrifice to appease your disappointment, and this year we cant
blame the refs. Nevermind, the injured, and underperforming OL, including your All-Pro starting Center. You cant throw from your Butt. Ok, Bobby could, but...

I'm not judging, believe me- in spite of the divisive tone. This is the internet, and it just doesnt mean that much, after you've seen it a few years. I'd just as soon post pictures of cats.

But hey, this whole BDS is a tantrum, and I've been guilty of plenty of tantrums in my youth---and you just dont know nasty, till you saw me in my 20s (or 30s) after the Saints lost. I went out of my way to say something shockingly ugly. They didnt have Antifa back then, and I was too big for diapers, so I needed to vent.

I once punched my own Windshield out in my car-- true story.. I had no idea windshields broke that easily. (My body went thru one a few years later, at the hands of a deranged girlfriend-- different story) I jabbed my windshield after a loss to the 49ers, and left the bar, without telling my girlfriend or buddies. (she drove her own car there) Eventually, I apologized to her, and she told me one of our WhoDats said, "Man, he sure takes his football seriously."

Your hurting. I'm hurting. We were going to have the biggest party. Dont tell me NOTHIN, DUDE. I hired a freakin JAZZ BAND for the Vikings game!

We're all armchair Vince Lombardis, and we all, at some time need to RAAAAGE, and I get it. Eventually, I learned to hold my wife's hand (3rd wife- yall've met her) I held her hand sweetly every time we lost, and walked from the Dome to the Quarter, and we went to Royal St. because she liked to look at pretty things--- and she knew I was hurting, and I liked myself so much better, when I acted right. And we had ice cream, and some kind of good food. And it gets better and the Sun will come out, and Im having a Crawfish Party, and a Draft Party, and Baseball, and before you know it, Training Camp.

Shhhh.. go to sleep now.

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Love you, man!

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Love Back at ya, Dude.
There's a special place in my heart for Ark-La-Tex Saints fans. Its a place of religious persecution for WhoDats, and I remember well, getting Shreveport TV, and its worship of the Cowboys, when I worked near Natchitoches. (I remember wondering if I was the only Saints Fan in
Louisiana.) I'm sure there have been many conversions, since I was last there, seeing as the Saints are Contenders, and the Boys are perennially home for Christmas.

I would like to propose you and WhoDat 656? (guy with the battleship avatar) and Sgt. Hulka, and the other guys in the upper left side of the Boot consider chartering a Party Bus- and join me for our big WhoDat Crawfish Boil, after Easter. SETX and NWLA chapters of WhoDat Nation should have a special fellowship, and of course Cajun Country, NOLA, (obviously) - Halo, himself has attended several; Pope Ed XLIV of San Antonio will be there, everyone on B&G will be welcome. Maybe we can get the infamous FF to come back. Did you know he's normal in real life? If you've followed, we had a guy drive from Michigan, years back. Of course, I actually have friends on Site-X, also. lol

Anyway, you guys talk. I'm planning this in pieces. Maybe yall could put together a Draft Day thing in S'Port.. The Viking Girl, my new gf, wants any excuse to do the Steel Magnolia's thing, and I'd like to visit my old radio stations - If KWLA still exists, and I'd like to visit KEEL. So talk to me.

Whoops, sorry, threadjack. (Site X hated me for that) ok.. back on topic:
Drew Brees is the best QB in the NFL, STILL, and he gives us the best chance for another Ring. He is not your goat. He is the G.O.A.T.

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The answer to the question is “no”. Just don’t resign him and move on to Bridgewater. Brees accuracy is crap beyond 15 yards, arm strength is diminished, and if he is not allowed to step up in the pocket the chances of a incompletion increase and turnover increase significantly. Best for him to retire on top by winning the division than continue to become the reason for the saints demise.

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You simply can not hold a team hostage when you are a free agent at the end of every season lol. Next....

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Someone asked "How do you cope with a crushing loss?" The answer for me is easy. I moved from Metairie in 1988. Spent the next 12 years in the middle of Alabama. Where "What's the NFL?" was the locals mantra. Bama and Auburn ruled supreme. No one I worked with cared about pro football. Wasn't talked about for hours and hours. Been that way till I moved north of Indianapolis. The GOAT Peyton Manning was playing out the end of his career. The enemy is the Pat's. I work in Lafayette and once again no one care about the NFL. Drew Brees, yes. He went to the local university. It's easy for me to get over a Saints loss. No longer being a "way of life" it truly has become "Just a game millionaires play on Sunday."

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[QUOTE=Cruize;877534]Brees has one WR. Maybe the best possession WR of all-time. But, just one. Brees has a coach who refuses to run the ball even though he won it all with his most balanced attack. Brees's all-world do everything guy Kamara, for whatever reason or reasons, was an unproductive shell of himself this season. /QUOTE]

One.

Brees can no longer bail out below average WR's. I'd replace Ginn & Tre ...especially Tre. He's been in the system long enough to be making more of an impact. I saw him LIVE 2 years ago here in Dallas (wrong routes, late off the line, dropped a TD on a slant etc) & I'm still seeing the same WR without much improvement.

It's too bad Cam Meredith, Rashard Matthews, Dez etc never got a true chance to see if they could help our team in 2019.

Unfortunate.

I'm looking forward to the 2020 draft & Free Agency. We have holes that need to be addressed if we want to get back and win the SB before Brees exits left.

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Seem to be doing something right ..

League championships (1)

Super Bowl championships (1)
2009 (XLIV)

Conference championships (1)

NFC: 2009

Division championships (8)

NFC West: 1991, 2000
NFC South: 2006, 2009, 2011, 2017, 2018, 2019

Playoff appearances (13)

NFL: 1987, 1990, 1991, 1992, 2000, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2017, 2018, 2019

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Wr is the #1 need followed by Guard and an athletic LB to pair with Demario. Alex Bologne will never stay healthy we need a sideline to sideline guy. No bargain bin guys at WR next year like Rishard Matthews. If Payton refuses to fill this hole and think Drew is able to make any WR an all pro, be prepared for more of the same.

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If we thought Brees declined this past year, we are in for a rude awakening next year. He'll be 41 and I'm not looking forward to it. It's sad watching legendary QBs past their primes still trying to play with diminished skills. I expect Brees will still have his good games from time to time just like Manning and Brady did after their declines, but we are going to be leaning entirely on the defense if we are to have another winning season. He'll still get his stats and high percentage completion by relying on checkdowns.

It's too early to say, but I almost feel like this team will be 8-8 or 9-7 next year. Losing Mike Nolan on the defensive staff is going to hurt unless we get a solid replacement. Fans talk about how "easy" the NFC South is, but that don't last forever. The NFL is very unpredictable. We probably wouldn't even be having this conversation about our Saints, if the 49ers didn't just appear out of nowhere, or GB fluke into a 13-3 season and get a bye. No one was predicting the Niners to get this far before the season started, nor did anyone see the Titans having the kind of success they had.

I think next year, there's going to be another set of surprises that bumps us up, just like this past year. I do not see us finishing 13-3 again with the opponents on our upcoming schedule. We've had some serious lucky breaks the past 2 years in the regular season and that stuff don't always work out year to year.

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U mean we won’t have to tank for trever lawrence[emoji40]


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Just don’t want to see drew go down like Eli Manning it will kill me


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I really think a surprise team is coming out of the south. Panthers and Bucs will be improved and Atlanta will definitely not have a season like this again.

Panthers and Bucs will make qb changes. I don’t think they make a long term commitment to Winston. I have a feeling Rivers signs with them and with Evans and Godwin that’s scary. Less int’s

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Atlanta’s definitely going to build on there finish not there start and with our declining guard position it’s worried the crap out of me


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And I hope AK was hobbled all year. And not u know that long term deal business


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Ohhkay Upgrade the Oline interior, get another TE and a legit #2 wr

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Peat is trash. Warford is average. McCoy is going to be a star. Interior offensive line isn’t in crisis. It would help having somebody who could roll out. That changes the way teams rush you.

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I hear u Rez it’s a huge factor all of the above .


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Reality is...

We will only be able to bring one of our QBs back. Think about the future, not just the next season and tell me which one you want to have?

Some team is going to take a shot on Hill as a starter, he is getting 10-15m a year. Teddy is getting 20+ from another team, same with Brees. So, due to our cap issues we can only afford to keep one.

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First of all, Brees will still be a better all round QB than either of the other two three years from now ... in my opinion. That said, you must understand that the cap is fluid. We can easily retain two of the three. Currently Brees is counting $21.3 million against the 2020 cap even though he is not under contract. That figure can, and will, be lowered by as much as 2/3rds with a new contract with voidable future years. The final cap ceiling has yet to be finalized, but it should be north of $200 million and the Saints have an additional $3+ million rollover from 2019.

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Sure, you can kick the can down the road, I assumed that will happen should Drew come back, it's just another poisoned contract but get you by 2020.

However even with that extension for Drew the cap is still extremely tight and with all of the holes we have paying 15m per year for a backup QB isn't likely to happen.

I don't agree with Drew being better 3 years from now, but we've gone down that road. No one is changing their minds on Drew now. To be clear you would rather have Brees and see the other two playing elsewhere.

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Yes. Definitely. Given the choice of only one it would absolutely without any doubt be Brees.

And the cap isn't near as tight as you are implying. When the cap was truly tight we were routinely going into the new year projected to be well OVER the cap prior to contract adjustments.

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If Brees is resigned he needs to do away with the no trade clause. If he want it does hold the Saints hostage. Brees days are numbered with his age alone it's just a matter of how soon. If (and it's a huge if) he plays 3 more years (which the duck ball will be in play) Paytons going to have to change in his schemes and I don't see that happening. If Brees plays this will be his last year here or Paytons riding this team into the ground.

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This next contract, like the last, will be a multi-year with the future years being voidable so a trade, unless during the season, wouldn't be possible anyway. But, the no trade clause will be a given. As little as some around here feel about Brees, I'll guarantee you that the Saints want him around.

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That’s not going to happen...first, he will most likely sign another one year deal so it negates any trade leverage that we would have anyway. Secondly, they are going to resign him if he wants to play and we need him to comeback for one more season so that we aren’t stuck in Cap Hell with key young players due extensions.

So to summarize all of this, Brees will be our starting QB next season unless he retires, regardless if you feel he gives us the best chance to win.

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Yep. So basically another one year deal.

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I get it but it's still being held hostage. The dead money will be there this season and next even signing a new deal. Just a little lower.

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No, you don't get it, and many others commenting do not get it.

Drew is not holding anyone hostage. Is is not Drew Brees wanting Loomis to have 2020 in the contract, It is Loomis putting 2020 in to make cap space to sign Bridgewater.

The restructure to have 2020 in Drew's contract was Mickey ****ing Loomis.

Drew wants two things. 1. To play for the Saints. 2. To live in New Orleans.

We can be a fairly ****ed up fan base at times. We blame refs for our losses, we blame a QB for the structure of a contract, seems like we thoroughly enjoy playing the perpetual victim.