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... and there are actually Saints fans who want the greatest QB in Football to quit them. pure whack.

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Brady is a FA, SHOULD WE? :rofl:

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Agreed on the Falcons.

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Drew will be our QB until we draft a successor (2 years)at which point we will have the last year of his contract and a rookie contract which will be very doable. We will not be in cap hell.

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Probably play a good TE


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Side bar question ...

Assuming 2 Glove Teddy B leaves in Free Agency, any interest in bringing in former 1st rounder Marcus Marriota as back up? I'd like to see what a good OC could do with a young, talented player.

Not making excuses for Marcus but he's had 3 or 4 different offensive coordinators since entering the league in 2015.

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It crossed my tiny mind. He was good enough to beat us as a rookie. But seems every rookie knows how to beat us.


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My pick would be teddy lands in California a charger. Mariota would be to expensive though for a back up so I think we go like a colt mccoy on the cheap but usable if we keep taysom active in the playbook.


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I think Teddy goes to Carolina...

Anyone think it’s odd that Drew hasn’t come out and said what he intends to do yet? I don’t think it’s unreasonable for him to wait a few months to see where his head is at, but usually Drew is pretty decisive, at least he was in past years.

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B&G ...

The 0-42 stat ^^^^ in your signature quote ... one word WOW.

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https://blog.minitab.com/blog/the-st...mes-in-the-nfl

Rushing attempts = WINS? There is this.......

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Drew has said what he intends to do. He has said that he intends to keep playing as long as he is playing at a high level and is enjoying the game and preparation. He has also said that he intends on finishing his career with the Saints. It is a given that he will be back once again next year. That is the assumption by himself AND the Saints front office.

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WTF is this with this Brees BS?

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What is so wow about that? They have also lost 394 games when they rushed the ball 15 or more times in a game. It makes perfect sense. That fact that they rushed the ball fewer than 15 times was not the reason they lost those games. The fact that they were losing the games forced them to go to the pass early, thus leading to fewer rushing attempts.

This has been pointed out and has even been discussed on NFL Radio. Correlation does not equal causation.

A similar stat could be shown for every football team ever.

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Exactly what the link I posted is about.

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AG -

Circle back to the Vikings. D Cooks ran 28 times.
Andy Reid doesn't even have a RB "threat", yet their RB + Pat Mahommes ran 25 times last night. Credit AR for not abandoning the run even when they got behind.

The Saints RB (AK/LM) two main threats ran 12 times + Take some Taysom 3 run plays = 16. Running the ball is how you advance in the playoffs.

Then factor in that our defense isn't clutch when it needs to be late in games.

Maybe coach will change his strategy on commitment to run "early" so he won't have to pass late. It sure as hell worked when 2 Glove Teddy was running the offense.

Take what defenses are giving you. Have we stayed committed to the run with TH, LM, AK, we are more likely still playing in January ... maybe even the Super Bowl.

Even if you are getting mauled in the trenches, stick with it.

But here we are ....

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If the run keeps getting you three and outs sometimes you have to go with the pass just to hope to move the chains. Every coach would rather run than pass, but sometimes your hand is forced. As I pointed out, running the ball 15 or more times still resulted in 396 Saints losses. The reason we lost games with lows numbers of runs is not because we ran the ball too little. It is because we could not maintain drives. Once again, correlation is NOT causation. We ran the ball so few times because we could not prolong drives which limits the number of possessions and plays.

This is not the norm. Those 42 losses came over 839 games and 53 years. And why was that threshold of UNDER 15 games used? Because the Saints won games with 15 carries. It can be done. Is it ideal? No. Hopefully you can get back into the game and start prolonging drives that will allow you more carries later. I will guarantee you that has happened dozens of times over the past 53 years for the Saints.

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I have to call you out on this one, K. In fact, it completely supports my take. In the Chiefs first four possessions they had six running plays and 23 passing plays and one of those six running plays was Mahomes' 27 yard scramble for the TD and their first lead at 21-17. It wasn't until they had gained the lead that they were able to commit to the run. Nineteen of their 27 total running plays came in the final three possessions with the lead.

They got behind early and their running game was not working so they went strictly to the pass until they were able to regain the lead. What would have happened had they NOT regained the lead? Chances are they would have continued to try to catch up via the pass and if that was not successful they would have lost with less than ten rushing attempts. Was their potential loss because they ran the ball fewer than ten times? Or was the fact that they were not able to regain the lead that led to their potentially running the ball fewer than ten times?

:D

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But they were able to pass and do so effectively because tennessee was only sending three and they were average to below average pass rushers. Minnesota was a different story, they have a really good four man rush. Idk what Pees was thinking but any good qb will torch you doing that. So mahomes didn't have to worry about tennessee pinning their ears back cause basically they were playing prevent damn near and we all know what prevent does.

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I wasn't referring as much to the Vikings game as I was to the 42 lost games in Saints history with fewer than 15 rushing attempts as brought up by K_Major. Sometimes the flow of the game dictates what you can try. Total rushing attempts is game situation produced, not the other way around. Abandoning a running game does not create a loss. Being unable to maintain drives via the run and getting behind can force the need to pass and can still result in a loss.

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I only keep my sig because it gets people mad :)... There is also much truth to it.

I'll take it down and put up some Brees stuff next to piss others off, for now letting AG see it has been fun. Just keeping you frickin pissed brother!

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Guido.... correlation not equaling causation discussions are a lost cause, I have tried beating that dead horse. Some people don't search for answers, they seek out rationalization to justify their feels.


Stats with interpretation = Good
Stats with rationalization = :dunce:

Here is a player, his stats, and a fun rationalization.
2019 Regular Season Stats
Eli Apple: 4 passes defended, 0 interceptions
Shy Tuttle: 4 Passes defended, 1 interception

Shy Tuttle should be playing CB instead of Eli Apple.
Stats can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands:broccoli:

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Just stop with your logic crap, it does absolutely nothing to further the agenda or make people comfortable with their woke ideas. :jester:

If they read it, they will just dismiss it (judging from the replies after you posted the link, that is precisely what they did, dismissed the article).

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Sound Familiar?


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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I posted the same article weeks ago when the issue first arose. I worked for over 25 years as a data analyst and dealt with data correlation on a daily basis. Part of my job was to keep people from making the mistake of inferring cause based solely on a finite sets of data. These people were usually either misinformed or lazy. Sometimes they were simply dimwitted.

On the other hand, I would at times use this false correlation/cause type of scenario to imply a result that really did not exist. This was usually used in sales and advertising.

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Nope. It doesn't make me mad. It makes me more sad that it leads the ignorant into believing the incorrect and repeating it as gospel to other uninformed who then take it as fact.

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Brees has a laser pointed at his back every Sunday so does every other guy that on sports center day in and day out. Some in awe some just jealous as hell it comes with being great. Buuuut like mike Zimmerman said he was glad to see brees than laysome taysom for the last drive.


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This opinion from a washed out lawyer and washed out college QB

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As opposed to "EGGSPURTS" Who KNOW ALL Just ask them!!:rolleyes: :lolup:

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As expected. Status quo, so the anti-Brees faction needs to face the fact that he is here for the foreseeable future. He told Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan pretty much the same thing on NFL Radio about 45 minutes ago. They will most likely wait until every other deal is done and adjust Brees' final contract structure to fit sometime late this summer (per me).

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Guessing some may argue that Loomis has Stockholm Syndrome...

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:roflmao:

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I'm leaning towards misinformed because they are lazy. We no longer live in a vetted news cycle, the interwebs has filled the public space with e-pinions from individuals who's goal is not to become a credible information source, but rather to generate the most clicks. What was once space pretty much owned by The National Enquirer is now around every click and scroll and societies gullibility has increased 100 fold.

The whole run=win has been going on here for years albeit in a slightly different form.. Remember 'Ingram needs more carries to run well'? Just the slightest bit of critical thought about that statement should lead you to at least one assumptions if it is true. Ingram will never run well in the first or third quarters because he has not had time to build the mythical 'rhythm'...

Yes, the boiling water in the red kettle is 212F. The water is not 212F because the kettle is red lol. :dunce:

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I disagree with some of this statement. My work is pretty physical and that mystical rhythm it's not mystical. It's true. Can't speak for other people but I can account for how I feel and perform. And yes one can start off slow and sluggish then the blood really gets to flowing( I'm usually starting to sweat by this time) and this little thing kicks in called adrenaline which really helps to keep up that mythical rhythm you speak of. I'm no work out junkie like most pro atheletes are and can only imagine how strong and alert they become once they find a rhythm but in no way shape or form is it a mystical thing.

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