Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage?

lynwood · 01-16-2020, 02:40 PM

The answer to this threads question is No.

Brees will give us the best chance of making it back next year behind center.

The rest is on coaching, play calling and consistent play.

I don't know what team showed up to play the vikings but it wasn't one that could have advanced much further or have won the SB.

Of course all of this is based on my over 30 years of couch QB and sofa General Managing. The pay isn't great, but I know everything...

voodooido · 01-16-2020, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Drew Brees will be coming back one more season to seal the deal on his HOF career . And in my honest opinion will not get us back to a Super Bowl . Simply doing it for the records . Sorry if it burns some of ur pussies but jmo. Think about it. This offense has lost its confidence in Drew and Payton for plays he has to call to suit Drew’s decline . We have to put in another guy to throw long which alerts the common 12 year old fan to defend either a bomb or a qb sweep. They will be ready for it next season. Come next season my expectations are minuscule . Because I’m done getting burnt by the eye candy.

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I don’t know what’s more stupid, you thinking drew has lost it or drew has lost the team. I’m all for bringing him back for another year. I hope he gives a nice hometown discount so we can get him someone to throw to other than MT.

darksoul35 · 01-16-2020, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by cmike

Jordan talkin all dat S$$t failed to get to Cousins, Goff and Keenum on critical plays.

With Dav and Rank going down it was a lot easier for teams to game plan against Jordan. Those where 2 huge losses to our defense.

darksoul35 · 01-16-2020, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

AND a certain degree of luck when it comes to injuries. A healthy Davenport and Rankins would have made a huge difference this post-season.

Sorry I posted before I read this.

st thomas · 01-16-2020, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I don’t know what’s more stupid, you thinking drew has lost it or drew has lost the team. I’m all for bringing him back for another year. I hope he gives a nice hometown discount so we can get him someone to throw to other than MT.

Yea rite big discount would u give one hell no

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hitta · 01-16-2020, 09:49 PM

I'm getting tired of these blaming everything on Drew threads. I'm not saying Drew played exceptional or anything, I just feel like our team is still lacking some things as it is constructed. There is this idea that is completely and utterly ridiculous that we would have done better if Bridgewater was the QB, and it's such a frustratingly stupid thought. Our offense lacks weapons. Kamara looked like a shell of himself for a large part of the season. Really the only two weapons that showed up in the passing game were Thomas and Cook. If Brees had another WR or 2 we'd be fine. Payton also needs to get his head out of his ass at times. One thing we did do better with Bridgewater as the QB was playcalling cause we actually focused on running the football. It's like when Brees is playing, Payton just says "**** it" and never runs the football at all. Brees can still win a Super Bowl. Our window is not closed... I don't even feel like it is closing cause Brees imo still plays at a high level. When you are forced to do everything with just one WR, you are going to get burned though. I'm totally fine with transitioning away from Brees now, cause I know he is getting older. If there was some way to trade away a bunch of draft picks and stuff for Burrow, I'd totally do it. I think Taysom Hill has real potential too. I still think we can win the SB with Brees in the next 2 years though.

cars4dylan · 01-17-2020, 09:11 AM

Laying the blame on Brees is an easy and cowardly way out.

I bet the original poster wore a paper bag to the very next Saints home game after the Super Bowl victory because there was no way the victory was for real.

Payton had no faith in the running game without Zach Line in with the O-line issues. He ran a backup OG at FB for a play and he botched it with a false start so that didn't help. Personally, didn't understand why he didn't run Murray out at that position and let him do some block and up the gut plays. Guys mentioned the 49ers and their missing players and even the ones they were missing aren’t as critical in that running scheme as the FB. When he was out their running game was fully stoppable. With a fully healthy Peat and Line the Saints running game was equally unstoppable.

We were all fooled by the 4 game stretch of how the Offense was playing and when it came to the WC game Payton went back to throw first and ditched the running game too soon. Whether it was because of the protection or Minnesota's Dline performance minus the Hill plays the offense was fairly ineffectual.

Brees is more effective in this scheme than any other available QB...period...dot...end of story.

st thomas · 01-17-2020, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by cars4dylan

Laying the blame on Brees is an easy and cowardly way out.

I bet the original poster wore a paper bag to the very next Saints home game after the Super Bowl victory because there was no way the victory was for real.

Payton had no faith in the running game without Zach Line in with the O-line issues. He ran a backup OG at FB for a play and he botched it with a false start so that didn't help. Personally, didn't understand why he didn't run Murray out at that position and let him do some block and up the gut plays. Guys mentioned the 49ers and their missing players and even the ones they were missing aren’t as critical in that running scheme as the FB. When he was out their running game was fully stoppable. With a fully healthy Peat and Line the Saints running game was equally unstoppable.

We were all fooled by the 4 game stretch of how the Offense was playing and when it came to the WC game Payton went back to throw first and ditched the running game too soon. Whether it was because of the protection or Minnesota's Dline performance minus the Hill plays the offense was fairly ineffectual.

Brees is more effective in this scheme than any other available QB...period...dot...end of story.

Hey lad I’m the original poster and never wore a bag on this head . U don’t know me kid so get out of your sand box and get facts before fiction.

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st thomas · 01-17-2020, 09:37 AM

Every QB left in the playoffs past the first round can all (move). They keep drives alive we punt ,they slide. Drew slid once for a 2 yard lost this year. I’m not throwing drew Brees under the bus his/ our hands are tied in the passing game. It’s MT or bust. It was a bust.it’s not about the salary cap should have stated that sorry.

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K Major · 01-17-2020, 10:30 AM

I'll put a twist on the Brees "situation" ...

If he "stays", gotta upgrade the GUARD position. Peat was either hurt or a liability in 2019. At this stage of his career, Brees needs good solid guard protection in the middle. Vikings saw a weakness and exploited it.

Brees needs another "target" to throw to. Not necessarily the deep ball but a guy who can run short, intermediate routes and can create separation. Tre isn't the guy.

Lastly, upgrade players on defense so we can get off the field on 3rd down. LINEBACKER, DE (I don't trust Davenport to stay healthy 16 games) FREE SAFETY.

But again, we need more weapons at WR. I'd like to get another one in FA in addition to the draft.

I'm really curious to see who the Saints retain & allow to walk in 2020.

01-16-2020, 02:40 PM	#41
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? The answer to this threads question is No. Brees will give us the best chance of making it back next year behind center. The rest is on coaching, play calling and consistent play. I don't know what team showed up to play the vikings but it wasn't one that could have advanced much further or have won the SB. Of course all of this is based on my over 30 years of couch QB and sofa General Managing. The pay isn't great, but I know everything... jnormand, cars4dylan, neugey and 2 others like this.

01-16-2020, 08:14 PM	#42
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by st thomas Drew Brees will be coming back one more season to seal the deal on his HOF career . And in my honest opinion will not get us back to a Super Bowl . Simply doing it for the records . Sorry if it burns some of ur pussies but jmo. Think about it. This offense has lost its confidence in Drew and Payton for plays he has to call to suit Drew’s decline . We have to put in another guy to throw long which alerts the common 12 year old fan to defend either a bomb or a qb sweep. They will be ready for it next season. Come next season my expectations are minuscule . Because I’m done getting burnt by the eye candy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I don’t know what’s more stupid, you thinking drew has lost it or drew has lost the team. I’m all for bringing him back for another year. I hope he gives a nice hometown discount so we can get him someone to throw to other than MT. jnormand likes this.
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01-16-2020, 08:26 PM	#43
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by cmike Jordan talkin all dat S$$t failed to get to Cousins, Goff and Keenum on critical plays. With Dav and Rank going down it was a lot easier for teams to game plan against Jordan. Those where 2 huge losses to our defense.
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01-16-2020, 08:31 PM	#44
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido AND a certain degree of luck when it comes to injuries. A healthy Davenport and Rankins would have made a huge difference this post-season. Sorry I posted before I read this.
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01-16-2020, 09:46 PM	#45
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by voodooido I don’t know what’s more stupid, you thinking drew has lost it or drew has lost the team. I’m all for bringing him back for another year. I hope he gives a nice hometown discount so we can get him someone to throw to other than MT. Yea rite big discount would u give one hell no Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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01-16-2020, 09:49 PM	#46
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,320	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? I'm getting tired of these blaming everything on Drew threads. I'm not saying Drew played exceptional or anything, I just feel like our team is still lacking some things as it is constructed. There is this idea that is completely and utterly ridiculous that we would have done better if Bridgewater was the QB, and it's such a frustratingly stupid thought. Our offense lacks weapons. Kamara looked like a shell of himself for a large part of the season. Really the only two weapons that showed up in the passing game were Thomas and Cook. If Brees had another WR or 2 we'd be fine. Payton also needs to get his head out of his ass at times. One thing we did do better with Bridgewater as the QB was playcalling cause we actually focused on running the football. It's like when Brees is playing, Payton just says "**** it" and never runs the football at all. Brees can still win a Super Bowl. Our window is not closed... I don't even feel like it is closing cause Brees imo still plays at a high level. When you are forced to do everything with just one WR, you are going to get burned though. I'm totally fine with transitioning away from Brees now, cause I know he is getting older. If there was some way to trade away a bunch of draft picks and stuff for Burrow, I'd totally do it. I think Taysom Hill has real potential too. I still think we can win the SB with Brees in the next 2 years though. jnormand, Rugby Saint II and voodooido like this.
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01-17-2020, 09:11 AM	#47
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Laying the blame on Brees is an easy and cowardly way out. I bet the original poster wore a paper bag to the very next Saints home game after the Super Bowl victory because there was no way the victory was for real. Payton had no faith in the running game without Zach Line in with the O-line issues. He ran a backup OG at FB for a play and he botched it with a false start so that didn't help. Personally, didn't understand why he didn't run Murray out at that position and let him do some block and up the gut plays. Guys mentioned the 49ers and their missing players and even the ones they were missing aren’t as critical in that running scheme as the FB. When he was out their running game was fully stoppable. With a fully healthy Peat and Line the Saints running game was equally unstoppable. We were all fooled by the 4 game stretch of how the Offense was playing and when it came to the WC game Payton went back to throw first and ditched the running game too soon. Whether it was because of the protection or Minnesota's Dline performance minus the Hill plays the offense was fairly ineffectual. Brees is more effective in this scheme than any other available QB...period...dot...end of story. jnormand, voodooido and Rell&Gold like this.
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01-17-2020, 09:25 AM	#48
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by cars4dylan Laying the blame on Brees is an easy and cowardly way out. I bet the original poster wore a paper bag to the very next Saints home game after the Super Bowl victory because there was no way the victory was for real. Payton had no faith in the running game without Zach Line in with the O-line issues. He ran a backup OG at FB for a play and he botched it with a false start so that didn't help. Personally, didn't understand why he didn't run Murray out at that position and let him do some block and up the gut plays. Guys mentioned the 49ers and their missing players and even the ones they were missing aren’t as critical in that running scheme as the FB. When he was out their running game was fully stoppable. With a fully healthy Peat and Line the Saints running game was equally unstoppable. We were all fooled by the 4 game stretch of how the Offense was playing and when it came to the WC game Payton went back to throw first and ditched the running game too soon. Whether it was because of the protection or Minnesota's Dline performance minus the Hill plays the offense was fairly ineffectual. Brees is more effective in this scheme than any other available QB...period...dot...end of story. Hey lad I’m the original poster and never wore a bag on this head . U don’t know me kid so get out of your sand box and get facts before fiction. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-17-2020, 09:37 AM	#49
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Every QB left in the playoffs past the first round can all (move). They keep drives alive we punt ,they slide. Drew slid once for a 2 yard lost this year. I’m not throwing drew Brees under the bus his/ our hands are tied in the passing game. It’s MT or bust. It was a bust.it’s not about the salary cap should have stated that sorry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-17-2020, 10:30 AM	#50
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? I'll put a twist on the Brees "situation" ... If he "stays", gotta upgrade the GUARD position. Peat was either hurt or a liability in 2019. At this stage of his career, Brees needs good solid guard protection in the middle. Vikings saw a weakness and exploited it. Brees needs another "target" to throw to. Not necessarily the deep ball but a guy who can run short, intermediate routes and can create separation. Tre isn't the guy. Lastly, upgrade players on defense so we can get off the field on 3rd down. LINEBACKER, DE (I don't trust Davenport to stay healthy 16 games) FREE SAFETY. But again, we need more weapons at WR. I'd like to get another one in FA in addition to the draft. I'm really curious to see who the Saints retain & allow to walk in 2020. jnormand and st thomas like this.
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