New Orleans Saints running back Latavius Murray stepped up when called upon in 2019

st thomas · 02-05-2020, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

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Sean Payton will need to change it up offensively ... specifically in the POST SEASON. The good teams have caught on to what we do offensively. You can't go through Brees (defenses don't respect anything past 20 yards) anymore to win it all.

Balance.

IMO things won't change much while #9 is under center; maybe adding a real #2 WR open things up a little but you need an effective run game.

Hopefully the Saints target a MOBILE QB in the draft. He doesn't have to be Lamar J but a kid who can move the chains with his feet on occasion. Vikes & Zimmers defense knew that was something they didn't have to worry about.

But back on topic, L Train still had a nice season with the carries he was given in 2019.

I think the L train did no worst than having mark here mater of fact a lot better I think. Wish we could have seen more.

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st thomas · 02-05-2020, 09:27 AM

Saw buckshot brooks guess draft on Jordan Love (USU) to saints I heard chatter on the kid being a shadow of mahommes . For the love of the sport and not so knowledgeable on name that school I had to google what the heck was USU.

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RailBoss · 02-05-2020, 10:16 AM

Had to mention Ditka didn't ya, there goes years of therapy trying to get that guy out of my head.

st thomas · 02-05-2020, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Saw buckshot brooks guess draft on Jordan Love (USU) to saints I heard chatter on the kid being a shadow of mahommes . For the love of the sport and not so knowledgeable on name that school I had to google what the heck was USU.

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Could someone put this in the draft prospect tread my bad self

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Rugby Saint II · 02-05-2020, 02:01 PM

Murray was critically underused last season. Maybe Payton will use him more next year. If not, then trade him and get some value. I'd rather run him in the ground and give Kamara a rest.

dizzle88 · 02-05-2020, 04:08 PM

Payton often out coaches himself. He gets so worked up on exploiting mismatches and putting the ball in a 41 year old QB's hands 50 times a game, that he forgets the formula that won us 5 straight games whilst Brees was out.

Run game.

Just watch the Super Bowl, KC didnt have a great running game all year, but the threat of the Chiefs offense was enough to make the 9ers forget that KC had a very dependable RB in Damien Williams, he deserved the SB MVP in my opinion.

Payton just acts as though the thing that won him 5 games doesnt exist when he gets to the Post Season, because ofcourse, Coach knows best....

K Major · 02-05-2020, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Payton often out coaches himself. He gets so worked up on exploiting mismatches and putting the ball in a 41 year old QB's hands 50 times a game, that he forgets the formula that won us 5 straight games whilst Brees was out.

Run game.

Just watch the Super Bowl, KC didnt have a great running game all year, but the threat of the Chiefs offense was enough to make the 9ers forget that KC had a very dependable RB in Damien Williams, he deserved the SB MVP in my opinion.

Payton just acts as though the thing that won him 5 games doesnt exist when he gets to the Post Season, because ofcourse, Coach knows best....

This is true, however KC/Reid/Eric Bienemy did end up 3rd (77 total ) in terms of total rush attempts of all the teams who made it to the post season.

Meanwhile the Saints only had 17 total rushing attempts, followed by the Pats (22). Both losers at home in the wild card round.

Niners ran it 111 & the Titans 100 ...

AsylumGuido · 02-05-2020, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

This is true, however KC/Reid/Eric Bienemy did end up 3rd (77 total ) in terms of total rush attempts of all the teams who made it to the post season.

Meanwhile the Saints only had 17 total rushing attempts, followed by the Pats (22). Both losers at home in the wild card round.

Niners ran it 111 & the Titans 100 ...

Which means nothing unless every down is evaluated and every defensive alignment is evaluated.

I'm sure many of you understand these concepts. NFL offensive play calls are not made in a vacuum. They are schemed upon what is felt may work the best under different circumstances against an opponent based upon their tendencies. This is called a "game plan". Part of a game plan may involve a series of scripted plays which feels out how the opponent may have adapted their tendencies. The result of these plays can quickly cause a change in approach, as can other adjustments made by the defense as the game progresses. If a defense takes away a certain subset of plays that you have designed for a specific player's skill set, you must adjust. Oh, and we used to debate, as well. LOL

Different players at the same position usually have different skill sets and at times the plays specifically designed for that player do not arise. You can't always shove a square peg into a round hole and expect it to work time after time. If the player hasn't practiced what the play caller has identified in what they believe is the best call at that time then they will not be involved.

Teddy Bridgewater explained this concept when he described coming into the game against the Rams when Brees was injured. He said he was not prepared to run the full offense. The game plan was built upon Brees' talents, not Teddy's.

Rush attempt counts, pass attempt counts, whatever, do not tell the story. There is SO much more that has to do with the flow of play calling than the very smartest of us that sit at home and watch will ever know.

As an aside, much of this input comes from my late father-in-law that is in the LHSAA Hall of Fame as a coach. I spent many an hour watching sports of all types with him and gained an understanding that isn't commonly experienced by many. He would readily point out a call that he thought was a bad choice by a coach on an individual basis, but would defend the overall play calling of a quality coach based upon game flow. Although, he put it in other terms. He taught me many of those concepts that I regularly share here.

K Major · 02-05-2020, 06:53 PM

Balance is the name of the game ..especially with a 41 year QB under center.

The playoffs are different beast entirely. Defensive lines get meaner, tougher, stronger & nasty. You have to have a mind set to destroy the man lined up (see Michael Thomas & Ramz). The Saints o line have no attitude in the trenches. Not enough dawgs, no bullies. Being flat in the playoffs and getting pushed around at home in the wild card game is embarrassing

Attitude reflects leadership. We need dawgs with a no fear mentality.

Go get another Carl Nicks type player up front with a mean streak.Otherwise it won't even matter who is running the ball for 5 carries or 15.

This team has too much talent to choke in big games.

3 consecutive years of playoff disappointment.

jeanpierre · 02-05-2020, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Balance is the name of the game ..especially with a 41 year QB under center.

The playoffs are different beast entirely. Defensive lines get meaner, tougher, stronger & nasty. You have to have a mind set to destroy the man lined up (see Michael Thomas & Ramz). The Saints o line have no attitude in the trenches. Not enough dawgs, no bullies. Being flat in the playoffs and getting pushed around at home in the wild card game is embarrassing

Attitude reflects leadership. We need dawgs with a no fear mentality.

Go get another Carl Nicks type player up front with a mean streak.Otherwise it won't even matter who is running the ball for 5 carries or 15.

This team has too much talent to choke in big games.

3 consecutive years of playoff disappointment.

02-05-2020, 09:19 AM	#11
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Latavius Murray stepped up when called upon in 2019 Originally Posted by K Major ^^^ ^^^^ Sean Payton will need to change it up offensively ... specifically in the POST SEASON. The good teams have caught on to what we do offensively. You can't go through Brees (defenses don't respect anything past 20 yards) anymore to win it all. Balance. IMO things won't change much while #9 is under center; maybe adding a real #2 WR open things up a little but you need an effective run game. Hopefully the Saints target a MOBILE QB in the draft. He doesn't have to be Lamar J but a kid who can move the chains with his feet on occasion. Vikes & Zimmers defense knew that was something they didn't have to worry about. But back on topic, L Train still had a nice season with the carries he was given in 2019. I think the L train did no worst than having mark here mater of fact a lot better I think. Wish we could have seen more. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Latavius Murray stepped up when called upon in 2019 Originally Posted by st thomas Saw buckshot brooks guess draft on Jordan Love (USU) to saints I heard chatter on the kid being a shadow of mahommes . For the love of the sport and not so knowledgeable on name that school I had to google what the heck was USU. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Could someone put this in the draft prospect tread my bad self Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Latavius Murray stepped up when called upon in 2019 Originally Posted by dizzle88 Payton often out coaches himself. He gets so worked up on exploiting mismatches and putting the ball in a 41 year old QB's hands 50 times a game, that he forgets the formula that won us 5 straight games whilst Brees was out. Run game. Just watch the Super Bowl, KC didnt have a great running game all year, but the threat of the Chiefs offense was enough to make the 9ers forget that KC had a very dependable RB in Damien Williams, he deserved the SB MVP in my opinion. Payton just acts as though the thing that won him 5 games doesnt exist when he gets to the Post Season, because ofcourse, Coach knows best.... This is true, however KC/Reid/Eric Bienemy did end up 3rd (77 total ) in terms of total rush attempts of all the teams who made it to the post season. Meanwhile the Saints only had 17 total rushing attempts, followed by the Pats (22). Both losers at home in the wild card round. Niners ran it 111 & the Titans 100 ...

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Latavius Murray stepped up when called upon in 2019 Originally Posted by K Major This is true, however KC/Reid/Eric Bienemy did end up 3rd (77 total ) in terms of total rush attempts of all the teams who made it to the post season. Meanwhile the Saints only had 17 total rushing attempts, followed by the Pats (22). Both losers at home in the wild card round. Niners ran it 111 & the Titans 100 ... Which means nothing unless every down is evaluated and every defensive alignment is evaluated. I'm sure many of you understand these concepts. NFL offensive play calls are not made in a vacuum. They are schemed upon what is felt may work the best under different circumstances against an opponent based upon their tendencies. This is called a "game plan". Part of a game plan may involve a series of scripted plays which feels out how the opponent may have adapted their tendencies. The result of these plays can quickly cause a change in approach, as can other adjustments made by the defense as the game progresses. If a defense takes away a certain subset of plays that you have designed for a specific player's skill set, you must adjust. Oh, and we used to debate, as well. LOL Different players at the same position usually have different skill sets and at times the plays specifically designed for that player do not arise. You can't always shove a square peg into a round hole and expect it to work time after time. If the player hasn't practiced what the play caller has identified in what they believe is the best call at that time then they will not be involved. Teddy Bridgewater explained this concept when he described coming into the game against the Rams when Brees was injured. He said he was not prepared to run the full offense. The game plan was built upon Brees' talents, not Teddy's. Rush attempt counts, pass attempt counts, whatever, do not tell the story. There is SO much more that has to do with the flow of play calling than the very smartest of us that sit at home and watch will ever know. As an aside, much of this input comes from my late father-in-law that is in the LHSAA Hall of Fame as a coach. I spent many an hour watching sports of all types with him and gained an understanding that isn't commonly experienced by many. He would readily point out a call that he thought was a bad choice by a coach on an individual basis, but would defend the overall play calling of a quality coach based upon game flow. Although, he put it in other terms. He taught me many of those concepts that I regularly share here. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Latavius Murray stepped up when called upon in 2019 Balance is the name of the game ..especially with a 41 year QB under center. The playoffs are different beast entirely. Defensive lines get meaner, tougher, stronger & nasty. You have to have a mind set to destroy the man lined up (see Michael Thomas & Ramz). The Saints o line have no attitude in the trenches. Not enough dawgs, no bullies. Being flat in the playoffs and getting pushed around at home in the wild card game is embarrassing Attitude reflects leadership. We need dawgs with a no fear mentality. Go get another Carl Nicks type player up front with a mean streak.Otherwise it won't even matter who is running the ball for 5 carries or 15. This team has too much talent to choke in big games. 3 consecutive years of playoff disappointment. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and st thomas like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Latavius Murray stepped up when called upon in 2019 Originally Posted by K Major Balance is the name of the game ..especially with a 41 year QB under center. The playoffs are different beast entirely. Defensive lines get meaner, tougher, stronger & nasty. You have to have a mind set to destroy the man lined up (see Michael Thomas & Ramz). The Saints o line have no attitude in the trenches. Not enough dawgs, no bullies. Being flat in the playoffs and getting pushed around at home in the wild card game is embarrassing Attitude reflects leadership. We need dawgs with a no fear mentality. Go get another Carl Nicks type player up front with a mean streak.Otherwise it won't even matter who is running the ball for 5 carries or 15. This team has too much talent to choke in big games. 3 consecutive years of playoff disappointment.

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