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AsylumGuido 02-19-2020 03:02 PM

Forecast: Drew Brees’ return is really good news, here’s why
 
Forecast: Drew Brees’ return is really good news, here’s why

Drew Brees continuing to play quarterback for the New Orleans Saints means our 2020 fall is more than likely to be very fun and interesting.

Author: Ralph Malbrough / Contributing Writer
Published: 9:42 AM CST February 19, 2020
Updated: 10:22 AM CST February 19, 2020

NEW ORLEANS — The most amazing thing about 41-year-old Drew Brees announcing he was going to play a 20th season in the NFL and 14th with the New Orleans Saints was how unremarkable it all felt.

The entire sports world seemed to shrug and say, “Of course Brees was coming back,” and then 10 minutes later moved on to the Houston Astros cheating scandal or back to looking at Tom Brady's Instagram for hidden messages to try and guess where Tom will play in 2020.

Drew Brees is about to become just the sixth player to throw 30 passes in a game at 41 or older. By the way, only Tom Brady has done it more than seven times. Drew Brees has been so extraordinary the last 14 years in New Orleans I wonder if a portion of Saints fans clamoring for Taysom Hill to be the Saints full time quarterback is a product of watching Brees be so good for so long we've forgotten just how hard great quarterbacking is.

There are Saints fans graduating college whose entire experience of a non-Drew Brees Saints quarterbacking is watching Teddy Bridgewater go 5-0 in 2019.

Since Drew Brees arrived in 2006, Saints fandom -- more than the valleys, the losses, and disappointments -- has been filled with hope, the hope that our grandest football dreams are possible.

I never feel older than when I'm arguing with some 25-year-old on Twitter telling me the Saints need to move on from Drew Brees because they can't win in the playoffs because Drew can't throw downfield and Taysom Hill is the future and they just want to move on to something else. Like what? Less winning?

My friend Bradley Warshauer from Black and Gold Review has the perfect explanation of Saints fans “2018 has driven us mad. Now, the longer we stay close to the Super Bowl without getting in, the crazier we're all going to get.”

Read the rest here ...

The Dude 02-19-2020 04:30 PM

Re: Forecast: Drew Brees’ return is really good news, here’s why
 
Did anyone seriously think it’s not good news? Hell did anyone honestly think he wasn’t coming back?
Look I know the situation and yes it could be time to move on but there is no one out there this year that would be a better choice for our future. We are better off waiting it out to see how our draft situation works out in the next couple years. Anyone else out there would be a big reach including TB and Hill.

If there was a Qb out there that is truly attainable and could be our franchise guy then I would say it’s time to move on. That isn’t the case.
This is the best option for now and our future.

How and the hell is this a forecast? More like an opinion.

neugey 02-19-2020 04:36 PM

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Play or retire, I would have supported Brees either way. He's earned the respect.

AsylumGuido 02-19-2020 04:39 PM

Re: Forecast: Drew Brees’ return is really good news, here’s why
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 880279)
Did anyone seriously think it’s not good news? Hell did anyone honestly think he wasn’t coming back?
Look I know the situation and yes it could be time to move on but there is no one out there this year that would be a better choice for our future. We are better off waiting it out to see how our draft situation works out in the next couple years. Anyone else out there would be a big reach including TB and Hill.

If there was a Qb out there that is truly attainable and could be our franchise guy then I would say it’s time to move on. That isn’t the case.
This is the best option for now and our future.

How and the hell is this a forecast? More like an opinion.

Once again, media hyperbole in a headline.

CHA_CHING 02-19-2020 05:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 880279)
If there was a Qb out there that is truly attainable and could be our franchise guy then I would say it’s time to move on. That isn’t the case.
This is the best option for now and our future.

We went 5-0 with a 26 year old Teddy Bridgewater.

I'm keeping my expectations low after the last 3 playoff exits. We know how this is going to end.

AsylumGuido 02-19-2020 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CHA_CHING (Post 880283)
We went 5-0 with a 26 year old Teddy Bridgewater.

I'm keeping my expectations low after the last 3 playoff exits. We know how this is going to end.

We went 5-0 with our defense at its healthiest and the whole team playing for Brees. Bridgewater did a commendable job of treading water through that stretch with the help of Payton. I have no doubt your expectations are low. Yet, you do not have any idea of how THIS is going to end.

Sorry, Carnac, but YOU are not WE.

:dunce:

saintsfan1976 02-19-2020 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING (Post 880283)
We went 5-0 with a 26 year old Teddy Bridgewater.

I'm keeping my expectations low after the last 3 playoff exits. We know how this is going to end.

Bruh. Cmon.... You could see the impact of losing Davenport, Rankins, Apple and eventually Lattimore.

You thought we were "all in" the last couple years? Just wait. Loomis is about to go so far in he'll be out the other side! :bng:

WW_Who_Dat 02-19-2020 08:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING (Post 880283)
We went 5-0 with a 26 year old Teddy Bridgewater.

I'm keeping my expectations low after the last 3 playoff exits. We know how this is going to end.

We be pleased with Brees coming back ...Follow TB to Tampa Miami Carolina Chicago Detroit San Diego Raiders Cincinnati should be an interesting ride. Wish Teddy nothing but the best but he was never going to be the next QB for the Saints.

The Dude 02-19-2020 10:48 PM

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I don’t get the love for Teddys play. I get the love for Teddy, great story, great guy, humble, and the ultimate team player.
The fact of the matter is he didn’t really do squat. “He” didn’t win anything, as stated above elite play from a healthy defense along with a good running game and ball control won 5 games. Brees on the other hand has single handily won games numerous times when our defense was dead last in just about every category.
Our defense was absolutely sick the first 1/4 season. I can’t remember a year when we got hit so hard with the injury bug.
Teddy may wind up being a decent Qb with the right team around him in the right system but he will never be elite.
I don’t see Teddy as the type of guy who will go out and win you games when you are down by two scores early. If Teddy had to play the full season I have my doubts we would have won another game.

skymike 02-20-2020 06:12 AM

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DUH.
Getting the best QB in Football back is a good thing.

sorry for those of you wanting a single digit'ed jersey RB.

SaintFanInATLHELL 02-20-2020 09:11 AM

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I have three words for anyone thinking that moving on from Brees is a good idea:

Billy Joe Tolliver

Let's just remember that QBing at the levels we've seen the last 15 years is going to be difficult to recreate once Brees moves on.


SFIAH

73Saint 02-20-2020 09:59 AM

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Brees has played nearly half of his life in the NFL. That's just nuts in and of itself.

ScottF 02-20-2020 10:23 AM

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The NFL needs to adopt the European football rule on loaning.
We could loan TB out in 2020 and bring him back later

gulfgambler 02-20-2020 10:25 AM

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Only took 40 years to get a "franchise" QB. If he says he can still play
at the level he's been playing, then I'm all in for another year!!!!!!

AsylumGuido 02-20-2020 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 880315)
I have three words for anyone thinking that moving on from Brees is a good idea:

Billy Joe Tolliver

Let's just remember that QBing at the levels we've seen the last 15 years is going to be difficult to recreate once Brees moves on.


SFIAH

Speaking of Billy Joe Tolliver, he's a real cool guy. I met him and got to speak with him on several occasions when he was QB of the CFL Shreveport Pirates back in 1995. I was Admiral of the Pirates Armada (ie. president of the active fan club) and first met him at the very first practice. He spotted my son on the sideline and came over and asked him how he was doing and asked him if he was wearing sunscreen. He said that, "us redheads have got to watch out for this sun out here." My boy got a kick out of that.

I was actually excited when he signed with the Saints in 1998. But, he certainly wasn't a Drew Brees and there have only been a few at Drew Brees' level in the entire history of the NFL. It is entirely plausible that we never get to see another QB of Brees' caliber play for the Saints again. Let that sink in people.

RaginCajun83 02-20-2020 01:09 PM

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If/when he retires, I’m just happy I got to see the greatest time period in Saints history with one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game

rezburna 02-20-2020 01:21 PM

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The history of the Saints clouds the judgement of the fans. Only one 40 year old quarterback has won a Super Bowl. The future is now. Even I’m starting to come around on the idea of Tua. This dance is almost over.

jeanpierre 02-20-2020 01:48 PM

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jeanpierre 02-20-2020 01:56 PM

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Agree that Brees energy level can be sporadic at his age, but when he's full-strength, he's still the best passer in the game...

But that's on Sean Payton to manage that better; it's a team effort and Payton's got to do his part as well...

There's absolutely no way I'm taking Tua and that hip in Round 1; while medicine has lept forward exponentially from the Bo Jackson era, there's still some of the same degrading, degenerative arthritic issues there...

jeanpierre 02-20-2020 01:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 880340)
If/when he retires, I’m just happy I got to see the greatest time period in Saints history with one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game

Until just a few years ago, had about 50 VHS tapes of Larry Bird games recorded, even five of the rival Lakers; none of these teams today could shoot, pass, nor defend with those Lakers-Celtics teams - no way...

K Major 02-20-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 880341)
The history of the Saints clouds the judgement of the fans. Only one 40 year old quarterback has won a Super Bowl. The future is now. Even I’m starting to come around on the idea of Tua. This dance is almost over.

The window isn't closed but it's dark as hell outside.

Papa Voodoo 02-20-2020 03:59 PM

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At worst Taysom starts at 32 years old.

vpheughan 02-20-2020 04:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880345)
Until just a few years ago, had about 50 VHS tapes of Larry Bird games recorded, even five of the rival Lakers; none of these teams today could shoot, pass, nor defend with those Lakers-Celtics teams - no way...

Mende Rudolf and Earl Strom would have a field day with current "NBA Players"

gulfgambler 02-20-2020 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880343)

That's Bullsh!t !!!

Rsanders24 02-20-2020 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 880297)
I don’t get the love for Teddys play. I get the love for Teddy, great story, great guy, humble, and the ultimate team player.
The fact of the matter is he didn’t really do squat. “He” didn’t win anything, as stated above elite play from a healthy defense along with a good running game and ball control won 5 games. Brees on the other hand has single handily won games numerous times when our defense was dead last in just about every category.
Our defense was absolutely sick the first 1/4 season. I can’t remember a year when we got hit so hard with the injury bug.
Teddy may wind up being a decent Qb with the right team around him in the right system but he will never be elite.
I don’t see Teddy as the type of guy who will go out and win you games when you are down by two scores early. If Teddy had to play the full season I have my doubts we would have won another game.

Might be decent? Might not have won another game? I damn near take that as an insult. In a conservative offense in Minnesota he did what they asked him to do. Some of yall act like his numbers were trash and he did absolutely nothing to help the team win those games but it makes sense because half of y'all were ready to make Tayson a full time starting QB.

Payton wanted TB on his team because he knows he a good QB. Is he Brees? No, but with the right coaches and offense he can get the job done. I don't know whatelse he has to do to show people that he's a good QB. You dont pay 7.5M for an backup unless you think he can start and give you an above average performance. Dude had 9 TDs and 2 Ints in 5 games with a QB rating of 100. Yall act like he had no part of winning those games.

I'm good with Brees coming back but I'm not good with how yall a treating Teddy B. Be careful what you say and wish for.

The Dude 02-20-2020 06:44 PM

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I’m betting Luck comes back in 2021. It’s not like keeping Brees will ruin our chances of ever getting a franchise Qb. There are tons of possibilities.
Teams will move on from the Tannahills and Trubiakies of the world and one or two of them are bound to flourish in a different system.
As long as Payton has anything to do with developing our next Qb we will be fine.

iceshack149 02-20-2020 08:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 880315)
I have three words for anyone thinking that moving on from Brees is a good idea:

Billy Joe Tolliver

Let's just remember that QBing at the levels we've seen the last 15 years is going to be difficult to recreate once Brees moves on.


SFIAH

I just brought up the Billy Joe years in another thread. I loathed those guys.

halloween 65 02-21-2020 07:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 880371)
I’m betting Luck comes back in 2021. It’s not like keeping Brees will ruin our chances of ever getting a franchise Qb. There are tons of possibilities.
Teams will move on from the Tannahills and Trubiakies of the world and one or two of them are bound to flourish in a different system.
As long as Payton has anything to do with developing our next Qb we will be fine.

So as to my knowledge Payton has not developed not 1 single qb. since he has been here. He got lucky with Brees and so far that's it,and Brees was already a vet. Payton hasn't even developed a backup unless you consider Hill as a backup. Reid and McCarthy have a better track record than Payton at developing rookie qb's. I might rethink that about the development part, he might get lucky with a vet, or could it be Hill?

K Major 02-21-2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 880386)
Reid and McCarthy have a better track record than Payton at developing rookie qb's. I might rethink that about the development part, he might get lucky with a vet, or could it be Hill?

IMO Taysom Hill is not that guy. You hear all of the talk "the next Steve Young is already in the building" .. what 2 years now? If he was in the building, why didn't he start over 2 Glove Teddy during that stretch when #9 was out?

My hope is that we draft a QB in April. The time is NOW to draft the heir apparent to Brees. Is it Jalen Hurts? Jordan Love? Justin Herbert? Montez?

blackangold 02-21-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 880285)
We went 5-0 with our defense at its healthiest and the whole team playing for Brees. Bridgewater did a commendable job of treading water through that stretch with the help of Payton. I have no doubt your expectations are low. Yet, you do not have any idea of how THIS is going to end.

Sorry, Carnac, but YOU are not WE.

:dunce:

You can take YOUR sentiment here and apply it to YOUR point of view as well.

WE all have opinions.

How do YOU know our D was it's healthiest at that time? How do YOU know the whole team was playing for Brees?

AsylumGuido 02-21-2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 880436)
You can take YOUR sentiment here and apply it to YOUR point of view as well.

WE all have opinions.

How do YOU know our D was it's healthiest at that time? How do YOU know the whole team was playing for Brees?

The defense was at its healthiest because fewer players were out due to injury and/or illness as in other parts of the season. By definition that would place it at its healthiest, right? And I know the team was playing for Brees because players were quoted as saying so. Quite simple. That's not even opinion.

blackangold 02-21-2020 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 880437)
The defense was at its healthiest because fewer players were out due to injury and/or illness as in other parts of the season. By definition that would place it at its healthiest, right? And I know the team was playing for Brees because players were quoted as saying so. Quite simple. That's not even opinion.

Lol

So you think guys don’t play banged up, maybe they are more banged up or less, no one knows but the coaches and players.

And let me get this right, players played harder/better because Drew was out? So, by that logic they play lazy and worse when Brees plays?

Some advice, don’t take everything someone says at face value.

To be clear, I am not attacking YOUR opinion. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy you display when you condemn other posters for convoluting facts with opinions, which you commonly do.

AsylumGuido 02-21-2020 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 880441)
Lol

So you think guys don’t play banged up, maybe they are more banged up or less, no one knows but the coaches and players.

And let me get this right, players played harder/better because Drew was out? So, by that logic they play lazy and worse when Brees plays?

Some advice, don’t take everything someone says at face value.

To be clear, I am not attacking YOUR opinion. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy you display when you condemn other posters for convoluting facts with opinions, which you commonly do.

Of course players are banged up throughout the season. But, outside of that five game stretch the defense lost first round picks Davenport and Rankins. The offensive line (and likely other players) battled the flu during the week coming into the first Atlanta game. That's what I am talking about.

And, I am sure I am not the only one that could see the intensity at which the team played while Brees was out. Is it right that the intensity wasn't there for the entire season? No, of course not. But it was mentioned by many here pointing out how hard the team was playing.

These are just facts that support the more popular opinion around here that the team didn't go 5-0 because of Bridgewater. They went 5-0 with Bridgewater. I understand that you feel Bridgewater is worthy of being a long term starter for this team. We'll find out what the rest of the league thinks when he hits the open market and what he can truly do if he gets a starting job somewhere ... and that isn't a given.

rezburna 02-21-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880388)
IMO Taysom Hill is not that guy. You hear all of the talk "the next Steve Young is already in the building" .. what 2 years now? If he was in the building, why didn't he start over 2 Glove Teddy during that stretch when #9 was out?

My hope is that we draft a QB in April. The time is NOW to draft the heir apparent to Brees. Is it Jalen Hurts? Jordan Love? Justin Herbert? Montez?

I want Hurts even though I’m not sure he’s the answer. And like I said, I’m warming up to Tua. I just know we need to address the position now.

K Major 02-21-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 880448)
I want Hurts even though I’m not sure he’s the answer. And like I said, I’m warming up to Tua. I just know we need to address the position now.

I believe the QB position will get addressed early in the draft. Hurts body of work at the highest college level speaks for itself. Are we patient enough to "develop" him though? To be continued ...

As for Tua ... assuming his medical checks out ok and he has an impressive Pro Day, I think he's gone top 15.

I'm keeping an eye on Jordan Love as a potential Saints pick.

blackangold 02-21-2020 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880451)
I believe the QB position will get addressed early in the draft. Hurts body of work at the highest college level speaks for itself. Are we patient enough to "develop" him though? To be continued ...

As for Tua ... assuming his medical checks out ok and he has an impressive Pro Day, I think he's gone top 15.

I'm keeping an eye on Jordan Love as a potential Saints pick.

Yeah...

When I saw some mock drafts throwing a QB our way I thought that was ridiculous, but the more I ponder it, even with Hill there he is already 32. Hill might only last 3 years with how he plays. A QB late or early next year might be likely.

AsylumGuido 02-21-2020 01:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880451)
I believe the QB position will get addressed early in the draft. Hurts body of work at the highest college level speaks for itself. Are we patient enough to "develop" him though? To be continued ...

As for Tua ... assuming his medical checks out ok and he has an impressive Pro Day, I think he's gone top 15.

I'm keeping an eye on Jordan Love as a potential Saints pick.

I've heard that Love isn't a plug and play type talent right now. Supposedly some think he has a high upside, but is still very raw and because of that a risk as a first rounder. If he to fall to the second round I could see the value, but I would rather see someone in the first round that could help immediately.

WillMacKenzie 02-21-2020 01:36 PM

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Wouldn’t mind seeing some healthy WR talent in the mix as well. CGM taking the beating for Drew right now

K Major 02-21-2020 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 880454)
Wouldn’t mind seeing some healthy WR talent in the mix as well. CGM taking the beating for Drew right now

I honestly can't remember the last time the Saints WR core was as bad as 2019 season.

Michael had little to no help. It was good to see Jared step up down the stretch @ TE though.

Carr, Ginn Jr, Tre ... were extremely disappointing.

vpheughan 02-21-2020 07:50 PM

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In no particular order some of the "Top Rated QB Prospects" from the 2015 NFL draft

Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Brett Hundley, (Bryce Petty was mentioned a few times on this board), Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion, Blake Sims, Shane Carden and Paxton Lynch another name that was thrown around in connection with the Saints.


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