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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Reason why I point this out, recognizing many similarities, in so far as the player position rankings, to the 2011 NFL Draft when we took Cam Jordan at No. 24... Epenesa reminds me of Cam Jordan ...

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Old 03-13-2020, 09:05 AM   #41
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Reason why I point this out, recognizing many similarities, in so far as the player position rankings, to the 2011 NFL Draft when we took Cam Jordan at No. 24...

Epenesa reminds me of Cam Jordan is measurables, playing style, et cetera...
Last thing on the DE situation ...

Davenport has yet to prove (2 seasons and counting) he can stay healthy. Love his ability to set the edge (when healthy), speed and talent to get in the backfield but he was watching his team in street clothes when we needed him the most - see Vikings wild card game.

Cam J needs help coming off the edge.

Signing a mid/lower tier DE (think Okafor) in Free Agency would help our depth & rotation.
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Old 03-13-2020, 10:20 AM   #42
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Last thing on the DE situation ...

Davenport has yet to prove (2 seasons and counting) he can stay healthy. Love his ability to set the edge (when healthy), speed and talent to get in the backfield but he was watching his team in street clothes when we needed him the most - see Vikings wild card game.

Cam J needs help coming off the edge.

Signing a mid/lower tier DE (think Okafor) in Free Agency would help our depth & rotation.
i would like robert quinn i knew we were interested before he went to dallas
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Old 03-14-2020, 03:10 AM   #43
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i would like robert quinn i knew we were interested before he went to dallas
To me, there are two general types of defensive linemen, big and strong who controlling the line of scrimmage versus quick and fast, disrupters who penetrate and attack the ball carriers before the play can set up...

The former group of big, strong tend to have longer careers than the latter speed guys mainly due to age plus wear & tear; my concern with Quinn is that he'll be 30 this season...

Epenesa is very much like the big and strong type of lineman that Cam Jordan is and that's why I'm seeing in rankings and mocks there's a chance he could fall to us which presents an intriguing situation...

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Last thing on the DE situation ...

Davenport has yet to prove (2 seasons and counting) he can stay healthy. Love his ability to set the edge (when healthy), speed and talent to get in the backfield but he was watching his team in street clothes when we needed him the most - see Vikings wild card game.

Cam J needs help coming off the edge.

Signing a mid/lower tier DE (think Okafor) in Free Agency would help our depth & rotation.
Under 30yo Defensive Ends:

Dante Fowler and Bud Dupree have been disappointing until 2019 when each had 11.5 sacks last year; so did they figure things out or contract year performers? Both likely are unaffordable, too big a risk...

Carl Nassib has had at least 6.0 sacks in his two seasons with Tampa Bay and is comparable in build to Davenport, and we currently have this performer in Hendrickson...

Emmanuel Ogbah had 5.0 sacks in ten games for the Chiefs, but has been unable to be available, so is signing a guy who likely won't be around in the playoffs really productive?

Then there's the curious case of 49ers FA Ronald Blair who's had some success in limited reps on a talented 49ers defensive line. Is the success due to surrounding talent (Bama effect) or is there value?
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Old 03-15-2020, 04:26 AM   #46
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2020 New Orleans Saints – Free Agency Eve (maybe )

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 – Drew Brees, 7 - Taysom Hill (RFA 2020)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 44 - Taquan Mizzel

FB (1) 30 - Ricky Ortiz

WR-X (4) 13 - Michael Thomas, 18 - Keith Kirkwood (ERFA 2020), 17 - Emmanuel Butler (RFC 2020), 15 - Maurice Harris (RFC 2020)

WR-S (3) 81 - Krishawn Hogan, 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey, 80 - Austin Carr (RFA - 2020)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge

LG (2) 62 - Nick Easton, 68 - Derrick Kelly (RFC 2020)

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 63 - Cameron Tom (RFA 2020)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 64 - Will Clapp

RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk

TE (5) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 86 - Jason Vander Laan, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 85 - Cole Wick (RFC 2020)

WR-Z (4) 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Tim White (RFC 2020), 16 - TommyLee Lewis (RFC 2020)


DEFENSE

RDE (3) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 97 - Mario Edwards

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown, 95 - Taylor Stallworth

DT3 (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 99 - Shy Tuttle, 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2020)

LDE (3) 94 - Cam Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 77 - Mitchell Loewen (RFC 2020)

RLB (4) 56 - DeMario Davis, 54 - Chase Hansen, 51 - Colton Jumper (ERFA 2020), 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2020)

MLB (4) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 54 - Kiko Alonso, 52 - Craig Robertson, 55 - Kaden Elliss

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (RFA 2020)

NCB (1) 21 - Patrick Robinson

FS (3) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 48 - J.T. Gray (ERFA 2020), 33 - Saquan Hampton

SS (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 31 - Chris Johnson (2020 RFA 2020)

LCB (1) 20 - Janoris Jenkins


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (RFA 2020)

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris, 44 - Taquan Mizzel


90-man Roster Count - Total: 62; Offense: 31; Defense: 28; Kicking: 3

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2020)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2020)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2020)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2020)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2020 New Orleans Saints – Free Agency Early Tampering

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 – Drew Brees, 7 - Taysom Hill (RFA 2020/Tendered First Round)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 44 - Taquan Mizzel

FB (1) 30 - Ricky Ortiz

WR-X (4) 13 - Michael Thomas, 18 - Keith Kirkwood (ERFA 2020), 17 - Emmanuel Butler (RFC 2020), 15 - Maurice Harris (RFC 2020)

WR-S (3) 81 - Krishawn Hogan, 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey, 80 - Austin Carr (RFA - 2020)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge

LG (2) 62 - Nick Easton, 68 - Derrick Kelly (RFC 2020)

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 63 - Cameron Tom (RFA 2020)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 64 - Will Clapp

RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk

TE (5) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 86 - Jason Vander Laan, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 85 - Cole Wick (RFC 2020)

WR-Z (4) 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Tim White (RFC 2020), 16 - TommyLee Lewis (RFC 2020)


DEFENSE

RDE (3) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 97 - Mario Edwards

NT (3) 90 - Malcolm Brown, 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Taylor Stallworth

DT3 (3) 93 - David Onyemata (FA 2020), 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2020)

LDE (3) 94 - Cam Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 77 - Mitchell Loewen (RFC 2020)

RLB (4) 56 - DeMario Davis, 54 - Chase Hansen, 51 - Colton Jumper (ERFA 2020), 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2020)

MLB (4) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 54 - Kiko Alonso, 52 - Craig Robertson, 55 - Kaden Elliss

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (RFA 2020)

NCB (1) 21 - Patrick Robinson

FS (3) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 48 - J.T. Gray (ERFA 2020), 33 - Saquan Hampton

SS (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 31 - Chris Johnson (2020 RFA 2020)

LCB (1) 20 - Janoris Jenkins


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (RFA 2020)

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris, 44 - Taquan Mizzel


90-man Roster Count - Total: 63; Offense: 31; Defense: 29; Kicking: 3

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2020)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2020)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2020)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2020)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

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I think we are good on the D line (interior) but outside of Cam J & Davenport, we need to add another rotational DE who hates QB's .
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RLB (4) 56 - DeMario Davis, 54 - Chase Hansen, 51 - Colton Jumper (ERFA 2020), 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2020)

MLB (4) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 54 - Kiko Alonso, 52 - Craig Robertson, 55 - Kaden Elliss

DD and Robertson are the only guys we can count on (health) at LB on Sundays.

If Patrick Queen (LSU - LB) slides down the draft board, would you?
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:34 PM   #50
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RLB (4) 56 - DeMario Davis, 54 - Chase Hansen, 51 - Colton Jumper (ERFA 2020), 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2020)

MLB (4) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 54 - Kiko Alonso, 52 - Craig Robertson, 55 - Kaden Elliss

DD and Robertson are the only guys we can count on (health) at LB on Sundays.

If Patrick Queen (LSU - LB) slides down the draft board, would you?
Just mentioned this in FA thread re: Re-Working Kiko's Contract, we had three (3) LBers on the field for less than a 1/3 of our defensive snaps; now we do rotate them to keep 'em fresh, but the game has changed...

Love Queen and I like Murray, but the premium positions in this league right now is QBs, CBs, WRX, DEs, and I believe you're right that we need that third DE or CB2 a helluva lot more than a LBer...

I'd rather not risk a Day 1 or early Day 2 pick on a LBer (Simmons would be the exception), but have plenty of late Day 2 and Day 3 picks to try to find those quick former SS converted to LBer types...
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