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As we are approaching 500k deaths in the US, I want to bring this back up and curse the IHME and cebm for poor data which misled people. For the people that seemed stuck on how the virus would only kill 60-80k people, I hope you now realize you were wrong. I said somewhere between 800k and 1.6 milion which looks like a pretty valid estimate at this point. I said I would bring this thread back up, and here I am. Early IFR estimates were subject to so much scientific bias, and people just sucked them up like they were fact.

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I don’t trust any of the data reported about COVID. It’s been manipulated for political purposes too often. I honestly don’t think the true number of strictly COVID deaths in the country will ever by known (or at least publicly revealed).

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It's the number one killer in America. Think about that for a minute! Or don't if you disagree and just don't care. That sounds harsh I know but it is the country we live in. Believe it or not Thousands of people are dying from it every day.

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I’m all fairness Rugby you missed my point.

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Fixed it for you. First of all I'm not one of those in the "hoax camp" whatsoever. Most of our personal acquaintances are connected to the medical field and I am fully aware of the seriousness of COVID-19. But, I know of three people personally who were terminally ill already that died after contracting COVID. One recovered completely but died shortly after from the cancer. He was among the numbers counted as a COVID death. On the other hand, I am aware of completely healthy individuals that have contracted the disease and passed away directly from the result.

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Amen my brother! Amen.

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I sure did. Didn't I? My bad! OK. Yes, I see a 2020 season happening where we get the short end of the stick but still have a strong enough team to make it to the playoffs. Back on topic. :wink:

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I do agree with this, I think it works the other way as well though(people dying without having been tested and not being counted). It's a well known fact that NY was highly underreported and I'm sure it's happened in other places. So why the true number of deaths caused by it are probably a tad bit lower, I still say the true number of death actually caused by it are at the very least over 350k(probably higher). We'll be dealing with this for a while. The new variants scare the hell out of me. At first though you were getting a lot of bad science. They would take antibody studies by getting people from facebook ads or grocery stores and use that to determine the IFR. I've been in the science field for a while, and I've seen some of the worst science in my life in the last year. I said at the beginning 800k to 1`.6 million. The actual deaths may be a tad lower than that in the end but I still think we'll get close to that range. I just find it ridiculous that people were actually believing that only 60-80k were going to die, that's why I revived this thread. The best studies I've seen have put the IFR in the .7%-.9% range. IFR though is really a false category and is dependent on so many variables. For example, it's obvious that African Americans die(which is incredibly sad and unfortunate) at a much higher rate regardless of comorbidities. It'll probably all come back to how Ace2 receptors impact each race or groups of people. You changed the from to with, but even with the correction the from is probably still correct. I mean there is an existential question to this. Also vitamin D. For example, if a person has a bad heart and contracts covid and dies of heart failure... did they die of covid or heart disease? There are arguments to be made for both, and most people in the US have some sort of comorbidity so these statistics are very complex thing to actually say either "with or from". That person with a heart problem may have lived another 15 years. What I find scary is in a lot of the people that recover(even the younger people), there seem to be some lingering issues. What if these lingering issues lead to an early death? I guess to sum it up is that we are dealing with something serious, and a lot of people just kind of flicked the issue off like it was an annoying fly. I'd advise everyone to take a vitamin D3/K2 combo and NAC as I think both of these affect outcomes significantly.

I'm glad that they got the season finished, but the season was incredibly odd. I mean you had a couple of games where the team didn't have a QB or was down to their last QB. Records were definitely affected. It was hard to take this season seriously for me cause teams couldn't prepare like they normally could.

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Well, on the bright side the poor people are dying at a higher rate so we save money caring for them long term until their death. Believe it or not there are plenty of politicians and people who feel this way. They may go to church but they aren't going to heaven!

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We've finally hit 800k deaths which puts it into the 800k-1.6 million range that I suggested at the beginning of this. I still think many more people are going to die and people need to get their vaccines and boosters. One of the biggest consequences of not getting vaccinated isn't a personal but it is just another chance for the virus to mutate. When the virus saturates the globe you are going to eventually get variants that get around the vaccine to some degree. The omicron variant is scary, though vaccines will still protect you from death and severe illness at the very least. The thing that is really scary though is if the omicron variant actually has it's own mutations and things branch out of it. The more and more different the spike protein becomes the more and more our antibodies will not be able to latch onto the virus and neutralize it. If the omicron variant has further mutations we can start to have some serious problems.

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Oy vey....
:deadhorse2:

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Lol. Humanity is doomed. There will be a new variant every year for the government to scare everyone with and further divide a once great nation.

Have fun for the rest of your lives complaining and blaming others for a sickness that everyone will eventually get more than once regardless of vaccination status.

For everyone that has had it and gotten sick or has had it and died, there are thousands that have had it and been fine.

By all means, crucify those who won't conform. I'm sure your opinion and way of life is much more important than those you're angry at.

All unvaccinated will burn in hell. Give me a ****ing break.

So tired of all of this BS.

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I don't believe in virus mandates and I believe everyone has the right to choose whether they want to get vaccinated or not. I've always been a libertarian, and I believe in the right to choose. That being said, I think it's quite illogical not to get the vaccine. Someone will say some **** like "you don't know what the long term effects of the vaccine are" and all I can think is that you don't know what the long term effects of the virus are either. As log as the virus continues to saturate the world, we will continue to have new variants.. covid may never go away. The vaccines have been shown to prevent death and serious illness, even with the omicron variant. Most people do not understand how antibodies work, as it'd require a large amount of mutations to render the vaccine inert. You have all these different antibodies that attach to different parts of the spike protein and they tend to swarm latch on. When you have mutations some still stick, some don't stick like they used to.. you still have some protection. This is just talking about antibodies though, there is T-Cell immunity as well. If this continues you may end up with a variant that is much more deadly than the current ones in play. It doesn't make sense to me why someone would want to risk it. Hopefully we can get to a point where the saturation amongst the population is much lower and the mutations will slow down. When you have other non human carriers it'll be hard to ever get rid of the virus completely. That doesn't mean we should make this harder than we have to.

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Blame who you want to. I blame Covid and only Covid.

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If a bullet is coming your way are you going to say I blame the bullet(shooter) and only the bullet(shooter) and not dodge it.

**** happens in life, we have to do our best to make lemons with lemonade(or some other stupid quote).



Editor's note: I know the above proverb is backwards, so stfu.

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Hitta, with all due respect, I don't agree with you. Bosty said it earlier, the deaths being attributed to Covid have been manipulated. I KNOW this.

Second man, just like the masks, the vaccines are not "proven" to do anything. They say they are, but they've given zero proof. Everyone should know that the virus itself effects everyone a little differently. So how the hell do they know how it would effect someone who is vaccinated and how it would effect that same person if not vaccinated?

I've had Covid. Twice. It barely did anything to me. I'm not vaccinated. I know it does terrible things to some people, but it barely effects others. Do you have any idea how many BILLIONS of dollars Pfizer, J&J and the others are making off this from the government?

The virus deaths have been manipulated. The virus has been used as political propaganda. The vaccination has been used as political ammunition and the media feeds it to people and scares them.

Now I'm not against people getting the vax. But Covid is here to stay. It will continue to mutate and every year there will be a different variant. It doesn't matter if 100% of American's get the stick or not.

But the vaccination DOES NOT stop a person from getting it or transmitting it. They say it lessens the likelihood of death. How the hell do they know that? Lol. People die from Covid that have been vaccinated all the time. Do you think the government wants you to know that? Of course not.

Look, everyone gets to believe what they want and have their own opinions.

I just hate that its pitting people against each other. It shouldn't. Because that's BS. And so much of this "pandemic" is being pushed while this country tears itself apart.

I respect your opinion.

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We are having a large amount of excess deaths. There isn't much of an explanation other than covid. If you look at the previous years and compare it to the covid years, the deaths far exceed the norm. There was a study done that showed that between March 2020 and Jan 2021, there were at least 522,328 excess deaths in comparison to what was estimated. There has to be something to attribute these excess deaths to.

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Life is risky. In the big scheme of things, Covid is a minor risk, certainly not worth the draconian measures we have taken.

Excess deaths could very easily be due to the effects of the Covid Tyranny. The only Covid related death on my street I know of was when a 20 year old, stuck in the house with his mother, stabbed her to death in the kitchen.

Millions delayed medical treatment. Millions stopped exercising regularly. Millions suffered from depression and other mental illnesses and went untreated, with thousands committing suicide.

The elderly, isolated in Covid prisons, just decide to die from loneliness. Covid kills without infecting because we allowed fear to rule us and, as always, there are plenty who will gladly use fear to control and manipulate the weak.

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Oh...a new virus going around eh? Okay, so everybody...I KNOW the flu kills people, and I KNOW we've never mandated masks, but we have a very precarious political situation: We HAVE to get a Liberal back in the White House. We must do WHATEVER we have to do. Biden has lots of friends in CHINA...he's made BILLIONS there...lets do something...CHINA will play...

So people wear masks they don't understand how to use, and they do so because the GOVERNMENT says they have to, indoors AND (this is so stupid) OUTSIDE too, then we tell them to huddle up in their houses with filthy masks, no fresh air, etc., to remain "safe" from this highly transmittable thing...stay home, inside, and re-breath all that nasty air. Seriously people? Ya'll don't see the dumb here?

You can believe what they're telling you, or you can look for who has the most to gain. Covid is real. Sure. So are so many other things that "go around" and we get on with our lives...but not with this one...

Please remember, if you died of ANYTHING in the last year and a half but had Covid along the way, that's what you died from...whether you believe it or not.

And now I encourage everyone to have this lovely discussion over in the political forum.

:rolleyes:

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Let’s not forget forcing school kids (a population with practically zero chance of dying from COVID) to wear masks to attend school thereby stunting their emotional and social development. Let’s not forget the “logic” of releasing tens of thousands of untested, unvaccinated illegal aliens into the population. Let’s not forget forcing nursing homes to accept COVID positive patients thereby endangering the most at-risk populations. Not not forget liberal “leaders” demanding mask mandates and business shutdowns that they themselves do not follow. Let’s not forget states getting caught red handed falsifying death statistics about COVID. Let’s not forget the head of the CDC lying to congress during testimony about COVID origins. Let’s not forget big tech censoring and closing accounts spreading “misinformation” about COVID, including the President of the country’s.

There were too many illogical, BS decisions made and lies pushed by the media and this administration. Weather it be through incompetence or through evil intent, their actions have created a situation where I do not believe a single thing they say about the virus. A prominent Democrat said it best...never let a good crisis go to waste. They have used this “crisis”
to fundamentally transform the country.

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There's a commercial on the radio pushing the vaccine on children aged 5-11 that will become future artists, teachers, astronauts because they get the shot. It's infuriating that these monsters attack people by playing on their heart strings.



okay okay... Go Saints.