USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton on Saints' need at LB: 'We've got to fill that some way, shape or form'

spkb25 · 04-24-2020, 10:45 AM

This comparison is ugly

"Zone Cover Ability: Solid zone coverage player in simple responsibilities at this time, but more will be needed from him in the league. Controlled and fluid in most of his drops, though he can get suckered in by backfield action/QB eyes and get happy feet, squaring himself to the line of scrimmage. Does not yet have good instincts for routes developing behind him and will unintentionally overlap with his teammates, exposing players in space. Struggles mightily to recover after play-action gets him into the backfield. Experience needed here.

Round Grade: Incomplete

Best Trait: Range

Worst Trait: Decision-Making

Player Comparison: Stephone Anthony

Summary: Kenneth Murray is a Day 2 linebacker prospect with a higher ceiling in a different scheme. Behind the slanting front of Alex Grinch and against complex, pulling Big 12 offenses, Murray struggled to generate a high impact play between the tackles, as he was frequently scraping and working to redirect his momentum into the backfield. Murray projects best to a 3-4 SILB or 4-3 SAM role, that allows him to play directly downhill into the trees and blow up blockers, while making strong plays into the boundary with his unique speed and length at his size. Murray is a high upside prospect if deployed correctly, and is a candidate for Year 2 starting responsibilities if he improves his zone coverage drops."

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/k...ray/W1S3OeCg1p

papz · 04-24-2020, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

They were scored on a ton, weren't they?

Just reading opinions of him. Time will tell

Oklahoma's defense year in year out is atrocious. That however isn't a good representation of Murray. Bad teams can produce good players. He really stand outs of the football field and I love his backstory. I think San Diego got a good one.

spkb25 · 04-24-2020, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Oklahoma's defense year in year out is atrocious. That however isn't a good representation of Murray. Bad teams can produce good players. He really stand outs of the football field and I love his backstory. I think San Diego got a good one.

Being honest I haven't watched him much to offer an informed opinion. His back story does make you root for him.

RefsRobbedUs · 04-24-2020, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

This comparison is ugly

"Zone Cover Ability: Solid zone coverage player in simple responsibilities at this time, but more will be needed from him in the league. Controlled and fluid in most of his drops, though he can get suckered in by backfield action/QB eyes and get happy feet, squaring himself to the line of scrimmage. Does not yet have good instincts for routes developing behind him and will unintentionally overlap with his teammates, exposing players in space. Struggles mightily to recover after play-action gets him into the backfield. Experience needed here.

Round Grade: Incomplete

Best Trait: Range

Worst Trait: Decision-Making

Player Comparison: Stephone Anthony

Summary: Kenneth Murray is a Day 2 linebacker prospect with a higher ceiling in a different scheme. Behind the slanting front of Alex Grinch and against complex, pulling Big 12 offenses, Murray struggled to generate a high impact play between the tackles, as he was frequently scraping and working to redirect his momentum into the backfield. Murray projects best to a 3-4 SILB or 4-3 SAM role, that allows him to play directly downhill into the trees and blow up blockers, while making strong plays into the boundary with his unique speed and length at his size. Murray is a high upside prospect if deployed correctly, and is a candidate for Year 2 starting responsibilities if he improves his zone coverage drops."

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/k...ray/W1S3OeCg1p

i was about to say sounds like stephone anthony then i scrolled down

Rugby Saint II · 04-28-2020, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs

i was about to say sounds like stephone anthony then i scrolled down

God! I hope not! Anthony was here for a 3-4 defense I believe and was a huge bust in the 4-3. I don't think that he's that smart either and that could explain his gaffes.

K Major · 04-28-2020, 11:43 AM

What I like about Baun's tape is that he doesn't miss a lot of open field tackles and also excels as a pass rusher.

If he stays healthy, he helps us tremendously at linebacker.

Good middle round draft pick.

04-24-2020, 10:45 AM	#11
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton on Saints' need at LB: 'We've got to fill that some way, shape or form' This comparison is ugly "Zone Cover Ability: Solid zone coverage player in simple responsibilities at this time, but more will be needed from him in the league. Controlled and fluid in most of his drops, though he can get suckered in by backfield action/QB eyes and get happy feet, squaring himself to the line of scrimmage. Does not yet have good instincts for routes developing behind him and will unintentionally overlap with his teammates, exposing players in space. Struggles mightily to recover after play-action gets him into the backfield. Experience needed here. Round Grade: Incomplete Best Trait: Range Worst Trait: Decision-Making Player Comparison: Stephone Anthony Summary: Kenneth Murray is a Day 2 linebacker prospect with a higher ceiling in a different scheme. Behind the slanting front of Alex Grinch and against complex, pulling Big 12 offenses, Murray struggled to generate a high impact play between the tackles, as he was frequently scraping and working to redirect his momentum into the backfield. Murray projects best to a 3-4 SILB or 4-3 SAM role, that allows him to play directly downhill into the trees and blow up blockers, while making strong plays into the boundary with his unique speed and length at his size. Murray is a high upside prospect if deployed correctly, and is a candidate for Year 2 starting responsibilities if he improves his zone coverage drops." https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/k...ray/W1S3OeCg1p
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04-24-2020, 11:07 AM	#12
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton on Saints' need at LB: 'We've got to fill that some way, shape or form' Originally Posted by spkb25 They were scored on a ton, weren't they? Just reading opinions of him. Time will tell Oklahoma's defense year in year out is atrocious. That however isn't a good representation of Murray. Bad teams can produce good players. He really stand outs of the football field and I love his backstory. I think San Diego got a good one.

04-24-2020, 11:10 AM	#13
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton on Saints' need at LB: 'We've got to fill that some way, shape or form' Originally Posted by papz Oklahoma's defense year in year out is atrocious. That however isn't a good representation of Murray. Bad teams can produce good players. He really stand outs of the football field and I love his backstory. I think San Diego got a good one. Being honest I haven't watched him much to offer an informed opinion. His back story does make you root for him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-24-2020, 11:14 AM	#14
RefsRobbedUs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 659	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton on Saints' need at LB: 'We've got to fill that some way, shape or form' Originally Posted by spkb25 This comparison is ugly "Zone Cover Ability: Solid zone coverage player in simple responsibilities at this time, but more will be needed from him in the league. Controlled and fluid in most of his drops, though he can get suckered in by backfield action/QB eyes and get happy feet, squaring himself to the line of scrimmage. Does not yet have good instincts for routes developing behind him and will unintentionally overlap with his teammates, exposing players in space. Struggles mightily to recover after play-action gets him into the backfield. Experience needed here. Round Grade: Incomplete Best Trait: Range Worst Trait: Decision-Making Player Comparison: Stephone Anthony Summary: Kenneth Murray is a Day 2 linebacker prospect with a higher ceiling in a different scheme. Behind the slanting front of Alex Grinch and against complex, pulling Big 12 offenses, Murray struggled to generate a high impact play between the tackles, as he was frequently scraping and working to redirect his momentum into the backfield. Murray projects best to a 3-4 SILB or 4-3 SAM role, that allows him to play directly downhill into the trees and blow up blockers, while making strong plays into the boundary with his unique speed and length at his size. Murray is a high upside prospect if deployed correctly, and is a candidate for Year 2 starting responsibilities if he improves his zone coverage drops." https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/k...ray/W1S3OeCg1p i was about to say sounds like stephone anthony then i scrolled down
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04-28-2020, 11:06 AM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton on Saints' need at LB: 'We've got to fill that some way, shape or form' Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs i was about to say sounds like stephone anthony then i scrolled down God! I hope not! Anthony was here for a 3-4 defense I believe and was a huge bust in the 4-3. I don't think that he's that smart either and that could explain his gaffes.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Sean Payton on Saints' need at LB: 'We've got to fill that some way, shape or form' What I like about Baun's tape is that he doesn't miss a lot of open field tackles and also excels as a pass rusher. If he stays healthy, he helps us tremendously at linebacker. Good middle round draft pick.