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In Defense of Jameis Winston

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak Jamis Winston is in his 6th season, he is what he is. We may not know what that is yet. You can't change the way a person thinks and processes. I am sure some of you ...

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Old 05-28-2020, 11:19 PM   #1
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Jamis Winston is in his 6th season, he is what he is. We may not know what that is yet.

You can't change the way a person thinks and processes. I am sure some of you rolled your eyes (which proves my point )... Look at you and all around you, some people here never admit they are not correct and some do so with merely one rational reply. You cant change that. You might change their opinion on a subject but not the way they think and the way Jamis thinks or doesn't is what get him into trouble.

It takes maturation to develop reasoning and the objective understanding otherwise known as intellect. Maybe something in Jamis's life changed his process in the last year or so but that has to come from within. 26 years old is not considered within the 12-22 +/- impressionable years. It is quite possible that something happened to change Jamis into a bad decision machine (Heisman ego) and he could have come back to earth. Tampa Bay has always been a sh1tshow from the neck up and the NFL sending first round draft picks to the biggest sh1tshows in the league is in fact setting them up to fail.

Beyond that, why does Jamis Winston need a defense. New team, new season, new start..

...and btw, you cant have a gunslinger spectrum without Favre mentioned lol.

Welcome to the team Jamis. Please shut up and play.

I both agree and disagree with this post at the same time. While I don't think you can change how someone approaches the QB position, I do think you can make adjustments to how a player looks at a particular situation. For example, you can coach a player to see a particular window differently. This can be done through heavy film study and understanding how defenses work better. You can teach QB's to read defenses better. You can make a guy start to see "well this guy is here, so if he goes here, then perhaps it's not a good idea to throw there". I don't think you can change a QB's mentality, but you can change their logical processes to be a bit more efficient.
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Old 05-29-2020, 04:12 AM   #2
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I both agree and disagree with this post at the same time. While I don't think you can change how someone approaches the QB position, I do think you can make adjustments to how a player looks at a particular situation. For example, you can coach a player to see a particular window differently. This can be done through heavy film study and understanding how defenses work better. You can teach QB's to read defenses better. You can make a guy start to see "well this guy is here, so if he goes here, then perhaps it's not a good idea to throw there". I don't think you can change a QB's mentality, but you can change their logical processes to be a bit more efficient.
You cant MAKE anyone see anything, they have to be open to learning. We aren't talking about education here, we are talking about character modification... in any event the person still has to reach a point internally that they are open.

Teens and addicts: Until they reach a point in life where they are susceptible to suggestion they don't listen.

Another thing, and I learned this from a psychotherapist, you cant help a person that doesn't have the intellect or intelligence to understand what you are trying to do. (the academic way of saying you cant fix stupid).

With all of that said, in the interest of Winston only being a back up and there being no reason to discuss him... You and Burning are correct, people can be made to learn against their will.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau
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Old 05-29-2020, 12:05 PM   #3
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You cant MAKE anyone see anything, they have to be open to learning. We aren't talking about education here, we are talking about character modification... in any event the person still has to reach a point internally that they are open.

Teens and addicts: Until they reach a point in life where they are susceptible to suggestion they don't listen.

Another thing, and I learned this from a psychotherapist, you cant help a person that doesn't have the intellect or intelligence to understand what you are trying to do. (the academic way of saying you cant fix stupid).

With all of that said, in the interest of Winston only being a back up and there being no reason to discuss him... You and Burning are correct, people can be made to learn against their will.
I've never once heard anything bad about Winston in regard to working hard and trying to learn and get better. Everything I've heard about Winston is that he was one of the hardest workers on the Bucs. I think there is this misconception about him for some reason by some people that he is a slouch and doesn't give it his all. From everything I've read on him, this couldn't be further from the truth. All of the first hand stories on Winston are that he works hard, is open to learn, and does his part. Yes he is a bit of a quirky character, but that is irrelevant and shouldn't be used to develop a bias against him.
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Hope the Lasik helps.
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Old 05-28-2020, 06:57 PM   #5
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Just want the third round compensatory pick next season that way Sean Payton can trade it away and pi$$ me off again during the draft...
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"you can't fix stupid"
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