Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 890368)

You haven't had a "meaningful" conversation about any of this. You can't have a meaningful conversation about something that is based in a lie, and leads to more lies. This whole black oppression narrative is a lie. And Drew's stance was not wrong. It was his opinion, and one that I agree with. The "issue" of "systemic racism" that these players claim to be protesting is also an opinion, but one which is directly refuted by overwhelming statistics.

Where is the "conversation" about that? You, like Brees after he backpedaled, simply don't want to be vilified by the mob, and so you pretend to understand something that most people know full well to be a lie. Drew didn't just suddenly come to understand some new perspective. Anyone with the slightest common sense knows that there was a specific reason they ONLY knelt during the anthem. They were showing their disdain for America, by putting on their display during the anthem, with that big American flag waving across that field. They could have chosen ANY OTHER time to protest whatever it is they think is so racist about America. But they chose THAT time to do it. Drew knows why, I know why, you know why, everyone knows why.

It's because of the backlash that players got for their poorly timed demonstrations that they pretended then, and still do today, that it "wasn't about the flag". And now, because of the backlash Drew got, simply for answering a QUESTION honestly, he has suddenly done a 180. You know better than to believe Drew has changed his private stance. He simply changed his public stance so he'd be left alone. And guess what? Some guys still don't "forgive" Him. Read this: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/06/dre...y-nfl-reaction

Everywhere you look, people are taking shots at him, even now. I'm not going to engage in your wish for me to scour the entire twitter universe to list ever single player who came against Brees. EVERYTHING I have seen, was negative after he made his initial comments.

If you want to make a point with me, why don't you show me a lost of players who tweeted about Brees' comments, who were NOT negative? Demario Davis was the one guy who seemed to not lose his mind, but he strongly believed Drew was wrong. And he can believe that all he wants. It doesn't make him right.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 890373)

LOL! I knew it. No one is going to read your off base diatribe. Later, friend.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 890375)

It's not a diatribe. You've focused on a tiny aspect of one of my posts, literalized it to mean something other than what it was (which is classic you), ignored all other points, and taken the cowardly leftist position of these players and media.

By the way, tough guy, where was your list of the positive Brees tweets, hmmm? I thought making twitter lists was super easy and essential to the point. Aren't they?

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 890368)

You haven't had a "meaningful" conversation about any of this. You can't have a meaningful conversation about something that is based in a lie, and leads to more lies. This whole black oppression narrative is a lie. And Drew's stance was not wrong. It was his opinion, and one that I agree with. The "issue" of "systemic racism" that these players claim to be protesting is also an opinion, but one which is directly refuted by overwhelming statistics.

Where is the "conversation" about that? You, like Brees after he backpedaled, simply don't want to be vilified by the mob, and so you pretend to understand something that most people know full well to be a lie. Drew didn't just suddenly come to understand some new perspective. Anyone with the slightest common sense knows that there was a specific reason they ONLY knelt during the anthem. They were showing their disdain for America, by putting on their display during the anthem, with that big American flag waving across that field. They could have chosen ANY OTHER time to protest whatever it is they think is so racist about America. But they chose THAT time to do it. Drew knows why, I know why, you know why, everyone knows why.

It's because of the backlash that players got for their poorly timed demonstrations that they pretended then, and still do today, that it "wasn't about the flag". And now, because of the backlash Drew got, simply for answering a QUESTION honestly, he has suddenly done a 180. You know better than to believe Drew has changed his private stance. He simply changed his public stance so he'd be left alone. And guess what? Some guys still don't "forgive" Him. Read this: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/06/dre...y-nfl-reaction

Everywhere you look, people are taking shots at him, even now. I'm not going to engage in your wish for me to scour the entire twitter universe to list ever single player who came against Brees. EVERYTHING I have seen, was negative after he made his initial comments.

If you want to make a point with me, why don't you show me a list of players who tweeted about Brees' comments, who were NOT negative? Demario Davis was the one guy who seemed to not lose his mind, but he strongly believed Drew was wrong. And he can believe that all he wants. It doesn't make him right.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 890376)

First give me your majority of every NFL player that slammed Brees' since readdressed statement that you claimed.

And of course no one would come to his defense because they knew he was wrong in what he said in that context. White, black, conservative, liberal, straight, gay.

D'uh!

And I am FAR from a leftist. LOL!

By the way, still looking for that landslide of negative tweets that you claimed.

Well?

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 890390)

You are pathetically beating on a dead horse. I used a figure of every day speech, kind of like when someone says "my back is killing me". Do you ask them to explain to you how their back is LITERALLY killing them, and show the scientific study behind the great mystery of murdering backs?

The point, which I already well explained to you, is that the reaction was overwhelmingly negative, and that every tweet I've seen, every video posted, whatever, was bashing Brees. For you to pretend that is not, in fact, absolutely true, shows your bias.

Most of all, this rabbit hole you've been digging into was a tiny sidebar to the issue I've been discussing, and you've done this deliberately to avoid having to make any actual argument against my overall point. And it's why I refuse to play your worthless, time wasting game. The reaction to Drew was nothing short of universally vitriolic, league wide. Does that mean 100% of them? I imagine not. But those who may have been in his corner don't have the guts to speak up for him, any more than he had the guts to stand up for himself, in the end.

You don't have a counter claim to stand on. And everyone here knows it. So you'll just keep focusing on the exact number of how many people tweeted negatively, while not being able to produce any evidence to refute that he got buried by his peers.

You say "And of course no one would come to his defense because they knew he was wrong in what he said in that context. White, black, conservative, liberal, straight, gay.".... What? You have yet to demonstrate how he was wrong. I've already addressed that point multiple times, and I'm not going to repeat myself again. Your statement is lazy, false, and assumes a moral high ground that has no basis to exist.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 890440)

And the discussion continues....with no one changing their mind. America at it's finest.