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Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How is this nonsense? Dr. Tabbah has a reputation for enhancing hand/eye coordination in players from several sports including NFL, NBA, MLB and US Olympics. He had a similar workout for Kamara last year but he's ...

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Old 07-14-2020, 01:08 PM   #1
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How is this nonsense? Dr. Tabbah has a reputation for enhancing hand/eye coordination in players from several sports including NFL, NBA, MLB and US Olympics. He had a similar workout for Kamara last year but he's added an additional wrinkle with the ball. He has also worked with Antonio Brown.
Read: Peak by Dr. Anders Ericsson, Talent Is Overrated, Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe and a bunch more and it will explain in much better detail than I every could.

I can tell you that this training is non-sense that these trainers come up with so they can act like are actually doing something to sell the client.

Mike Boyles is another clueless guy that doesn't even know how to coach a squat properly but has been hired by all kinds of high-level athletes. I think he has now taken down his squat video from youtube because real coaches commented and pointed out how stupid it was. I do know he turned comments off on most of his videos now.

Here's another one for you that is non-sense (she is a Judo athlete):


His comments are a bunch of non-sense gibberish along with a bunch of non-sense training.
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Old 07-14-2020, 02:39 PM   #2
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Read: Peak by Dr. Anders Ericsson, Talent Is Overrated, Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe and a bunch more and it will explain in much better detail than I every could.

I can tell you that this training is non-sense that these trainers come up with so they can act like are actually doing something to sell the client.

Mike Boyles is another clueless guy that doesn't even know how to coach a squat properly but has been hired by all kinds of high-level athletes. I think he has now taken down his squat video from youtube because real coaches commented and pointed out how stupid it was. I do know he turned comments off on most of his videos now.

Here's another one for you that is non-sense (she is a Judo athlete): Speed and Power Workout for Judo With Olympian Angelica Delgado - YouTube


His comments are a bunch of non-sense gibberish along with a bunch of non-sense training.
I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation.



Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation.
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Old 07-14-2020, 07:52 PM   #3
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I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation.



Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation.
Read the books I listed from the experts who are better than me but I can tell you this gets you better at a circus job but not better at football. Lots of trainers make up this non-sense so they can get paid. Perhaps we could have him catch it with his mouth next time to really show us how it is done.
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Read the books I listed from the experts who are better than me but I can tell you this gets you better at a circus job but not better at football. Lots of trainers make up this non-sense so they can get paid. Perhaps we could have him catch it with his mouth next time to really show us how it is done.
I have no doubt that those books say what you are claiming. I was simply wondering why you have such an interest in training techniques. That's why I asked if you were a trainer or therapist. I wouldn't expect the average Joe out there to seek out books on those subjects or spend time checking out youtube videos and perusing the comments.
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I have no doubt that those books say what you are claiming. I was simply wondering why you have such an interest in training techniques. That's why I asked if you were a trainer or therapist. I wouldn't expect the average Joe out there to seek out books on those subjects or spend time checking out youtube videos and perusing the comments.
I understand.

I try to get better by even half a percent every day in everything I do - both in my job and in martial arts. The best do it this way with what is called deliberate practice which is very different from the way the average person practices. It is fascinating to me to see how people become the best in the world at things and it challenges me to get better (sometimes what the best in the world say or do is not necessarily how they got to where they are at).

So, for example, in golf most average people practice by hitting the ball on the putting green or the long range green (you can tell I don't golf). One of Tiger Woods training methods was hitting the ball from a sand trap dozens of times a day with immediate feedback - this is deliberate practice. That's a skill Tiger obviously needed and the immediate feedback on getting better at that skill made him great at hitting the ball out of a sand trap.

It is really interesting stuff.
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I understand.

I try to get better by even half a percent every day in everything I do - both in my job and in martial arts. The best do it this way with what is called deliberate practice which is very different from the way the average person practices. It is fascinating to me to see how people become the best in the world at things and it challenges me to get better (sometimes what the best in the world say or do is not necessarily how they got to where they are at).

So, for example, in golf most average people practice by hitting the ball on the putting green or the long range green (you can tell I don't golf). One of Tiger Woods training methods was hitting the ball from a sand trap dozens of times a day with immediate feedback - this is deliberate practice. That's a skill Tiger obviously needed and the immediate feedback on getting better at that skill made him great at hitting the ball out of a sand trap.

It is really interesting stuff.
While I didn't read Peak, I did read a review that spelled out the philosophy behind it. It does make sense. My excessive reading days are mostly behind me. At least deep reading. Bad cervical discs and arthritic facet joints have made extensive reading somewhat painful. I have to be more selective.
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Old 07-16-2020, 11:40 AM   #7
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While I didn't read Peak, I did read a review that spelled out the philosophy behind it. It does make sense. My excessive reading days are mostly behind me. At least deep reading. Bad cervical discs and arthritic facet joints have made extensive reading somewhat painful. I have to be more selective.
I hear you. My body has taken a beating over the years. Try audio books - I don't read as much as I listen to audio books while driving so I don't waste the time.
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I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation.



Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation.
I'm not any of those things myself, but did you even bother to listen to the gibberish the trainer was spouting that he was going to do for his athlete? I've always considered you an intelligent poster, even if I don't like your attitude or your opions at times. Do you have to be certified in anything to listen to listen to that stuff and realize it's nonsense? This isn't leaches, or flat earth, c'mon man.
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I'm not any of those things myself, but did you even bother to listen to the gibberish the trainer was spouting that he was going to do for his athlete? I've always considered you an intelligent poster, even if I don't like your attitude or your opions at times. Do you have to be certified in anything to listen to listen to that stuff and realize it's nonsense? This isn't leaches, or flat earth, c'mon man.
Are you talking about the video with the judo girl? It sounded to me the trainer was pointing out some of the same things that Jordan Palmer has touted that cutting edge trainers are doing for some of the QB's that he works with on technique. Palmer just joined NFL Radio as a host a couple of weeks ago. He said these trainers are working with new drills to maximize initial force and fine tune force transference. He explained that a QB gets most of his power from a throw from his legs, not his arm. The more of the initial force that can be efficiently transferred to the fingertips the stronger the throw.

I can see how someone might see that as gibberish or nonsense.

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Are you talking about the video with the judo girl? It sounded to me the trainer was pointing out some of the same things that Jordan Palmer has touted that cutting edge trainers are doing for some of the QB's that he works with on technique. Palmer just joined NFL Radio as a host a couple of weeks ago. He said these trainers are working with new drills to maximize initial force and fine tune force transference. He explained that a QB gets most of his power from a throw from his legs, not his arm. The more of the initial force that can be efficiently transferred to the fingertips the stronger the throw.

I can see how someone might see that as gibberish or nonsense.
Read Starting Strength and other books by Coach Rippetoe and you will discover this is non-sense by the trainer and by Palmer. A very heavy and correctly done squat, deadlift, clean, and press will do more for power than bouncing balls on an athlete's head, etc. Lots of trainers seem to sell this non-sense so they can get paid. It is frustrating for me to see it.
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