Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet

AsylumGuido · 07-14-2020, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by JayFoster

Read: Peak by Dr. Anders Ericsson, Talent Is Overrated, Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe and a bunch more and it will explain in much better detail than I every could.

I can tell you that this training is non-sense that these trainers come up with so they can act like are actually doing something to sell the client.

Mike Boyles is another clueless guy that doesn't even know how to coach a squat properly but has been hired by all kinds of high-level athletes. I think he has now taken down his squat video from youtube because real coaches commented and pointed out how stupid it was. I do know he turned comments off on most of his videos now.

Here's another one for you that is non-sense (she is a Judo athlete): Speed and Power Workout for Judo With Olympian Angelica Delgado - YouTube

His comments are a bunch of non-sense gibberish along with a bunch of non-sense training.

I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation.

Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation.

JayFoster · 07-14-2020, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation.

Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation.

Read the books I listed from the experts who are better than me but I can tell you this gets you better at a circus job but not better at football. Lots of trainers make up this non-sense so they can get paid. Perhaps we could have him catch it with his mouth next time to really show us how it is done.

SaintGnome · 07-14-2020, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation.

Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation.

I'm not any of those things myself, but did you even bother to listen to the gibberish the trainer was spouting that he was going to do for his athlete? I've always considered you an intelligent poster, even if I don't like your attitude or your opions at times. Do you have to be certified in anything to listen to listen to that stuff and realize it's nonsense? This isn't leaches, or flat earth, c'mon man.

vpheughan · 07-15-2020, 06:10 AM

A typical contrarian trope takes the form, "everything you know about topic X is wrong". Sound Familiar?

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2020, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by JayFoster

Read the books I listed from the experts who are better than me but I can tell you this gets you better at a circus job but not better at football. Lots of trainers make up this non-sense so they can get paid. Perhaps we could have him catch it with his mouth next time to really show us how it is done.

I have no doubt that those books say what you are claiming. I was simply wondering why you have such an interest in training techniques. That's why I asked if you were a trainer or therapist. I wouldn't expect the average Joe out there to seek out books on those subjects or spend time checking out youtube videos and perusing the comments.

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2020, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

I'm not any of those things myself, but did you even bother to listen to the gibberish the trainer was spouting that he was going to do for his athlete? I've always considered you an intelligent poster, even if I don't like your attitude or your opions at times. Do you have to be certified in anything to listen to listen to that stuff and realize it's nonsense? This isn't leaches, or flat earth, c'mon man.

Are you talking about the video with the judo girl? It sounded to me the trainer was pointing out some of the same things that Jordan Palmer has touted that cutting edge trainers are doing for some of the QB's that he works with on technique. Palmer just joined NFL Radio as a host a couple of weeks ago. He said these trainers are working with new drills to maximize initial force and fine tune force transference. He explained that a QB gets most of his power from a throw from his legs, not his arm. The more of the initial force that can be efficiently transferred to the fingertips the stronger the throw.

I can see how someone might see that as gibberish or nonsense.

vpheughan · 07-15-2020, 08:10 AM

Jordan Palmer. (Either didn't listen to his trainers or couldn't be trained.)
TD–INT: 0–2
Passing yards: 66
Passer rating: 28.7

RaginCajun83 · 07-15-2020, 10:14 AM

This reminds me of all those stupid exercise routines Bush had when he was with the Saints. It all looks like nonsense to me

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2020, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Jordan Palmer. (Either didn't listen to his trainers or couldn't be trained.)
TD–INT: 0–2
Passing yards: 66
Passer rating: 28.7

He said that he doesn't have anywhere near the talent of some of these young QB's coming out now. One of the most highly regarded private pitching and QB coaches, Tom House, only won 29 games in his eight year career and saved only 33 games. He has worked with both Tom Brady and Drew Brees. It's not what you can do yourself that's important as a trainer, it's what you can do to help your client improve. Right?

vpheughan · 07-15-2020, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He said that he doesn't have anywhere near the talent of some of these young QB's coming out now. One of the most highly regarded private pitching and QB coaches, Tom House, only won 29 games in his eight year career and saved only 33 games. He has worked with both Tom Brady and Drew Brees. It's not what you can do yourself that's important as a trainer, it's what you can do to help your client improve. Right?

My point was the "Never Was" ex NFL Busts that expound the virtues of "cutting edge training" when they themselves couldn't be "trained".

As I stated, Jordan Palmer either didn't listen to his trainers or couldn't be trained to be a successful NFL QB.

I've seen trained seals on balance beam catch a ball and hold it on their nose. Didn't make them great running backs!

07-14-2020, 02:39 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by JayFoster Read: Peak by Dr. Anders Ericsson, Talent Is Overrated, Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe and a bunch more and it will explain in much better detail than I every could. I can tell you that this training is non-sense that these trainers come up with so they can act like are actually doing something to sell the client. Mike Boyles is another clueless guy that doesn't even know how to coach a squat properly but has been hired by all kinds of high-level athletes. I think he has now taken down his squat video from youtube because real coaches commented and pointed out how stupid it was. I do know he turned comments off on most of his videos now. Here's another one for you that is non-sense (she is a Judo athlete): Speed and Power Workout for Judo With Olympian Angelica Delgado - YouTube His comments are a bunch of non-sense gibberish along with a bunch of non-sense training. I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation. Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation.

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JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation. Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation. Read the books I listed from the experts who are better than me but I can tell you this gets you better at a circus job but not better at football. Lots of trainers make up this non-sense so they can get paid. Perhaps we could have him catch it with his mouth next time to really show us how it is done. SaintGnome likes this.
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SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation. Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation. I'm not any of those things myself, but did you even bother to listen to the gibberish the trainer was spouting that he was going to do for his athlete? I've always considered you an intelligent poster, even if I don't like your attitude or your opions at times. Do you have to be certified in anything to listen to listen to that stuff and realize it's nonsense? This isn't leaches, or flat earth, c'mon man.

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,515	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet A typical contrarian trope takes the form, "everything you know about topic X is wrong". Sound Familiar?
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by JayFoster Read the books I listed from the experts who are better than me but I can tell you this gets you better at a circus job but not better at football. Lots of trainers make up this non-sense so they can get paid. Perhaps we could have him catch it with his mouth next time to really show us how it is done. I have no doubt that those books say what you are claiming. I was simply wondering why you have such an interest in training techniques. That's why I asked if you were a trainer or therapist. I wouldn't expect the average Joe out there to seek out books on those subjects or spend time checking out youtube videos and perusing the comments.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by SaintGnome I'm not any of those things myself, but did you even bother to listen to the gibberish the trainer was spouting that he was going to do for his athlete? I've always considered you an intelligent poster, even if I don't like your attitude or your opions at times. Do you have to be certified in anything to listen to listen to that stuff and realize it's nonsense? This isn't leaches, or flat earth, c'mon man. Are you talking about the video with the judo girl? It sounded to me the trainer was pointing out some of the same things that Jordan Palmer has touted that cutting edge trainers are doing for some of the QB's that he works with on technique. Palmer just joined NFL Radio as a host a couple of weeks ago. He said these trainers are working with new drills to maximize initial force and fine tune force transference. He explained that a QB gets most of his power from a throw from his legs, not his arm. The more of the initial force that can be efficiently transferred to the fingertips the stronger the throw. I can see how someone might see that as gibberish or nonsense.
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,515	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Jordan Palmer. (Either didn't listen to his trainers or couldn't be trained.) TD–INT: 0–2 Passing yards: 66 Passer rating: 28.7
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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet This reminds me of all those stupid exercise routines Bush had when he was with the Saints. It all looks like nonsense to me

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by vpheughan Jordan Palmer. (Either didn't listen to his trainers or couldn't be trained.) TD–INT: 0–2 Passing yards: 66 Passer rating: 28.7 He said that he doesn't have anywhere near the talent of some of these young QB's coming out now. One of the most highly regarded private pitching and QB coaches, Tom House, only won 29 games in his eight year career and saved only 33 games. He has worked with both Tom Brady and Drew Brees. It's not what you can do yourself that's important as a trainer, it's what you can do to help your client improve. Right?

07-15-2020, 01:11 PM	#20
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,515	Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He said that he doesn't have anywhere near the talent of some of these young QB's coming out now. One of the most highly regarded private pitching and QB coaches, Tom House, only won 29 games in his eight year career and saved only 33 games. He has worked with both Tom Brady and Drew Brees. It's not what you can do yourself that's important as a trainer, it's what you can do to help your client improve. Right? My point was the "Never Was" ex NFL Busts that expound the virtues of "cutting edge training" when they themselves couldn't be "trained". As I stated, Jordan Palmer either didn't listen to his trainers or couldn't be trained to be a successful NFL QB. I've seen trained seals on balance beam catch a ball and hold it on their nose. Didn't make them great running backs!
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