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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by The Dude I still don’t see a whole season happening. Honestly football is hardly important right now. Either open everything back up or shut everything back down. Trying to find a happy medium isn’t working. I’m in ...

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Old 07-28-2020, 12:55 AM   #11
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I still don’t see a whole season happening. Honestly football is hardly important right now. Either open everything back up or shut everything back down. Trying to find a happy medium isn’t working. I’m in favor of opening everything back up like we should have when they the tried phase 1 experiment.
Our country has failed miserably as far as Covid is concerned.
You know, I didn't think that football was important until a friend committed suicide who I never would have expected to do something like that. The isolation is hard on people psychologically, and football is a much needed outlet for people. I will even go so far as to say that football would save several lives. I don't think the season is going to happen, but it would be great for collective morale if it did.
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Old 07-28-2020, 01:07 AM   #12
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Fresh thread every time someone get the feels about the season?
It's the most important thing in terms of football right now. We can talk about trades, depth charts, and rookies all we want, but if we never play it doesn't matter. Anytime something related, like 2 MLB getting cancelled, occurs that gives some predictive indication of how an NFL season would go, it is worthy of being discussed. The NFL will run into these same issues if it goes ahead with its season. Someone said in a earlier post that these games would be easy to replay, because MLB postpones games all the time. We're talking about a team being out for two weeks of games. When you have the playoffs scheduled and stuff, I don't see how you fit two weeks(which may be an underestimate) of just 4 teams games before the playoffs. If this happened in the NFL(the NFL has much larger rosters, players come into direct contact with other teams more) how are you going to play 2-3(probably 3) games before the playoffs? What if the team has another wave of infections and they need to play even more games. The logistics of playing the NFL season seem incredibly difficult and the MLB is giving us a clue of just how difficult its going to be. It doesn't appear as if the NFL is going to adopt a bubble format, so I don't see how the above scenarios of teams being out for weeks is avoidable.
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Old 07-28-2020, 07:50 AM   #13
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It's the most important thing in terms of football right now. We can talk about trades, depth charts, and rookies all we want, but if we never play it doesn't matter. Anytime something related, like 2 MLB getting cancelled, occurs that gives some predictive indication of how an NFL season would go, it is worthy of being discussed. The NFL will run into these same issues if it goes ahead with its season. Someone said in a earlier post that these games would be easy to replay, because MLB postpones games all the time. We're talking about a team being out for two weeks of games. When you have the playoffs scheduled and stuff, I don't see how you fit two weeks(which may be an underestimate) of just 4 teams games before the playoffs. If this happened in the NFL(the NFL has much larger rosters, players come into direct contact with other teams more) how are you going to play 2-3(probably 3) games before the playoffs? What if the team has another wave of infections and they need to play even more games. The logistics of playing the NFL season seem incredibly difficult and the MLB is giving us a clue of just how difficult its going to be. It doesn't appear as if the NFL is going to adopt a bubble format, so I don't see how the above scenarios of teams being out for weeks is avoidable.
The teams are not going to be out for two weeks. Only the infected players will be out until cleared. There are players available to fill out the lineup for the upcoming games. The same will be the case in the NFL, but they have the advantage of playing a game once a week instead of every day. There should be no need to cancel games. And don't expect any large breakouts like what happened with the Marlins. The NFL protocols are already planned to be far more stringent than the MLB. There is also going to be rapid testing (some as quick a turnaround as SEVEN MINUTES.)
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Old 07-28-2020, 07:58 AM   #14
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Our sports leagues have billions in resources and billions in incentives to play. Isolation. The quickest testing turn around being two days. Contact tracing. Yet, they still can't pull it off. It's been bungled from the start and we are still failing. Rich or poor. Black or white. Republican or Democrat. The virus does not care. Other countries have succeeded. They shut down. Stayed shut down. Tested. Contact traced. Listened to scientists. Weren't driven by politics and money. Vaccines are our only hope. There's no way we come together as a people.
The two day turnaround is for the public. Once the lab has the kit it can take as little as 30 minutes for them to have the result. The extra 47.5 hours of lag time involves getting the kit to the lab and then the results back to the patient through the submitting source. The NFL will have immediate access to the testing and results so the turnaround will a half hour or less. There are even "rapid" tests that gets the result in as short as seven minutes. Too expensive for the general public, but well worth the investment for the NFL. NOBODY gains access to anyone else until they have been cleared. Players will be isolated from outside contact for 24 hours before the game and tested the day before AND the day of the game.
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Old 07-28-2020, 08:37 AM   #15
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Hitta, the NFL has a number of huge advantages over all the other sports leagues.

1) The NFL has an almost bottomless pocketbook. It can easily afford daily and rapid testing. It can afford isolation housing prior to every game. Chartered transportation, etc.

2) The NFL has the latest start date. This has been touted as perhaps the biggest advantage. Not only can the NFL learn from other sports' successes, but more importantly from their mistakes. The Marlins had a breakdown in COVID protocols and that breakdown will be identified and most likely not repeated elsewhere.

3) The NFL schedule has its games spaced out a week apart, while other leagues play anywhere from three to seven games per week. On the rare occasions that players do need to be withheld it will be far easier to replace them come gameday.

4) The NFL has deeper rosters - both active and in reserve. It is much easier for the NFL to replace eight players testing positive during the week than any other league.
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Old 07-28-2020, 10:33 AM   #16
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Old 07-28-2020, 10:38 AM   #17
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The teams are not going to be out for two weeks. Only the infected players will be out until cleared. There are players available to fill out the lineup for the upcoming games. The same will be the case in the NFL, but they have the advantage of playing a game once a week instead of every day. There should be no need to cancel games. And don't expect any large breakouts like what happened with the Marlins. The NFL protocols are already planned to be far more stringent than the MLB. There is also going to be rapid testing (some as quick a turnaround as SEVEN MINUTES.)
How do you play games when over half your active roster has tested positive for coronavirus like the Marlins? Even if it was a smaller amount of players, there are logistical issues with playing games right after a pocket of players has tested positive or players that have tested positive have came in contact with other players on your team, one of them being that PCR tests actually have horrible accuracy. If a player gets through the testing and has a false negative due to that player having a low viral load in their upper respiratory system, then it leaves other players and teams vulnerable to suffering from waves of infection.
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How do you play games when over half your active roster has tested positive for coronavirus like the Marlins? Even if it was a smaller amount of players, there are logistical issues with playing games right after a pocket of players has tested positive or players that have tested positive have came in contact with other players on your team, one of them being that PCR tests actually have horrible accuracy. If a player gets through the testing and has a false negative due to that player having a low viral load in their upper respiratory system, then it leaves other players and teams vulnerable to suffering from waves of infection.
First of all, the Marlins ignored protocols and played players that had tested positive. By the way, I just heard that no one associated with the Phillies, the team they played, has tested positive. Had the Marlins followed protocols like the 29 other MLB teams they would not have had this issue. What you see with the Marlins is a totally botched outlier. And as it is there may only be two games postponed. I can't wait to hear all the details about the Marlins cases. How much you want to bet that nightclubs were involved?

But, once again, the NFL protocols are FAR more restrictive. All personnel are required to pass multiple tests prior to playing a game. They have to have two negatives before ever entering the facilities and will be tested daily for the first two weeks and every other day after that except for the day before a game and on gameday. You really can't compare the leagues with one playing every day and the other only once a week. It is going to be very difficult to have an outbreak of any sorts with the protocols being followed in the NFL. I know several people who have tested positive and every one of them either ignorantly ignored standard safety protocols or hung around others that did. If people are smart about it the chances of being infected or spreading the virus is close to nil.
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Old 07-28-2020, 12:04 PM   #19
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But then, some people tend to expect the very worst and I tend to expect the very best. Many people here were saying a couple of months ago that there was no way a season could even be attempted or that a training camp was even possible.
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Old 07-28-2020, 04:20 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by hitta View Post
You know, I didn't think that football was important until a friend committed suicide who I never would have expected to do something like that. The isolation is hard on people psychologically, and football is a much needed outlet for people. I will even go so far as to say that football would save several lives. I don't think the season is going to happen, but it would be great for collective morale if it did.
I do agree, look no further than Katrina. The difference here is that we are dealing with a contagious virus where crowds could wind up causing more isolation in the long run. Don’t get me wrong, I want the season to go on but I just don’t see it without some sort of disruption.
Sorry to hear about your friend.
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